Will you take the vaccine

[MattR]

Vaccines don’t kill anything, they’re not like an antibiotic or anything. They program your immune system to kill the virus.

I personally think this talk about masks forever is BS. If the vaccine stops the virus replicating (whatever the mechanism) it will die off. If the virus is still multiplying in a person that’s the definition of an infection. Also keep in mind there are several different vaccines coming, some of them using the established killed/attenuated whole virus technology. These will be later because they have figure out how to grow mass amounts of virus in a lab and then work out a kill/attenuation process that leaves the antigenic part of the virus intact, while making sure it cannot cause an infection. There’s always a small risk of this with that traditional approach. These mRNA vaccines can be synthesized in a lab. No need to grow the virus, that’s a prime reason they’ve appeared so quickly.


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The Oxford vax (which is of this type) will be ready by New Year apparently. The doses are already made and ready to roll once approved


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[Tenman]

Sure seems to be a few doomsdayers here.

 

[thughes317]

Sure seems to be a few doomsdayers here.

Nah...just in a funk today. Tomorrow is another day!

 

[RIVA]

 

[HeliMark]

TL;DNR version: The vaccine stops you from getting symptoms but does not appear to prevent you from getting the disease and transmitting it to others asymptomatically......so ya gotta continue to wear mask, social distance, and stay locked down even after everybody gets vaccinated.

Looking at the information that is coming out on effectiveness, which is fantastic, what I find interesting is of the people in the study that still got Covid after the second shot, and at least seven days afterwards. Only one got it with the Pfizer study and that was termed a severe case (person had a 93% oxygen saturation), with that person refusing to go to the hospital. The Moderna study has resulted in eleven getting Covid (of the ones vaccinated), with none of them meeting the criteria of being severe. No deaths were mentioned of the people that received the vaccine.

So this brings up the question (opinion), on when people do not have to wear a mask and social distance. At what point will that be? Will it be 70%, 100% vaccinated? Do I have to keep wearing a mask beyond that point because someone else doesn't believe in the vaccine, and I need to protect him/her?

My opinion, is somewhere around 70-80%, no mask. If someone doesn't believe in getting the vaccine, then they can live with the possible ramifications. Of course I am healthy 59 year old retired guy, and everything is pointing out I will be one of the last to get the vaccine (not agreeing with some groups ahead of me, but that would fill three pages of ****).



Sources were CNN article (facts to difficult for them to twist), and the FDA briefing document. Pfizer has 38K people, and Moderna has 30K people in the study, with approximately half on both receiving the vaccine. FDA document did not have the outcome of the one infected on the Pfizer study.

 

[MattR]

My take is that if the vaccine stops transmission (they don’t know yet) then only those who have not had the vax will need to wear a mask


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[WJBertrand]

It takes a couple of weeks after the second dose to develop full immunity, even at 95% efficacy, there’s still that 5%, and that two-week or so period of remaining vulnerability. An occasional infection in spite of being vaccinated should not be too surprising.


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[HeliMark]

It takes a couple of weeks after the second dose to develop full immunity, even at 95% efficacy, there’s still that 5%, and that two-week or so period of remaining vulnerability. An occasional infection in spite of being vaccinated should not be too surprising.


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According to the charts, after the first shot, there is no difference in protection than the placebo for approximately 14 days. After that, you do have some protection (pg 30 of document). The 95% efficacy is based off 7 days after the second shot.

https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download

 

[AVGeek]

Someone mentioned mental health earlier...I will admit its been a very trying year, and I know it has had a toll on me. Between losing my career and my father this year, I am so ready for this temporary reality to pass. The biggest challenge will be how many people don't take the vaccine, and how that will affect containment measures going forward. Until a majority of people on the planet are immune to the virus, it will continue to disrupt our lives.

 

[Sierra1]

Hate to be a negative Nancy, but, I can't help thinking that if it happened once . . . . even if it was an accident. . . .

 

[gunslinger_006]

Someone mentioned mental health earlier...I will admit its been a very trying year, and I know it has had a toll on me. Between losing my career and my father this year, I am so ready for this temporary reality to pass. The biggest challenge will be how many people don't take the vaccine, and how that will affect containment measures going forward. Until a majority of people on the planet are immune to the virus, it will continue to disrupt our lives.

Lost my father not that long ago. Fuck cancer.

Sorry to hear you lost yours too. Its a special pain, losing your father.


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[Checkswrecks]

Only 12 days left in 2020

Things won't change overnight, but things are already looking up and just the number on the calendar is going to be an improvement.

 

[ballisticexchris]

Someone mentioned mental health earlier...I will admit its been a very trying year, and I know it has had a toll on me. Between losing my career and my father this year, I am so ready for this temporary reality to pass. The biggest challenge will be how many people don't take the vaccine, and how that will affect containment measures going forward. Until a majority of people on the planet are immune to the virus, it will continue to disrupt our lives.

It has been trying for me as well. Not much different circumstances than yours Sir. My uncle who happens to live in my parents house in Boulder City NV, Is in very poor health right now. I'm torn up wanting to come out and visit.

This Christmas I will not be having dinner or celebrating with my parents and brother/sister. I'll instead drop off a Rhubarb pie and say my wishes through a screen masked up and distanced. Today or tomorrow I'll be dropping off my yearly flowers to my aunt leaving them on the porch. I'm not very happy at all with my cousins. They had a huge spread with, sons, nephews, grandkids and great grandkids from out of state over for Thanksgiving.

 

[gunslinger_006]

It has been trying for me as well. Not much different circumstances than yours Sir. My uncle who happens to live in my parents house in Boulder City NV, Is in very poor health right now. I'm torn up wanting to come out and visit.

This Christmas I will not be having dinner or celebrating with my parents and brother/sister. I'll instead drop off a Rhubarb pie and say my wishes through a screen masked up and distanced. Today or tomorrow I'll be dropping off my yearly flowers to my aunt leaving them on the porch. I'm not very happy at all with my cousins. They had a huge spread with, sons, nephews, grandkids and great grandkids from out of state over for Thanksgiving.

Us too.

We are dropping off some food we will prep/cook like heart surgeons. Then its video chat only.

We are of course, heartbroken.


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[Sierra1]

. . . . They had a huge spread with, sons, nephews, grandkids and great grandkids from out of state over for Thanksgiving.

Nobody caught the bug? Kinda hard to yell at them if they took precautions. I've heard about families that are doing the 14 day quarantine thing prior to a family event. Sounds good on paper, not sure how it works in the practical application. We're trying to figure how we're going to do it when Spartacus arrives. Can't be at the hospital, but we don't want to risk the little booger when he gets home either.

 

[ballisticexchris]

Nobody caught the bug? Kinda hard to yell at them if they took precautions. I've heard about families that are doing the 14 day quarantine thing prior to a family event. Sounds good on paper, not sure how it works in the practical application. We're trying to figure how we're going to do it when Spartacus arrives. Can't be at the hospital, but we don't want to risk the little booger when he gets home either.

I did not say anything to them. They are the kind of people that don't take precautions. I know some of the cousins, nephews, and grandkids have a history of partying and carefree attitude. My aunt is in the at risk category. My mom is still recovering from triple bypass surgery and has strict orders from doctor to stay away from outside human contact. It really sucks that can't kiss or hug my own mother.

I'm not going into stores right now and doing as much as possible to prevent getting and spreading it. It is really bad where I am living. The hospitals are near capacity locally. My ortho surgeon is over a month and a half out rescheduling surgeries.

 

[gunslinger_006]

I did not say anything to them. They are the kind of people that don't take precautions. I know some of the cousins, nephews, and grandkids have a history of partying and carefree attitude. My aunt is in the at risk category. My mom is still recovering from triple bypass surgery and has strict orders from doctor to stay away from outside human contact. It really sucks that can't kiss or hug my own mother.

I'm not going into stores right now and doing as much as possible to prevent getting and spreading it. It is really bad where I am living. The hospitals are near capacity locally. My ortho surgeon is over a month and a half out rescheduling surgeries.

Yeah dude its not good here in Seattle but its really bad im so cal right now.


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[MattR]

Looks like it’s been removed?


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[thughes317]

Check this fake vaccination out.

https://www.facebook.com/629166898/posts/10157583715236899

WTF

Wow.....

 

[WJBertrand]

Gone...


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