PhilPhilippines
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Will you take the vaccine
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Every single one of us has an issue that could take us totally on a tangent. A couple of my best buds are black and my daughter lives in the heart of a very black US city (Freddie Gray in Baltimore kicked off the US riots) so I'm with you on racism being very real, very wrong, and continuing. But as far as being able to ignite never ending no-win subjects, racism is right in there with religion (abortion for example), politics, LGBQT, and conspiracies.
So we are going to keep this thread at least somewhat sorta on the COVID/vaccine topic.
You've previously used questions to convey your gun ownership beliefs clearly but as explained in the first post of the gun thread, threads about Second Amendment also quickly go off into the same no-win weeds of debate. There are plenty of other places to talk about the politics so that thread is for discussion of the hardware.
WJBertrand
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The article below shows the difference in vaccination rates between the US and the EU. The data tend to support that the better distribution of vaccines in the US is associated with the continuing downward trend in cases in the US vs. Europe. If the vaccine was causing increasing cases (a preposterous claim or a transparent troll) those curves would be reversed between the US and Europe. Just the facts Mam...Huh ???
That's pretty opposite of what the facts say. Stores and events around here are starting to open up nicely as a result too.
Why America Is Beating Europe on Vaccination
Last summer, France’s pandemic response seemed far more competent than America’s. In the vaccine stage, everything looks different.
www.theatlantic.com
PhilPhilippines
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I answered this little nugget:
".....Black people now find an immense sense of identity and common purpose in their revived hatred of white people and colonial history, women similarly in their hatred of men in terms of inequality and violence (even though reasonable steps have been taken to address the grievances of both minority tribes)......." Either you missed it or it is an acceptable
I do not know of any black person in my circle of friends that has a "revived hatred of white people" and I know hundreds of black people.
Maybe have a word with Pooh regarding the above and get him to smear less. I took offense to his blanket statement.
Boris
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Just trying to understand the situation. Racism was far more open and blatant in the 70s than it is today, were the schools in question that arrogant and disgraceful in their attitude? Was it perceived that, that was the reason for not being accepted?
I went to a catholic school in the 70s, in London. Our school was certainly multicultural. Of course, that doesn’t in any way mean that all schools were like that.
PhilPhilippines
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This was on the outskirts of London Boris. A very kind-hearted Irish priest took her in for that year. He looked after problematic children but petitioned hard for her to be accepted into the 2nd (12 year old) secondary school year.
She was the first black student in the school and her brother was the second a year later. She had a great love for the priest and his efforts and spoke very highly of him.
Back on topic, my lady got the J&J "one and done" shot yesterday and it's knocked her down for a good full day. She's been on a steady stream of aspirin and that has seemed to help but it was a long rough night.
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ballisticexchris
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Right on Bob. I had no idea they already had a single shot Vaccine. My wife was wiped out from just the first one for a full 24 hours. Just a few days before she had a TB, Iron infusion, and Hepatitis A and B vaccines.
I can't stand the crappy political crap that is dragging this out. But I will tell you I am so very grateful for the doctors and scientists that are working hard to get a handle on this COVID crap. Big Pharma or not, think of the thousands of man hours and educated minds coming together to knock this shit out. I truly belief the worlds top scientists are doing everything humanly possible for a solution to prevent the spread of this virus.
And even in this little world of our Super Tenere forum almost all of us are serious enough (regardless of political affiliation) to have the sense to get vaccinated. We're all are smart enough to know it's not 100% effective. But if my vaccine preserves a few lives around me I'm more than happy to have gotten it.
I'm as comfortable with my decision to prevent spreading COVID as those that are thumbing their nose and not caring about getting it or spreading it.
Cycledude
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Wow hard to believe you could be unaware there was a single shot Covid-19 shot available, where have you been ?
Around here you have to wait at least 15 days after receiving any other vaccine before you can get a Covid-19 shot.
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ballisticexchris
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I just did not know. They don't have the single shots in my community as far as I know. Davita Kidney Center did all the coordinating and distributing vaccines for my wife right at the facility. Carol, myself and her mother are all on track to get our second dose in the upcoming weeks.
I will tell you it was a battle to get mine. I would still be waiting if it was not for me being a caregiver.
Like Cycledude said.
You are not to get a Covid-19 vaccine with in two weeks of any other vaccine.
Might be why she had a strong reaction, might not. Hope all goes well for her .
You are not to get a Covid-19 vaccine with in two weeks of any other vaccine.
Might be why she had a strong reaction, might not. Hope all goes well for her .
I think that was directed at me for Karen. She hadn't had anything else for a long time, yesterday was back at work, and today is fine.
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Yea I got you and Chris mixed up, somehow I combined you guys. Senior moment. Still happy she is feeling better .
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ballisticexchris
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It's cool and I double checked with Davita nurse at our in office visit today. All good getting other vaccines in conjunction with the COVID vaccine. There are only a few flu vaccines that have a waiting period.
Also found out the reason we are not getting the Johnson & Johnson single dose is our health providers feel that the 2 dose vaccines are more effective. How true this is? Who knows? Depends if you believe the FDA or independent scientific proof. I'm of the opinion that any of these vaccines are better than none at all.
Both my wife and I have really good doctors we have built up a trusting relationship with over the years and are letting them guide us on what is our best plan for prevention. So far it has worked out great. FWIW all of our health care providers are getting the 2 dose treatment.
WJBertrand
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Well I think the FDA and the independent board of scientists are in agreement about this, so no need to believe one or the other. J&J dose showed lower efficacy than the the 2-dose choices, but I agree anything is better than nothing and I would take whatever was available.
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Please keep in mind on the effectiveness of each vaccine, each study was done at a different time in the Covid pandemic, at widely different locations, and with different variants on the loose when the study was done. From a scientific point of view, we won't know how they compare to each other until and IF they are all tested in the same study, at the same time and location.
What we do know from the individual studies is that ALL of them greatly diminish the severe effects of all of the covid variants.
What we do know from the individual studies is that ALL of them greatly diminish the severe effects of all of the covid variants.
Cycledude
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On the news tonight anyone 16 years or older in Wisconsin will be eligible for Covid-19 vaccine starting Monday .
Tenman
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The yes votes keep going down. WTH
Cycledude
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actually the yes votes keep going up slowly, and so do the “maybe later” votes.
I have had both shots with only a sore shoulder as a side effect. I only wish the nay sayers would go ahead and get the shots. I'm getting very tired of picking up some girl at the bar with pretty eyes just to find out later when she takes her mask off that her mustache is thicker than mine.
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