Xenon HID Lights

Noryb

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oh wow thanks for all e valuable inputs..!! am thinking of installing a pair of HID head lights and a pair of HID fog/sport lights.. intending to use this brand called Vision from korea.. have been using them on my subaru, mitsubishi, gilera, and vespa.. in total have bern using them for more than 10 yrs now.. v reliable.. the hella sounds like a good bet so will try it out.. hope to get some picts to show soon :)
 

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I had some H7-HID kits leftover from my Ulysses, sourced from DDM Tuning. I installed these & a pair of 2 1/2" LED driving lights.
Install was relatively straightforward. Lots of hiding places for the ballasts. Haven't taken any night shots to see distance but daylight visibility is amazing!!! A lot whiter than the stock halogens and with the motorized high-beam updating both lights with the HID's was a no brainier. Really pleased with the results. Only issue so far (15000km) has been an intermittent connection problem with the rh light. will fix that in spring after bike is back home (sleeping in the warmth 4500km away from me :'()
 

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phplemel said:
I had some H7-HID kits leftover from my Ulysses, sourced from DDM Tuning. I installed these & a pair of 2 1/2" LED driving lights.
Install was relatively straightforward. Lots of hiding places for the ballasts. Haven't taken any night shots to see distance but daylight visibility is amazing!!! A lot whiter than the stock halogens and with the motorized high-beam updating both lights with the HID's was a no brainier. Really pleased with the results. Only issue so far (15000km) has been an intermittent connection problem with the rh light. will fix that in spring after bike is back home (sleeping in the warmth 4500km away from me :'()
I fitted a HID xenon (Chinese brand since I'm over here) setup to my Jetmax maxi scoot http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=607278 and 2007 Dragstar Classic 1100, and have had a few issues: i.e. spread of the light pattern which is more relative to the headlight reflector(s), plus issues of beam 'cutoff' and dark spots, then the issue of having to adjust and lower the headlight(s) vertically. The lights I have are the type that have a single filament that toggles up/down rather than a motorised housing cover altering the light pattern for high/low beam.

I too also have had problems with the Jetmax twin headlights experiencing the odd intermittent occurrence where one or other of the lights not working. At first it would happen on just odd occasions then with increasing frequency. Took it back to the motorcycle 'work shop' where the lights had been purchased and fitted. Tried a few things, swapped out this and that, 'mechanic' thought it was this or the other. Seemed to correct it, which would last several weeks or so, then the problem would return. Same thing... back and forth. This got old real quick since the 'fix' would work ok for a week or two then same problem.

After the third of fourth visit, I did some trial and error isolation of the fault myself, and found that it was the fuse that is the fuse-able link for the hot wire which keeps power for the passing switch on the handlebar which has to connect to the battery. The female connectors inside the little plastic fuse housing had worked loose so that the fuse was not always touching enough to form the circuit. Added to that the male connectors of the spade type fuse were oxidised and this only added to the problem. Simply used emery paper to remove the oxidised surface and applied some crimping force to the internal connectors within the little fuse holder and have not had any problems since for 3-4 months. The Dragstar though has developed its own problem after a year of use with the same HID since I first installed it. It has worked fine for a year without issue but the last 8 or so months... where the light wont turn on after engine startuo using the light switch. But if I flick the light to highbeam and then apply the passing switch, the light comes on and releasing the passing switch, the headlight will stay on. I can then switch to low beam and most of the time the headlight remains on. If I have had the light on for more then several hours though, the headlight will not stay on when I use the method above and then switch to low beam - this results in the light switching off. After a longer period, then the light won't stay on at all no matter using high or low beam. The passing switch works though so I have made a little cable tie solution until I get around to either checking all wiring, adding a relay which I don't think should be needed now since it worked fine for a year before the fault developed. Or go back to the halogen bulb, which I like in some ways as it gives a wider pattern and more defined cutoff to the light pattern.

One lesson is that the majority of Chinese made HID's are crap, they are so cheap here. It is a real problem though finding high end or foreign HID systems especially for motorcycles in China, which are considered utilitarian vehicles. Can't find any HID lights even manufactured by Joint Venture manufacturers (e.g. Hella) for motorcycles... all the ones for car applications come with integrated wiring and cost crazy money here.

OK, back to the topic at hand.. HID for the S10.
 

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bikerdoc said:
One lesson is that the majority of Chinese made HID's are crap, they are so cheap here. It is a real problem though finding high end or foreign HID systems especially for motorcycles in China, which are considered utilitarian vehicles. Can't find any HID lights even manufactured by Joint Venture manufacturers (e.g. Hella) for motorcycles... all the ones for car applications come with integrated wiring and cost crazy money here.

OK, back to the topic at hand.. HID for the S10.
Yeah, headlights aren't something I want failing during one of my nightime returns from a ride. The weather around here adds to that conviction.
The kits aren't cheap here in Japan, but the consensus is that you get what you pay for (over here, at least). As I posted earlier, the Chinese knock-offs used to have some shelf space, but there were too many failures happening in comparision with the $$$ models, so most all of them were yanked from the shelves. Most of what you see now are PIAA and the other major brand name escapes me right now.
 

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Well, I tried...

But, the bulbs fit and I found a couple good spots for the ballast on the right site.

However, I couldn't see how to do this without compromising the waterproof headlight housing. There is a grommet in the upper center of the back of the housing where the existing wires to the headlights go. You need to put 8 additional wires through that which would not be very easy or drill hole(s) in the housing to run those additional wires and add grommets or silicone to seal them up.

Now, inside the housing you need to connect some spade connectors to the oem bulb connectors. I had a problem with this as vibration could cause them to come loose and possibly short out so you'd have to either zip-tie them so there's little or no movement or cut that off and add more secure connectors like posi-taps.

It's really a shame because the light output was very nice.

It would be nice if those that have added these could share the wiring details. If I get brave I my tackle it again in the future.
 

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Mellow said:
However, I couldn't see how to do this without compromising the waterproof headlight housing. There is a grommet in the upper center of the back of the housing where the existing wires to the headlights go. You need to put 8 additional wires through that which would not be very easy or drill hole(s) in the housing to run those additional wires and add grommets or silicone to seal them up.
Drilling is exactly what I did when I put an HID in the Tiger. 1" hole saw was what was needed to fit the grommet that came with the HID kit. What may be the big difference here is that the hole on the Tiger was on the BOTTOM of the housing, not the center back, so water really can't get in at all.

Can you go out the bottom of the housing instead of the back?
 

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Venture said:
Drilling is exactly what I did when I put an HID in the Tiger. 1" hole saw was what was needed to fit the grommet that came with the HID kit. What may be the big difference here is that the hole on the Tiger was on the BOTTOM of the housing, not the center back, so water really can't get in at all.

Can you go out the bottom of the housing instead of the back?
Actually, you could go out the sides or the bottom corners. There's something in the bottom that may be the relay or high beam activator for lack of other words and since I don't know what it is... You could cut a 1/2 inch hold for the 4 additional wires to go out from the inner or outer sides then silicone the hole/wires. The outer side would probably work better.
 

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I haven't taken the plastic housing cover off of the light bulb so I don't know what it looks like exactly, but this is how I did it on the BMW before I sold it. It was a very easy install. I did not put them both on the BMW, only put it in the low beam position because it takes a moment for the bulb to come to full light, and so hitting the highs on and off with a delay can be a bit annoying. However, I understand that on the Yamaha, the high beam is controlled with a shutter, so I suspect that both HID's could be put in there. Can anyone tell me if the plastic housing looks like the BMW housing?

http://www.jimvonbaden.com/R1200GS_HID_Install.html
 

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hojo in sc said:
I haven't taken the plastic housing cover off of the light bulb so I don't know what it looks like exactly, but this is how I did it on the BMW before I sold it. It was a very easy install. I did not put them both on the BMW, only put it in the low beam position because it takes a moment for the bulb to come to full light, and so hitting the highs on and off with a delay can be a bit annoying. However, I understand that on the Yamaha, the high beam is controlled with a shutter, so I suspect that both HID's could be put in there. Can anyone tell me if the plastic housing looks like the BMW housing?

http://www.jimvonbaden.com/R1200GS_HID_Install.html
Great pics thanks... yes, you should be able to cut a hole in the back covers and do it the same way.
 

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Mellow said:
Great pics thanks... yes, you should be able to cut a hole in the back covers and do it the same way.
I just finished it, the hole was 30.5 mm on the housing and it works great, now just need the sun to go down and not be on call for work. I think I will need to lower the lamp a bit. I only did the right side as I only had one bulb left over from the GSA and if I like as much as I did on the GSA, I will put another one in.
 

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I just installed the Touratech fog and HID combo on my bike. All I can say is WOW!~

The Touratech stuff is not cheap by any means, but it also fit perfectly and the quality is top notch. I used an FZ-1 fuzeblock in my install which made the fog install a lot simpler (no realy needed). I also used the FZ-1 for the HID but kept the relay so that I could use the high beam switch as the drawing showed.

They look and work great! I am installing the OEM heated grips this weekend, so I will try to remember to take pics and post of what my right side panel looks like now.

--Rob
 

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Omaha Tenere said:
I just installed the Touratech fog and HID combo on my bike. All I can say is WOW!~

The Touratech stuff is not cheap by any means, but it also fit perfectly and the quality is top notch. I used an FZ-1 fuzeblock in my install which made the fog install a lot simpler (no realy needed). I also used the FZ-1 for the HID but kept the relay so that I could use the high beam switch as the drawing showed.

They look and work great! I am installing the OEM heated grips this weekend, so I will try to remember to take pics and post of what my right side panel looks like now.

--Rob
Congrat's, and thanks for the impression! I was wondering about the fog light specifically. Since it is mouted on just one side, does the front wheel cast a shodow on the opposite side? Thanks!
 

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I'm really happy to see you guys not jumping on the HID kit koolaid bandwagon. HID and LED retrofits have been an interest of mine for years, so it's a bit dear to my heart (although I'm out of the loop these days on what parts people are using, and I went with higher-output halogen bulbs in my own vehicle).

I did, however, just order a new headlight housing, I want to see if it's possible to get a different bi-xenon projector in there, or play around with the existing projector to see if a decent beam can be made with an adapter. (I had good experience with H7-to-D2S adapters in the past, as long as the point where the light is created is the same)

I'll keep everyone informed ::008::
 

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Admittedly, the S10 has WONDERFUL projector beam headlights. HID kit in a Civic or any other reflector headlight is a whole other story. A kit is fine in this case as long as the bulb is located within the projector properly.
 
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