what sleeping bag?

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OK here's my problem, I have a super comfy bag, but it is huge. I can only take it when we trailer our bikes somewhere, I did buy a mummy bag that is small and packs away nicely but it never keeps me warm. If it is below 50 I freeze, now I know that this is subjective but I am rarely cold when I ride. I like being cool and will ride at temps below freezing. Are folks sleeping in some sort of long pants and shirts to keep warm? I sleep in my shorts and if sometimes I wear a knit hat.

Tell me what you are doing and what the heck I am doing wrong.


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Sleeping bags are very personal item. I can't use the mummy style bags, I guess I'm too claustrophobic. The only ones that really pack down small and are rated for cold tems seem to be mummy style. I don't normally camp in weather below 40 degrees however I usually sleep fully clothed unless its really hot out. I leave my pants, socks t-shirt and or sweatshirt. If its reall cold I'll bring a watch cap. If you hop over the ADVR serach the equipment section there are a lot of threads on sleeping bags.
 

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Cold temp Down with a bag expander for the mummy bag for big guys, I also bring one of those army thin summer liner inserts.
I own a Mountain hardware 10 degree bag.

http://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Hardwear-Bag-Expander-Sleeping/dp/B000JL97VI/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

http://www.mountainhardwear.com/QuantumExpander.html

I am not a mummy bag guy myself but have got use to wearing a light down jacket, Cap, socks and polar tech pants.
Believe me when it gets super cold at night you will figure out how to like a mummy bag, I tend not to zip it all the way up but wrap myself into it.

If your not afraid of candle lanterns I hang one in my two man tent it does work a little by reducing moisture/ Dampness in the air, like this one but not the Mini tea candle one it's messy and dangerous.

I also use a 4 season convertible tent when fall and early spring hits or when high in the Mountains.

I once went into a uncontrollable teeth chattering hypothermia shake at a camp out in the mountains far from any motel, it sucks and you can't seem to get warm until you sit in front of a big fire and just work it off..
Drink lots of water at all times when camping it seems to keep you in better condition (NOT BEER or Liquor before sacking out).
Hot Tea, Coco or a cup of hot Oatmeal is great as well when cold is coming upon you..
Owning a cold weather down bag can be used at all times if it's hot I sleep on top of it, if I know it's going to be hot most of my trip I bring just the liner and a meshy 3 season tent.
 

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What a coincident I just received my Big Agnes in the mail this morning from CampSaver . I have a mummy bag never been cold but I'm very restless so I went with a rectangle bag, this thing has tons of room and is not much bigger than the mummy when packed. .http://www.campsaver.com/summit-park-15-sleeping-bag-650-down
 

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patrickg450 said:
OK here's my problem, I have a super comfy bag, but it is huge. I can only take it when we trailer our bikes somewhere, I did buy a mummy bag that is small and packs away nicely but it never keeps me warm. If it is below 50 I freeze, now I know that this is subjective but I am rarely cold when I ride. I like being cool and will ride at temps below freezing. Are folks sleeping in some sort of long pants and shirts to keep warm? I sleep in my shorts and if sometimes I wear a knit hat.

Tell me what you are doing and what the heck I am doing wrong.


PG
Is it a synthetic fill or down fill ? If you don't mind can you tell us the brand, fill weight, Etc... Etc..... I have a 30*+ down filled, I sleep in shorts till about 40*..... When its gets down to 20s'-30s* I wear some Wal-Mart long johns... I'm toasty.... Sometimes I get to hot and its cold as crap out side.... lol

Do you sleep on a sleeping pad....... I've bought my first one from REI and have gone back twice to try a different brand / style... (they have a great exchange program, no questions) The one I now have comes with a radiant barrier heat 'reflector'... It seems to make a nice 'warmth' difference as well, and comfy to sleep on and packs small on the bike....
 

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I have a Big Agnes Lost Ranger 15 degree bag that is very warm and some times to a fault. I also have a sleeping Bag Liner that I had never used. Last August I bought a REI Travel Sack 55 degree bag. It is lighter, smaller, and sleeps better in California summer heat. The first night I used the Travel Sack the temp slipped to 55 degrees and the bag was comfortable. The next night the temp slipped to 45 degrees and I woke up during the night and added the sleeping bag liner. Excellent. The liner probably extends a bag by 15-20 degrees. The liner alone can be used for very hot nights. Love the size and weight of the Travel Sack and Sleeping Bag Liner.
 

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I would assume it is synthetic lined, I have down stuff at home and this DOES NOT feel similar. I will get the brand when I get home. I have a pad I bought but never slept out on the ground. Most of the rides I go on we trailer to a location and sleep in it , (enclosed). We typically go for a min of 3 days, most times there is power so we hook up and have a small space heater. We were at March Moto Madness this past spring and it got down to 25 at night. Even in the bag I got cold.

I am going to try a few overnighters in the next few weeks and camp off the bike. My sleep pad is insulated and 3" thick, I got it about a year ago but have yet to really use it. Got a good water proof roll up bag to carry a tent, pad, pillow (thanks to fellow ST owner) and a bag. Right now the temps are dropping to about 40 at night.

I forget how much I paid for it but I see the links above and 2-3 hundred bucks it pricey to me, is this what I will need to pay? My buddy bought 2 of them originally for our CDR ride back in '09.

I hate to sound cheap but $400 buys a few hotel rooms........
 

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patrickg450 said:
I would assume it is synthetic lined, I have down stuff at home and this DOES NOT feel similar. I will get the brand when I get home. I have a pad I bought but never slept out on the ground. Most of the rides I go on we trailer to a location and sleep in it , (enclosed). We typically go for a min of 3 days, most times there is power so we hook up and have a small space heater. We were at March Moto Madness this past spring and it got down to 25 at night. Even in the bag I got cold.

I am going to try a few overnighters in the next few weeks and camp off the bike. My sleep pad is insulated and 3" thick, I got it about a year ago but have yet to really use it. Got a good water proof roll up bag to carry a tent, pad, pillow (thanks to fellow ST owner) and a bag. Right now the temps are dropping to about 40 at night.

I forget how much I paid for it but I see the links above and 2-3 hundred bucks it pricey to me, is this what I will need to pay? My buddy bought 2 of them originally for our CDR ride back in '09.

I hate to sound cheap but $400 buys a few hotel rooms........

What im about to suggest is strictly my opinion. This is what I have done and is just a good suggestion.. :)

Sign up with REI.. http://www.rei.com They run specials all the time. They also have a once a year super duper special deals for members only... https://www.rei.com/membership/benefits/

After doing quite a bit of home work and deciding on what I thought I needed and wanted out of a bag I started learning and reading what was available though REI. I keep shopping there because of there outstanding warranty and return policy if the product is not working for you or you just decide you don't like it. My wife came in and told me that REI had one of there sales going on (this was two years ago) and not only did we get the sale price but we also got our 10% savings added to the end of the year discount.. My bag was brand new, they where getting rid of them because the color had changed and it was 'last years color'... I think my bag was normally about 375-425'ish... If I remember correctly I paid about $140-150..... It has worked out great.....
http://www.rei.com/category/4500001_Sleeping+Bags

One thing I got this last year is the silk liner that you crawl into first.. It packs up very small. Its a little cumbersome to climb into, but once in and laying in your bag you will probably burn up with only shorts on... There are all types and all you need is a "bag liner".... its not permanent and you can pull it out and wash it, Etc.....
http://www.rei.com/search?cat=4500001_Sleeping+Bags&cat=4500057&cat=4500592&hist=cat%2C4500001_Sleeping+Bags%3ASleeping+Bags%5Ecat%2C4500057%3ALiners+and+Accessories%5Ecat%2C4500592%3ASleeping+Bag+Liners

I will add that most all my camping equipment is "back packing" style equipment.. This mainly means small and lightweight for packing on the bike.

If you don't know... The big thing between synthetic and down is water and getting them wet... IMOP the down is far better for many temp applications but there is a golden rule, don't get it wet...
There is tons of info on the REI site and of course the net....

There are many pads to sleep on and I have gone though several trying to find what works for my packing needs and my back... LOL Again going though REI, they have made it very easy to change out what has turned out to be a fantastic pad that I'm using now.. http://www.rei.com/product/828412/big-agnes-insulated-q-core-pad This is the one I can sleep on for a week at a time out in the back country and I really like it. With this pad, bag, and liner I can sleep down in the 20's* with no issue and worm no issue at all.. I don't think I would worry about sleeping in lower temps with this set up..


I primitive camp all the time. And like to be 100% self sufficient any where I want to ride. If you have any other questions, Ill be happy to help...
 

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Jaxon hit it on the head about using a bag liner. I have one made of CoolMax fabric. I have a Big Agnes Fish Hawk down bag. I believe it is rated to 30*. Using these two items together covers 99% of my sleeping needs. The liner works great by itself in the summer. The bag works great by itself in the Spring and Fall. In Winter, I use the liner in the bag and I am toasty warm. The coldest I've been down to with this combo is the low 20s and have been more then fine in just shorts.

IMHO, Down is king when dealing with sleeping bags. They even have newer water resistant down. The best way to handle a down bag is to put it into a dry bag. This way you are sure that it won't get wet. Even if it's pouring rain when you set up your tent, the bag will stay dry. The other reason keeping it in a dry bag is a good idea, is that many times when you break camp, the tent fly is wet from dew, even if it hasn't rained at all. If you carry your tent and bag in the same luggage as I do, you can see where this is an advantage.

One final thought. There are a lot of areas that you can save money on both camping gear, and cycle gear in general. However, don't skimp on your sleeping bag. Buy the very best bag you can afford. It will save you money in the long run.
 

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My wife has a Big Agnes that has a sleeve in the bottom to hous the sleeping mattress. If I ever replace my Kelty, I will buy one of these. It has two great advantages with the sleeve: 1) you never slip off the mattress like tradition bags and get a better nights sleep because of this. 2) the bag rolls up to a much smaller package as it does not have any fill on the underside where the mattress slips in. One important fact is you need to buy a the insulated mattress from Big Agnes to stay warm. To gain extra warmth like Tabasco said an insert is the way to go.
 

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I have a down filled REI Radiant that is rated for 20+ degrees. It is designed for Hikers so it packs up really small. I have used it in low 40 degree temps and stayed warm without even zipping it up.
 

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OK a day late here...........


thanks for all the input, here is what I got. My bag is a slumber Jack thermo lite extreme. Says it goes to 40 but I got cold..........I went to my local Sportsman Warehouse and bought a 100% cotton bag liner, from Sea to Summit. The selection was suck-ass at best but I dont like silk so it was this or nothing.

I got it home and in my living room laid out my bag and liner, makes total sense, layers to keep warm. I think I will return this one and try the academy sports on the other side of town. I looked at the sea to summit site and this particular one does not advertise any added temp, they had some on the site and I compared a few. If I cant find one there I guess I will order one on line.

Thanks guy, got a trip in two weeks and dont want to freeze.
 

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Want to? Yes but i've got to get some work on the farm done plus i'm teaching bible school for the next three months. I'm sure youll will have fun. If you remember hit Mike up for the Tenere trials video I'd like to see all he got. Be safe Mark
 

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I like to pack small, tight and light. And I'm cheap, too. Everything for a trip has to fit in my Jesse Bags and in the top box - no outside baggage.

What has worked best for me for the past 4-5 years is the following: Big Agnes Insulated Air Core Large, Eureka Silver City (30 deg F) and a Polarfleece lightweight sleeping bag/liner. I've slept into the 20's in pure comfort AFTER I started wearing a balaclava on my bald head on cold nights or a hat on less cold nights.

The greatest purchase that I have ever made was the Big Agnes Air Core pad. (lists about $100-$120) Don't over inflate and you will have more comfort. This provides more comfort and warmth than anything else I've found. It packs reasonably small but I do need to carry a compressor to fill it up on every set up. No big deal. Insulated side up for cold weather, plain side up for hot nights.

The Silver City ($65 when I purchased mine) was decided upon after lots and lots of research. Synthetic is best for my motorcycle riding/camping. For the price, I doubt the features of this bag could be beat. This bag compacts exceptionally well and stays warm even after long term compacted storage. Comes with its own stuff sack. It's good into the 30's without the liner. Anything much less than 40's and I will add the liner bag. I'm satisfied with Eureka's line of products. They also make some great tents as I use a Mountain Pass 3XTE.

I use a cheap Polarfleece liner bag ($12 on sale) for my cold weather liner. Anything less than 40 degrees and I use it as a liner although, on a recent trip to Oklahoma, I spent a night in the mid 40's with just the Polarfleece bag and I was comfortable until later morning (and then I just pulled my MC jacket over me for added warmth). When this bag is added as a liner to the Silver City, I'm very comfortable into the 20's and maybe colder. I have yet to test anything colder than mid 20's.

Most importantly for cold nights - add a hat on cool nights or a balaclava for cold nights. This is most important if you are follically challenged as my head is. This is also where a mummy style bag with a draw cord will make a huge difference in comfort.

Pillows - I've got a Thermarest dogbone shaped inflatable. ($35-$40) Save your money as this one sucks! I also have a cheap Cabelas that was on close-out for $1.50 which works better than the bone. I've recently purchased a memory foam pillow from Bart here on the forum. After I split that in half to decrease my head elevation, I found pillow nirvana and the best 4 nights of camping sleep I've ever had! And, this pillow stuffs into the Silver City's pillow pocket. :) Don't I wish I had that during our summer trip where we camped 13 out of the 15 days on the trip.

I would say that the most important selections in the importance of order (for me, anyway) are: Sleeping Pad, pillow, bag, liner bag. Remember, you get what you pay for. Buy cheap, get junk in most cases. My cheap air mattress lasted a couple of months but my girlfriend has used her BA pad for 1.5 years of continuous use in her apartment on a nightly basis without any problems.

And Patrick, one of these days we need to schedule a ride on the MS river levee roads.
 

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Def need to plan a trip...............where in West Tn are you?

OK, I have a plan. Going to return the simple bag liner today. Guess I will order (online Amazon maybe) a good Sea to Summit bag liner. Kinda bummed I found many reviews on my current bag.............they all suck. Well I did not do the research and this is what I got. I will attempt the bag and new liner next weekend, then the weekend after that (maybe) we are going to D/S down to the 7 springs ride in Tuscumbia Alabama. If I freeze my ba!!s off this weekend I will know NOT to attempt it the following.
 
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