Will you take the vaccine

[MattR]

Although the vaccine is being offered everyone of every religion, colour, orientation, or political view. Not exactly what the NAZIs would have wanted. In fact, the direct opposite


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[ballisticexchris]

I think I'm backing out of this thread now. To consider that financial incentives are the only thing making some people nervous about taking a vaccine is blinkered. To say that you must allow yourself to be injected with a chemical you have doubts about, or risk losing your job and ability to feed and house your family is sinister in the extreme. Dictatorial even.

It's the way of the world. Drive cams, piss tests, breathalyzers, spies at work filming your every move, public with cell phones making every effort to put law enforcement in the worst light, etc. Private companies can dictate whatever they choose. It's called at will employment.

Take the vaccine or risk spreading the virus. Simple math.

Polio. Look it up. Its a mandatory vaccine to enroll in public school.

This is NOT new. Its part of citizenry.


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Yes!! There are at least 10 mandatory vaccines children must take to be enrolled in schools. The anti-vaccine freaks argue why does their child need it when all the others are already immune. You get 2 or three of these at every school. Then you have the drug addicts pumping out children and illegal immigrates who's kids are not going to school and not getting vaccines. All of the sudden epidemic.

That's how all this COVID crap started!! The Commander In Chief did everything he could to close the borders and prevent open flights in and out of our country to no avail. The idiotic health officials and others wanted open travel with no restrictions and here we are.

 

[Tenman]

Although the vaccine is being offered everyone of every religion, colour, orientation, or political view. Not exactly what the NAZIs would have wanted. In fact, the direct opposite
Right. Nothing compares to the nazis

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[ballisticexchris]

Maybe that’s how the Nazi’s convinced themselves.

The goal was an utopian Volksgemeinschaft, totally under police surveillance, in which any attempt at nonconformist behaviour, or even any hint or intention of such behaviour, would be visited with terror.

Although the vaccine is being offered everyone of every religion, colour, orientation, or political view. Not exactly what the NAZIs would have wanted. In fact, the direct opposite


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I like that idea a lot!! If you are doing what you're supposed to then why worry about it. As long as it's for everyone and not just a chosen few.

 

[Tenman]

Offering everybody a vaccine to stop a disease is Nazish. Yeah right

 

[WJBertrand]

Offering everybody a vaccine to stop a disease is Nazish. Yeah right

Agree. Complete hysteria and a complete lack of understanding what’s going on to compare a vaccination effort to Nazis. How one makes that mental leap is incomprehensible to me. Wow.

Data point #1

 

[scott123007]

It's like people who won't evacuate when a mandatory evacuation is in order for a storm, needing help to rescue them afterwards. Never understood why they are helped. They should be warned that they are on their own, but no, here come the rescue services, risking their own lives, for a bunch of stubborn dumbasses.
I'd have no problem with those that choose not to take the vaccine as long as they understood that it they contracted the virus, their employment would be terminated, and it would be on their dime to pay for hospitalization. Whether that will happen or not remains to be seen.

 

[Checkswrecks]

...To consider that financial incentives are the only thing making some people nervous about taking a vaccine is blinkered.

The way it was mentioned was that in the end it should cost less to do this than the continuing financial impact to all of us as an economy. It'd be interesting to see somebody actually calculate the pros and cons because these are never simple.

To say that you must allow yourself to be injected with a chemical you have doubts about, or risk losing your job and ability to feed and house your family is sinister in the extreme. Dictatorial even.

The Good Lord (or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or . . . ) gave each of us choice and there's the old saying that your liberty ends at the tip of my nose. That said, I have seen nothing saying that your personal right to control what goes into your body is going to be infringed.

A big part of the Adam and Eve story is that we each need to be able to live with the consequences coming from our choices. I don't want a kid with polio or some other preventable disease in daycare with my grand daughter so support the idea of participation requiring some protection like basic vaccinations. The consequence of choosing not to is the kid should not be allowed into the group. While as a retired Gummint guy I totally understand Golden Handcuffs, nobody is dictating where a person must work. Last I looked, employers have the right to determine when excluding an employee protects the health of everybody else.

 

[Mak10]

Yeah let’s apply that logic all around. If you are obese, and it causes medical issues- NO medical attention for you. Or if you smoke, drink alcohol, or any number of other personal choices.

I’m done here. I am starting to wonder how and if some of you even ride a motorcycle. Good lord the risk. Maybe your a “dumbass” for riding a motorcycle and should be denied medical care.

 

[Checkswrecks]

This is all a shady hazy gray line about individuals and society for sure!
There is no right or wrong answer but I'm looking forward to being able to talk in person over beers regardless of which way people lean.

 

[ballisticexchris]

It's like people who won't evacuate when a mandatory evacuation is in order for a storm, needing help to rescue them afterwards. Never understood why they are helped. They should be warned that they are on their own, but no, here come the rescue services, risking their own lives, for a bunch of stubborn dumbasses.

OK Scott funny story about no evacuating. I am not making this up. Around 40 years or so we had a big flood at a local lake (Lake Elsinore). A mobil home park ended up under water. There were looters in scuba gear stealing anything of value. Then one of the property owners donned some scuba gear on and used a spear gun to shoot one of the looters. No more looting.

I bring this up because with all the fires we have there are home owners who are worried that their property will be stolen. Looting and vandalizing is a big problem. It's not worth dying over of course. OTOH, the police can do nothing about it.

Yeah let’s apply that logic all around. If you are obese, and it causes medical issues- NO medical attention for you. Or if you smoke, drink alcohol, or any number of other personal choices.

I’m done here. I am starting to wonder how and if some of you even ride a motorcycle. Good lord the risk. Maybe your a “dumbass” for riding a motorcycle and should be denied medical care.

Take it easy Mark. Not everyone is going to agree with your point of view. Life in general is a risk. Some of us are just not wanting to tempt fate by making poor choices.

I don't smoke or drink. I want to do everything possible to retain a healthy liver and lungs. I'm not holier than thou. Just my choice.

And some of us are not riding at the moment. I have injuries that are preventing me from riding. I'm willing to bet that I have at least as much if not more saddle time over the years (both on/off road and racing) than the average rider. I'm just not the guy who brags about it all the time like some members.

 

[Sierra1]

. . . . Take the vaccine or risk spreading the virus. Simple math. . . .

Many here have said that their concern is not for themselves, but their high-risk family members. How did a life saving vaccine get connected to Nazi-ism?! Some people will bitch about anything.

To me, your place of employment is a house that belongs to somebody else. You get to choose who you want in your house. . . . your employer is choosing who they let in their house. Just like our 2nd Amendment, It pertains to public places, not private property. Your house, your rules. Their business, their rules. Just because a place has public access, doesn't mean it doesn't belong to a private party.

Nobody's forcing you to take the vax. But, you're going to have to make some choices if you don't take it.

 

[WJBertrand]

Many here have said that their concern is not for themselves, but their high-risk family members. How did a life saving vaccine get connected to Nazi-ism?! Some people will bitch about anything.

Comparing things/people to Nazis and or labeling things/people racist is in vogue these days when one has run out of anything intelligent to add, no matter what the issue/topic is.

Just watch the “news” on TV if you don’t believe it.


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[MattR]

I may well die riding my bike. But at least I’ll die doing something I love. I promise you, dying from covid is not something anyone would like


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[ballisticexchris]

To me, your place of employment is a house that belongs to somebody else. You get to choose who you want in your house. . . . your employer is choosing who they let in their house. Just like our 2nd Amendment, It pertains to public places, not private property. Your house, your rules. Their business, their rules. Just because a place has public access, doesn't mean it doesn't belong to a private party.

Nobody's forcing you to take the vax. But, you're going to have to make some choices if you don't take it.

How very true Robert. As you know some of us find out the hard way. Case in point is being assaulted while performing duties at work and hospitalized. Perps were arrested, witnesses, police report with pictures, etc, etc. Assailants were not charged, and employee was chastised for not locking themself in a 8500 gallon bomb. A choice was made and the company fired them because of their choice. That and the fact when you are injured on the job companies have every right to terminate you because you are not making them income.

Earlier a few years back, a driver fell asleep at the wheel of his car and slammed into the steer wheel of one of my fellow employees driving a loaded tanker. It caused the steering rod to bend and caused him to roll the truck. It was caught on camera and all the safety manager could do was blame the driver for not having both hands on the wheel. Insurance company and CHP said there was nothing that could have prevented the roll over. Did not matter one bit. Driver was fired shortly after the incident.

And we have people whining because their rights are infringed for having to take a vaccine? Geeze.......

 

[AVGeek]

Interesting to see which tangents come up...

I mentioned the likelihood fo having to pay for the vaccine because I don't have health insurance. Something I didn't know about the ACA when I left my 21 year employer to freelance is that there is a threshold to qualify, and I made too much money to do so. On top of that, it seems that insurance companies simply shifted the costs of the extended coverage to those they believed could afford it. In my case we calculated it would cost us somewhere around $20K a year before we got back $1 in benefits. With all the other hidden costs of being self employed, it simply wasn't in the budget, especially given that my wife and I have no chronic illnesses or history of serious disease in our family (that we know of).

So with Congress still dragging its feet on any stimulus package, and with the money for states to provide the vaccine as part of that package, I do see the possibility that those without healthcare coverage could be required to pay for the vaccine. This is already the case with the COVID test (which costs $139 when I checked recently), although that has been subsidized partly through the CARES act.

 

[gunslinger_006]

The difference is that, if i infer your profession correctly (ballisticxchris): you have lives at stake on your job and actual personal responsibility/liability.

Many dont, or have never bore that responsibility. It changes perspective.


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[Sierra1]

. . . . So with Congress still dragging its feet on any stimulus package, and with the money for states to provide the vaccine as part of that package, I do see the possibility that those without healthcare coverage could be required to pay for the vaccine. This is already the case with the COVID test (which costs $139 when I checked recently), although that has been subsidized partly through the CARES act.

I'm not saying you're wrong about the vaccine cost, because I've seen two different stories so far, and don't know anything to be fact. But, there are free covid tests out there. Google "free covid test", and there will be a list of locations. I know that to be true, 'cuz I've seen it.

The difference is that, if i infer your profession correctly (ballisticxchris): you have lives at stake on your job and actual personal responsibility/liability.

Many dont, or have never bore that responsibility. It changes perspective.

Absolutely! This is a pet peeve. Requirement #1 GET A F'n JOB!! And, I'm not talking about someone who has recently lost their job, and is actually/really looking for a job. I'm talking about a person that has NEVER had a job, and does not want a job. I'm talking any job. If you're not willing to work, and support (or at least try to support) yourself. . . . why should you be allowed to vote like working grown-ups? And, 'slinger is so right. . . . having a job where your decisions effects other people's wellbeing? Yeah, definitely gives you a new perspective on life. 'Cuz you know that you have to get your shit straight, or you won't have it for long.

 

[gunslinger_006]

My current job doesn’t have lives at stake, but literally millions of dollars per minute.

I work oncall shifts. I carry a pager. I am a digital firefighter. When a major system catches fire (figuratively, this is software), i get paged and have five minutes to be hands-on-workstation working the problem. I have worked incident command from my car, tethered to data through my phone a handful of times. Once from the bike lol, laptop on panniers.

It can cost my company millions of dollars, these problems. When the threat is over, the entire thing is scrutinized like a major disaster: we forensically look at everything. All my actions will be judged by a cadre of my peers so we can learn how to do it better nex time.

Do you know how many pages i have ever missed?

Zero.

Anyone who has worked Incident Command understands the responsibility and the dedication to cool, rational thinking that must prevail.

Remember in this order: Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.


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[bigbob]

So with Congress still dragging its feet on any stimulus package, and with the money for states to provide the vaccine as part of that package, I do see the possibility that those without healthcare coverage could be required to pay for the vaccine.

As part of Operation Warp Speed the Feds already bought several hundred million doses of the several different vaccines. So the vaccine will be free. However there may be a small $5-10 fee to administer it depending on where you get it.