Anyone else eagerly awaiting the much rumoured XT700s arrival? I hear its likely to be shown at Intermot alongside a number of other new yams. I've got the nextbike itch and feel its time to move on from my now 5year old S10 and the XT700 will most likely be on the shortlist of possible candidates (of 1 reading the rest of my post!). I must say what a fine steed the S10 has been with minimal issues and those I've had are more due to our damp cold climate rather than S10 specific , but I don't feel the new '14 S10 is enough of a change (for me) . Others I'd have thought maybe could be on the list are what Yam do with the MT-09 triple engine though recent rumours suggest a more road focus bike (ala old TDM?) or Hondas much rumoured Africa Twin replacement but this seems to be year or so off and could be another Honda missed the target if recent other efforts are anything to go be (again IMO) . I also thought about KTMs either a late 990 or new 690 or 1190 but the often discussed beta testing all ktm owners do for the factory is a major downside and new models seem worse than older ones so not something that appears to be being resolved.
XT700 ?
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I reckon it makes sense to go with:
1200 - for those that must have a 1200, for two up touring I would not want anything less
900 - The sports-tourer concept in the mould of the TDM looks brilliant to me, I really like the look of the Aprillia Caponord, and the Yamaha MT-09 could easily challenge that bike and the Crosstourer at a much lower price point, and for anyone who does not want to go offroad it should be perfect.
700 - It makes sense to have this as a more off-road capable machine, I think many folks skip the 660 because although fine off-road it maybe has not got long enough legs for lots of Tarmac touring, the "competition" in the guise of the V-Strom / Verysy are too road orientated, fine for the odd gravel track, but not really off-road. I think this bike could fill a void in the market, the only other bikes to compete here would be the BMW 700 / 800 and they are a million miles away on price.
660 - It also leaves Yamaha the option to make the 660 even more off-road focused, like a modern DR400.
I would be real keen to get the 700 if it comes out as I hope, it could give me the perfect commuter / green lane bike in one - I would keep the 1200 for longer trips though.
1200 - for those that must have a 1200, for two up touring I would not want anything less
900 - The sports-tourer concept in the mould of the TDM looks brilliant to me, I really like the look of the Aprillia Caponord, and the Yamaha MT-09 could easily challenge that bike and the Crosstourer at a much lower price point, and for anyone who does not want to go offroad it should be perfect.
700 - It makes sense to have this as a more off-road capable machine, I think many folks skip the 660 because although fine off-road it maybe has not got long enough legs for lots of Tarmac touring, the "competition" in the guise of the V-Strom / Verysy are too road orientated, fine for the odd gravel track, but not really off-road. I think this bike could fill a void in the market, the only other bikes to compete here would be the BMW 700 / 800 and they are a million miles away on price.
660 - It also leaves Yamaha the option to make the 660 even more off-road focused, like a modern DR400.
I would be real keen to get the 700 if it comes out as I hope, it could give me the perfect commuter / green lane bike in one - I would keep the 1200 for longer trips though.
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greg the pole
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If it shows up, I'll have a look at it, for sure.
Having logged some miles on a FZ09, and selling it on, I think the new FJ09 (Yamaha trade marked the namein NA, might be called a TDM IN EU) will be a good small sports tourer
IF, IF the 700 gets done up in a smaller tenere (likely) it would need to be light, simple, and cheap, to sell well. Give us a 21/18 rim combo, switchable ABS, and 400 lb (-/+30 LB) wet weight. The 700 twin is not ride by wire, so no need to complicate things with tc and such.
Like most here, I would keep the 1200. Great distance bike, and excellent in the dirt. Besides, what sort of money would I be able to get from a well used 3 yr old tenere pushing 50 km...that my excuse to the wife I'm preparing anyways...
Having logged some miles on a FZ09, and selling it on, I think the new FJ09 (Yamaha trade marked the namein NA, might be called a TDM IN EU) will be a good small sports tourer
IF, IF the 700 gets done up in a smaller tenere (likely) it would need to be light, simple, and cheap, to sell well. Give us a 21/18 rim combo, switchable ABS, and 400 lb (-/+30 LB) wet weight. The 700 twin is not ride by wire, so no need to complicate things with tc and such.
Like most here, I would keep the 1200. Great distance bike, and excellent in the dirt. Besides, what sort of money would I be able to get from a well used 3 yr old tenere pushing 50 km...that my excuse to the wife I'm preparing anyways...
I find having an older commuter bike (2005 V-Strom 650) pretty much pays for itself, I have been clocking up over 6k a year on the S10 as it is, if I put another 10k+ on it the value would plummet quite quickly, probably another £500+ per year over 3 years is more than my V-Strom is worth - plus it uses 20% less fuel and tyres last about 30% longer, services are cheaper etc.greg the pole said:Besides, what sort of money would I be able to get from a well used 3 yr old tenere pushing 50 km...that my excuse to the wife I'm preparing anyways...
Also means getting the S10 out remains a bit special, I find commuting on your pride and joy means you do not appreciate it as much when the weekend comes, or worse just cannot be bothered to go out on it.
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That would be unfortunate and probably kill the idea for me. I would love to get my wife a more appropriately sized bike. But she is totally addicted to having TC and all the other bells and whistles of the 1200. Doesn't matter if she's never used them, she totaled a bike a few years ago and feels better knowing she has every advantage possible. I'm not going to argue it with her. Until the features make it to a smaller bike, she won't let me switch her. Thankfully she handles the big bike just fine 99.42% of the time.greg the pole said:
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I have been turning off the TC off road lately, and only using tc2 in the morning (when I'm not quite awake), in the rain, and greasy conditions...and that's about it.
The 700 will have a lot less grunt, so TC would be a waste Switchable ABS, now that would be tasty.
The 700 will have a lot less grunt, so TC would be a waste Switchable ABS, now that would be tasty.
Agree ::008::greg the pole said:
I hope Yamaha don't read opinions such the 700 must have TC, shaft drive, cruise control, etc. ::010::
I would like a real dual bike, not a SUV.
It must be a simple and relliable bike with the less electronic possible, good suspensions and components, 21" and 18" wheels (good rims please!), 23 or 25 litres tank, 80 to 90 HP.... and very important: please build a light bike for once!!
Here my opinion for the Yamaha range: http://traildreamer.com/empieza-a-sonar-la-xt700z-tenere/
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The MT07/09's have been a great success for Yamaha, after several years in the doldrums.
An XT version will be welcome, as long as the price point is kept sensible & the seat height manageable for the average rider. However it will not be a fully fledged junior S10 as I understand it - rather a practical bike that leaves it's rider maybe aspiring to an S10 next time.
We all know XT1200 sales need a lift - it's a great bike & with the 2014 changes, well capable of living with the competition. Unfortunately it got cast in the 'boring but capable' mould early on &, despite Nick Sanders efforts, has been slow to shake off this reputation. I guess that's the trouble with subtle improvements - them that know appreciate the effort; them that don't know continue to ignore the product. I'm just not sure a junior XT will promote the 1200 enough - Yamaha really need to re-think their strategy. It doesn't serve them well when there are still too many 2013 pre-reg S10s sitting around in the dealer network (UK) - these really need to be cleared asap.
I think Yamaha was too conservative with the S10 restiling.Squibb said:
One week ago I was 6 days in the Alps. I saw thousands of bikes, 90% BMW GS, hundreds of them are the new liquid cooled, it seems as if BMW gift they GS (only the GS).
I saw quite a lot KTM1190 and only ONE S10!!. You know I really like the S10 but they need to do something more than a simple restiling and electronic suspension to increase the sales.
I hope that with the MT09 / 07 Yamaha realice that a more radical bike can be a succes and apply this to the XT range. A more "ready to fun" bike with the Yamaha legendary relliability can be very desirable (almost to me) ::008::
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I don't give a Damn thing about the sales, as long it's enough to keep them in the business.
What we need is basically your little Tenere with a punchy twin. No more, no less.JaimeV said:
Coud be but I'm not 100% sure.cosmic said:
With a twin the bike it is going to be heavier... mine is now 199kgs full loaded and 57HP, enough to have fun and ride lots of miles on/off road without loose any relliability.
Well see...
I don't think it would be heavier? The MT-07 is 180kg full of fuel, maybe a bit heavier for an XT version but even if it ends up the same weight as your Tenere, but with 75hp - should be pretty cool?
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At <195kg wet & 75-80 hp twin, i'm ready to trade immediately. ::26::JaimeV said:
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Yep that is what I want ::015::
greg the pole
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I honestly don't think I would rush out and trade.
Several local guys have jumped on the 2014 ES/standard 2014 Tenere.
Mine is set up for me, I have a manual CCT going in, ECU flash, and may entertain a clutch basket swap.
It's perfect for what I do.
The little Twin would be excellent as well, but would not fare as well on the open road (loaded down)
I'm leaving on a week long trip to BC, and North Vancouver island. The tenere is still plenty capable on the tricky stuff (go slow), and gobbles up pavement like there's no tomorrow.
There's never any issues covering between 3-4 thousand km in 5 days on this bike of mixed terrain.
Yes the FZ09 was a hit, but I think they could have done better. The ecu was the shits, and the stock suspension sucked....yes yes for the money is was great. But I was still $9 grand all in after the proper mods, and that's after stealing it from the dealer. I've moved on, will test drive a FZ07 this Saturday to see how the motor is, but from what I'm hearing, it's a treat.
I do hope they bring it in, I'm not drinking the bmw kool aid. ::022::
Several local guys have jumped on the 2014 ES/standard 2014 Tenere.
Mine is set up for me, I have a manual CCT going in, ECU flash, and may entertain a clutch basket swap.
It's perfect for what I do.
The little Twin would be excellent as well, but would not fare as well on the open road (loaded down)
I'm leaving on a week long trip to BC, and North Vancouver island. The tenere is still plenty capable on the tricky stuff (go slow), and gobbles up pavement like there's no tomorrow.
There's never any issues covering between 3-4 thousand km in 5 days on this bike of mixed terrain.
Yes the FZ09 was a hit, but I think they could have done better. The ecu was the shits, and the stock suspension sucked....yes yes for the money is was great. But I was still $9 grand all in after the proper mods, and that's after stealing it from the dealer. I've moved on, will test drive a FZ07 this Saturday to see how the motor is, but from what I'm hearing, it's a treat.
I do hope they bring it in, I'm not drinking the bmw kool aid. ::022::
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Test rode the FZ-07 twice... boring in comparison. Test rode the FZ-09 twice... very fun. Test rode the ES three times... really liked it every time.
If its the same weight it would be great, but Yamaha unfortunatelly build heavy bikes.dcstrom said:
The MT07 is really minimalist, for a XT versions they must add big spoke wheels, long suspensions, strong rear frame to carry luggage, etc.... I would like to be wrong but it will be as a GS800: 210kb minimum, not bad but 20kg more than I woul like.
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the more I think about it the more I'm tempted to pick up a slightly beat up cbr 929, strip it, and turn it into a street fighter for a quarter of the cost of the fz07tomatocity said: