Will you take the vaccine

[pooh and xtine]

The covid vaccines were rushed into use and inadequately tested, for a virus that was generally mild or undetectable for most people. Governments then required everybody to be vaccinated irrespective of their vulnerability. It has been the biggest mass medical experiment ever undertaken. Hopefully the vaccines were largely just placebo, so we will suffer no long term damage.
It is impossible to measure the effectiveness of the vaccines, but Africa had low covid mortality and low vaccination rates. Strange that our Astra Zeneca vaccine was suddenly withdrawn and has vanished without trace.

 

[Fozziebeard]

The covid vaccines were rushed into use and inadequately tested, for a virus that was generally mild or undetectable for most people. Governments then required everybody to be vaccinated irrespective of their vulnerability. It has been the biggest mass medical experiment ever undertaken. Hopefully the vaccines were largely just placebo, so we will suffer no long term damage.
It is impossible to measure the effectiveness of the vaccines, but Africa had low covid mortality and low vaccination rates. Strange that our Astra Zeneca vaccine was suddenly withdrawn and has vanished without trace.

Africa also had ebola, typhoid and malaria to deal with, I still remember the reporter asking the African doctor how they would cope with covid, the typical African belly laugh and the reply of "we have ebola to deal with, this is just flu" made a lasting impression on me

 

[fac191]

I've seen similar reports with Tamiflu. That the cure is worse than the disease sometimes. One of the possible side effects on the TV advertisement is death.

Thats some advert !

 

[fac191]

The covid vaccines were rushed into use and inadequately tested, for a virus that was generally mild or undetectable for most people. Governments then required everybody to be vaccinated irrespective of their vulnerability. It has been the biggest mass medical experiment ever undertaken. Hopefully the vaccines were largely just placebo, so we will suffer no long term damage.
It is impossible to measure the effectiveness of the vaccines, but Africa had low covid mortality and low vaccination rates. Strange that our Astra Zeneca vaccine was suddenly withdrawn and has vanished without trace.

I think your statement is quite frankly laughable. Its also an insult to all the dedicated Medical Personel who lost their lives fighting Covid. I understand how you can have such views but what you put forward here does not stack up to scrutiny, logic, common sense, and the common beliefs of the Medical Community. If however you dug deeper as i did you will find that the people who put all this nonsense on the internet have something in common and its not intelligence.

 

[Sierra1]

Thats some advert !

Yup, I had to rewind it to make sure I heard it right.

 

[Checkswrecks]

The covid vaccines were rushed into use and inadequately tested, for a virus that was generally mild or undetectable for most people. Governments then required everybody to be vaccinated irrespective of their vulnerability. It has been the biggest mass medical experiment ever undertaken. Hopefully the vaccines were largely just placebo, so we will suffer no long term damage.
It is impossible to measure the effectiveness of the vaccines, but Africa had low covid mortality and low vaccination rates. Strange that our Astra Zeneca vaccine was suddenly withdrawn and has vanished without trace.

 

[fac191]

When i look at things its in a balanced way. Just because some of the information does not fit my narrative i would not dismiss it. If you apply Logic, Common Sense, and the likelyhood of it being True you will come to a Resonable decision. There were Health Professionals on the side of the people who believe all the hoax theories ect. But when i peeled it back, too many times i ended up in the same place. And that place was their Political or Religious views which have no place in Science or Truth. They have another Agenda.

 

[fac191]

The covid vaccines were rushed into use and inadequately tested, for a virus that was generally mild or undetectable for most people. Governments then required everybody to be vaccinated irrespective of their vulnerability. It has been the biggest mass medical experiment ever undertaken. Hopefully the vaccines were largely just placebo, so we will suffer no long term damage.
It is impossible to measure the effectiveness of the vaccines, but Africa had low covid mortality and low vaccination rates. Strange that our Astra Zeneca vaccine was suddenly withdrawn and has vanished without trace.

In the first wave of the pandemic there were almost 27,000 “excess deaths” in care homes in England and Wales compared with the 2015–19 average. The virus penetrated care homes so widely and spread so fast that 13 homes in England saw two dozen or more Covid deaths each in just 11 weeks at the start of the pandemic, official figures have revealed.

 

[Sierra1]

Assisted living centers were the first casualties here also. The Pacific Northwest was devastated.

 

[ThaiXT]

Hi all I think you all need to watch Dr John Campbell, he gives out facts from Gov documents about all this, excess deaths, complications etc etc I'm a pure blood had it and can say it's not as bad as the flu

 

[Fozziebeard]

I think your statement is quite frankly laughable. Its also an insult to all the dedicated Medical Personel who lost their lives fighting Covid. I understand how you can have such views but what you put forward here does not stack up to scrutiny, logic, common sense, and the common beliefs of the Medical Community. If however you dug deeper as i did you will find that the people who put all this nonsense on the internet have something in common and its not intelligence.

devils advocate here, if it was that dangerous how did a strip of t shirt material with zero medical properties protect so many individuals? same goes for the one use masks sold for profit? Why didn't we roll out antibody testing for all before jumping into a vaccine? The press (fake or real) stirred up so much panic, the UK government with its daily briefings on tv really didn't help, especially when they couldn't answer a lot of questions straight. I personally think the virus killed off people with underlying health issues that seasonal flu would have got eventually, or some other bug passed onto them, the care homes got hit hard as they were contained targets, warm environment, and loads of underlying health issues, hard truth, but when you go into a care home you have a limited life expectancy.

 

[fac191]

devils advocate here, if it was that dangerous how did a strip of t shirt material with zero medical properties protect so many individuals? same goes for the one use masks sold for profit? Why didn't we roll out antibody testing for all before jumping into a vaccine? The press (fake or real) stirred up so much panic, the UK government with its daily briefings on tv really didn't help, especially when they couldn't answer a lot of questions straight. I personally think the virus killed off people with underlying health issues that seasonal flu would have got eventually, or some other bug passed onto them, the care homes got hit hard as they were contained targets, warm environment, and loads of underlying health issues, hard truth, but when you go into a care home you have a limited life expectancy.

I dont mind people taking our totally useless at anything but lining their own pockets Government to task. They failed us completely. But drawing in the Front Line Health people is not acceptable to me.

 

[fac191]

devils advocate here, if it was that dangerous how did a strip of t shirt material with zero medical properties protect so many individuals? same goes for the one use masks sold for profit? Why didn't we roll out antibody testing for all before jumping into a vaccine? The press (fake or real) stirred up so much panic, the UK government with its daily briefings on tv really didn't help, especially when they couldn't answer a lot of questions straight. I personally think the virus killed off people with underlying health issues that seasonal flu would have got eventually, or some other bug passed onto them, the care homes got hit hard as they were contained targets, warm environment, and loads of underlying health issues, hard truth, but when you go into a care home you have a limited life expectancy.

What happened to the AstraZeneca vaccine? Now rare in rich countries, it’s still saving lives around the world

Despite being an excellent vaccine, the use of AstraZeneca in the UK has declined over the course of the COVID pandemic.

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[Fozziebeard]

I dont mind people taking our totally useless at anything but lining their own pockets Government to task. They failed us completely. But drawing in the Front Line Health people is not acceptable to me.

I don't think any form of UK government could have handled it any better, my biggest issue around it was the"Key worker" movement, it went from clapping for the NHS to tv aerial fitters having key worker signs in their vehicles, turned the whole thing into a fiasco. The NHS was destined to struggle with it, isolation wards, staffing, stock etc, no way they could actually foresee coming out on top, my daughter went to work on a covid ward, her exact words were "its not actually that bad"

 

[fac191]

I don't think any form of UK government could have handled it any better, my biggest issue around it was the"Key worker" movement, it went from clapping for the NHS to tv aerial fitters having key worker signs in their vehicles, turned the whole thing into a fiasco. The NHS was destined to struggle with it, isolation wards, staffing, stock etc, no way they could actually foresee coming out on top, my daughter went to work on a covid ward, her exact words were "its not actually that bad"

Agreed the Key Worker deal got out of hand.

 

[Fozziebeard]

Agreed the Key Worker deal got out of hand.

Im a great believer in if you sign up for nurse, doctor, armed forces, police, ambulance or fire, you know the risks of the job. I spent years In the armed forces, didn't expect not to be put in austere conditions, its the strikes and militant behaviour that's frustrating me now, but that's a different discussion

 

[fac191]

Im a great believer in if you sign up for nurse, doctor, armed forces, police, ambulance or fire, you know the risks of the job. I spent years In the armed forces, didn't expect not to be put in austere conditions, its the strikes and militant behaviour that's frustrating me now, but that's a different discussion

Strikes and Militant behaviour is what you get from 10 yrs of austerity and globalisation. While the merchant bankers can mess up time and time again and get rewarded for it. No offence to our American friends but we will not accept their ways over here. I.E. trying to load all responsability on the workers. There are no good jobs left over here and people have had enough. Employers had it great when they could exploit European Workers on lower wages then Covid came and they were shat all over. So they went home. Things need putting right and that will only happen with action.

 

[Fozziebeard]

Strikes and Militant behaviour is what you get from 10 yrs of austerity and globalisation. While the merchant bankers can mess up time and time again and get rewarded for it. No offence to our American friends but we will not accept their ways over here. I.E. trying to load all responsability on the workers. There are no good jobs left over here and people have had enough. Employers had it great when they could exploit European Workers on lower wages then Covid came and they were shat all over. So they went home. Things need putting right and that will only happen with action.

Bankers had contracts with bonus built in, that's just how it works, same issue in the 80's crash. just for clarity, there are plenty of good jobs in the UK, ive rescued 50 jobs over the last year, engineering and warehouse, all UK workers, good wages. Ive also interviewed plenty of applicants (UK) for jobs who blatantly didn't want work, just turned up to get form signed, lowest paid position is £12ph, that's well above any government set wage. I keep telling people to be careful what they wish for when they slag off the government and want change, just look back at what each successive government inherited from the previous, not fantastic, its a funny world,

 

[fac191]

Bankers had contracts with bonus built in, that's just how it works, same issue in the 80's crash. just for clarity, there are plenty of good jobs in the UK, ive rescued 50 jobs over the last year, engineering and warehouse, all UK workers, good wages. Ive also interviewed plenty of applicants (UK) for jobs who blatantly didn't want work, just turned up to get form signed, lowest paid position is £12ph, that's well above any government set wage. I keep telling people to be careful what they wish for when they slag off the government and want change, just look back at what each successive government inherited from the previous, not fantastic, its a funny world,

Agree with some of what you say. But pay depends on where you live and housing costs. And new contracts these days are rubbish. Thing is if housing costs outstrip the rises you get you go backwards. And the buy to let market is finished so hold on to your hats because your rents are going to get crazy and your mortgage. You need stability in a Country for it to grow. We have none here.

 

[Checkswrecks]

Hi all I think you all need to watch Dr John Campbell, he gives out facts from Gov documents about all this, excess deaths, complications etc etc I'm a pure blood had it and can say it's not as bad as the flu

Intro to his Wiki page:

John Lorimer Campbell is an English YouTuber and retired nurse educator known for his videos about the COVID-19 pandemic. Initially, the videos received praise, but they later veered into misinformation.[2]He has been criticised for suggesting COVID-19 deaths have been over-counted, repeating false claims about the use of ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment, and providing misleading commentary about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.