Why would you have to turn off the ABS?

KSH

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Got the T home and got her dirty while she was still naked.
Half of the 90 miles were gravel where I tested the ABS, this is my first bike with it.

If you use the rear brake first, then grab a full handful of front she is skidding the rear tire in the sand, loose gravel and mud.
In what scenario would you want to lose the front wheel ABS power?

Or does put aggressive tires on them change how the ABS behaves?



 

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I read in one of the brochures that if you hit the rear brake first, it disengages the ABS. Or the Unified system. Or both. Can't remember that. R
 

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rem said:
I read in one of the brochures that if you hit the rear brake first, it disengages the ABS. Or the Unified system. Or both. Can't remember that. R
Just the UBS.
 

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10-4, thanks Rod. Good to know. R
 

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I understand the UBS and how it works, that's one of the reasons I bought the bike.
And it works the way I hoped it would.
I just started wondering why Wasp and others felt they needed to totally disable it and what was gained by it.
 

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It raises the bar but as you become more experience there is more FUN to be had if you can control the braking (at the rear I would guess).

So the old rule of thumb about disabling ABS on dirt is not applicable in more situations now than before for more people.

I think also that certain brand loyalists don't want to believe that anyone could do a better job AND some people just want to believe they are Super heros. ;)

If you watch that das Mottorrad video you would see big differences in how different bikes behave on tarmac. I suspect YAMAHA have tweaked a few things for dirt.

You will still need to disable it if you get into some serious situations of course. A few ways you can do that including installing a switch.

Just watch if you don't understand German.

Apparently on Tarmac the Fireblade is the ducks guts at the moment.

S10 at 2:20

Motorrad-ABS-Systeme im Test

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Disabling ABS is useful when you're in dirt/sand going down a steep hill. Being able to lock the rear allows you to maintain control by plowing. The idea is the dirt will mound up in front of the tire that is locked which helps to slow you down. When I took the BMW Off-Road training in CA this year, we practiced locking the rear and feathering the front to maintain contol on steep inclines. I could walk my rental GS down a hill at 4 or 5 mph using this technique so I know it works with a 600 lb motorcycle.
 

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Does the ABS unlock the rear wheel when your crawling down hill?
 

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KSH said:
I understand the UBS and how it works, that's one of the reasons I bought the bike.
And it works the way I hoped it would.
I just started wondering why Wasp and others felt they needed to totally disable it and what was gained by it.
It does work, and work very well in the dirt - Until you want to swing the back out to set up for a corner exit.
The quicker you go on tight/slow trails, the more user control over the back brake is required.




NAH........................ That's all bullshit........... I just like to hoon around locking the rear up all the time >:D

Seriously though, this is where the funz at, and it's a lot easier to control when you have control.. Just depends how you like to ride.
Action starts at 0:40 (was looking for the trail opening)
Super Tenere single trail.avi

You'll notice though that I do get the back locked up quite a bit at speed to get the rear out and set up while washing off speed...
Xt1200Z Grunter.mp4

Action starts at about 1:10
WaspWorks crew on the fire trail.mp4

I do always have ABS on when I am on the road.... Unless I'm in a hoon mood again. ::)

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I think the idea disabling the ABS for off road came came about from the way BMW calibrates their ABS, which really sucks in the dirt. My experience with ABS on a bike started with a 1994 Yamaha GTS1000 that i rode for 6 years after I bought it in 2001. I have a 1994 BMW K1100LT in the garage and had a 2003 F650GS Dakar that I bought for a 7000 mile trans Labrador highway trip here recently since my Tenere hadn't arrived yet. Now I have the Tenere with ABS. The ABS calibration behavior on both the BMW rear brakes just completely sucks for loose surfaces compared to the Yamaha's, they completely feel like they let go of the rear brake entirely for what feels like 5-10 feet before it grabs again, cycling very slowly while your are trying to stop or control your speed on slippery surfaces. The Yamaha's let off on the braking a lot less and cycle lot's lots faster, letting you have more control while the ABS is active. so much so that the brakes feel like they are still doing something, unlike the BMW's. From what I have read, the current BMW GS's still behave this way making the ABS brakes nearly useless and dangerous in the loose stuff, but I haven't actually ridden a new one to say for my self if they are any better for sure. Taking the Tenere on fire roads and easy trail stuff like in wasp's video can be lots of fun. Riding that kind of stuff at a faster pace you would want both the ABS and the traction control off because its a normal dirt bike riding practice to both lock the rear to help the bike turn quicker into turns and to spin up the rear to slide it out to help make it through the turns faster. It's also just fun to do along with getting you through a section faster. Going fast on anything beyond relatively flat and easy is probably a no no on a behemoth like the Tenere. I would consider the Tenere not to be a real dirt bike in the slightest and more like a 4 wheel drive SUV that you would buy at your local car dealer that while you can still go most places with it, you just need to do it slow and easy vs. a race truck that you would race in the Baja 1000. For myself, I'll leave the hardcore trail riding and my need for speed while doing it to the enduros and hare scrambles on bikes made and set up for it.
 

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Wasp said:
The ABS is inactive below about 7kph

Greg.
After I picked up the bike on Saturday, I rode up some steep washboard ( with the TC turned OFF - Crucial in dirt!), turned around and went down about 200 yards or so and the brakes did lock up the rear wheel just fine. I'm not sure what the speed is in MPH ~ 5 mph, but the ABS was definitely disengaged as I skidded down the washboard.

Yamaha did their homework on these brakes for sure. They work very well in the dirt.
 
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