Thinking about buying a Tenere, but got cold feet!

[Constrictor]

Hi!

Henrik here from Sweden, didnt even had the time to introduce myself cause im in a hurry ;-)

Im switching bikes from my MT-01 to an adventure bike, cant stand the position/vibrations etc! Anyway!

A dealer nearby has an 2011 Tenere, 1 owner, full history, nice extras, good conditions and i test rode it yesterday, seemed fine. Got a descent price for my MT and this bike is for sale for 9k (which is a good price here in Sweden, not many are for sale and many has twice the milage for the same money)

This example has 11180 miles on it (18000 km) and everything seemed ok, even spoke with previous owner. BUT; yesterday night I found out about the problems with the CCT

Sure it makes alot of noice, but nothing that alarmed me! But should i be worried? Well yes, I guess.. Theese bikes are rarely for sale, and not for this price.. The closest one in price, thats a 2015 is 2 grand more, and a hellova ride away and I dont even know if theyll take my old bike..
Regarding the CCT, if I ask the dealer to change it; would it be "as safe as "an Gen 2?

This is the bike im writing about:

https://www.blocket.se/helsingborg/Yamaha_XT1200Z_Supertenere_81688986.htm?ca=23_6&w=3

Grateful for any help!

//Henrik

 

[Juan]

Greetings from Malta and welcome to the forum.

On the 2011 model (Gen 1) the CCT may become a problem after many more kilometers than 18,000 (say 70,000km+). It usually gives you ample warning, like heavy metal banging during the first couple of seconds on startup. Replacing the CCT is not a major task.

My S10 is a 2013 model (Gen 1). I bought a CCT just in case - but at 37,000km there's absolutely no sign that it needs to be replaced.

I hope this gives you some comfort.

 

[Dogdaze]

Welcome from Switzerland. Rare for a CCT to 'go' at such a low mileage, however, being man-made, anything is possible! If you are worried just change it for the new Gen2 version and worry over. I would say that perhaps you are hearing the normal S10 rattle, these bike, especially Gen 1 sound like a metal tool box has been thrown down a metal staircase.

 

[Constrictor]

Hi fellow europeans! (Thought it would be mostly americans here ;-)
Thx for your replies! Wont blame you if it breaks lol but I should be ok to change it combined with the next service, lets say to spring at perhaps 20000km? When its changed, Will the problem be gone forever? Regarding the rattle, is it just annoying or does it affect the parts, like more wear n tear?

Thx again! /Henrik

 

[stutrump]

Just buy it and dont worry. I've got 112,000 miles (170k?) on my 2011 S10 and its still on the original CCT. Yes it rattles but who cares. It starts every day and has never let me down.

 

[Constrictor]

Just buy it and dont worry. I've got 112,000 miles (170k?) on my 2011 S10 and its still on the original CCT. Yes it rattles but who cares. It starts every day and has never let me down.

D**n thats alot! Well.. I just called the dealer and told him I wanted the bike! So I guess Im picking up sometimes this week ;-)

 

[Supertee123]

Hi!

Henrik here from Sweden, didnt even had the time to introduce myself cause im in a hurry ;-)

Im switching bikes from my MT-01 to an adventure bike, cant stand the position/vibrations etc! Anyway!

A dealer nearby has an 2011 Tenere, 1 owner, full history, nice extras, good conditions and i test rode it yesterday, seemed fine. Got a descent price for my MT and this bike is for sale for 9k (which is a good price here in Sweden, not many are for sale and many has twice the milage for the same money)

This example has 11180 miles on it (18000 km) and everything seemed ok, even spoke with previous owner. BUT; yesterday night I found out about the problems with the CCT

Sure it makes alot of noice, but nothing that alarmed me! But should i be worried? Well yes, I guess.. Theese bikes are rarely for sale, and not for this price.. The closest one in price, thats a 2015 is 2 grand more, and a hellova ride away and I dont even know if theyll take my old bike..
Regarding the CCT, if I ask the dealer to change it; would it be "as safe as "an Gen 2?

This is the bike im writing about:

https://www.blocket.se/helsingborg/Yamaha_XT1200Z_Supertenere_81688986.htm?ca=23_6&w=3

Grateful for any help!

//Henrik

D**n thats alot! Well.. I just called the dealer and told him I wanted the bike! So I guess Im picking up sometimes this week ;-)

congratulations ,very reliable bike

 

[7kings]

Congratulations - I'm sure you're going to love it.

 

[Sierra1]

Congratulations on your new ride. There are many guys here with Gen 1s, with & without a new CCT. They'll tell you that they still love their bikes.

 

[EricV]

Wont blame you if it breaks lol but I should be ok to change it combined with the next service, lets say to spring at perhaps 20000km? When its changed, Will the problem be gone forever? Regarding the rattle, is it just annoying or does it affect the parts, like more wear n tear?

I had one of the first CCT failures on my 2012 Super Tenere. I had 83k miles at that time. Yes, it's absolutely fine to just have the CCT replaced at your next big service, 26k miles when the valves need to be checked/re-shimmed. The possibility of a CCT failure will be greatly reduced with the new part. There is no Gen II CCT, Yamaha superseded the part number, so there is only one CCT in the system for the Super Tenere. It's been improved twice since 2010, and no reported failures have occurred since the first improvement.

Some rattle on the right upper side of the engine during cold start ups is normal. Oil pressure is part of what tensions the cam chain, so until full oil pressure comes up, the chain rattles a little. If it goes on for more than 5 seconds or so, that is an indication that the CCT is failing. You will get more noise, for longer, before it actually allows cam chain slippage. In most cases, quite a bit more noise that lasts noticeably longer for perhaps 5-10 cold starts before it may fail. No one has suffered a failure under 34k miles, most being well over 50k miles.

Congrats on the new to you bike at a good price! Ride it and enjoy the more upright riding position and fun places it will take you. And welcome fo the forum.

 

[Longdog Cymru]

Welcome to the Forum and congratulations on your soon-to-be new bike!

 

[Nikolajsen]

Welcome
Change the CCT and you will be fine.
(gen2 have some other improvements, but I guess you know about that?)

 

[WJBertrand]

I wonder if you could convince the dealer to change the CCT as a part of the sale deal? Then you don't have to address it later. I think in some cases Yamaha has covered the costs as good will gesture.

 

[EricV]

I wonder if you could convince the dealer to change the CCT as a part of the sale deal? Then you don't have to address it later. I think in some cases Yamaha has covered the costs as good will gesture.

It's not really needed now, it's highly unlikely there is anything wrong with the current CCT at 17k miles. And Yamaha USA has replaced some as goodwill gestures, not Yamaha Sweden, which is an entirely different organization.

This is really not an issue. I didn't notice any increase in rattle for nearly 80k miles on my 2012. Choosing to replace it at a regular service interval makes sense and honestly, there's no hurry!

 

[Constrictor]

Thanks for all your answers!! Seems like a really nice forum!

I just got home, minor detours on some forest paths to take som shots! I love the riding position, cant say I hear any rattles, gearbox is great, i have a taller screen with an extra plastic thingy on top, and thoose two plastic parts above the blinkers so compared to the MT-01 it was a dream to ride! Probably ride 90 kilometres on my way home. Didnt get a CCT upgrade, the salesman said that ppl (like me lol) get hysterical when a bike breaks, but compared to how many manufactured its nothing to worry about.. well im gonna change it at the next service.. when is that btw? As I wrote it has 11180 miles on it and it just had a maintanance..

Yes! Read about the improvements on the gen2 but man, theese bikes are expensive here..

Well! Thx again folks and im looking forward to get to know you all!

//Henrik

 

[Dogdaze]

Your regular service schedule is in the handbook, every 12 months or 10000kms, then the valve inspection is at 40k kms, so a while to go yet. I would also get the throttle body sync'd at the next service if there is a need. Enjoy.

 

[Constrictor]

Thx for reply!
Throttle body sync - roger! Will keep it in mind! I did get the "service-journal" (with the stamps) but the prevous owner had lost the manual, but acording to the salesman Yamaha will put it up on their website soon.

The bike has been "flashed" at this very dealer, at least one upgrade I dont have to pay for! ;-)

 

[EricV]

Most of the scheduled services are for visual inspection on various items and an oil/filter change. Read what will actually be done before you take it in. I don't know if you are required to use dealer service to maintain any warranty there. Probably not an issue at the bike's current age. So you likely could do your own service if you are comfortable with that. Schedule calls for oil changes every 10k kms, (6200 miles), for the EU, but in the US they call for them every 4k miles. It's just a even number thing. I split the difference and do it every 5k miles.

Do what makes you happy!

 

[tallpaul]

Congratulations on the new (to you) bike. Heated socks are a good cure for cold feet...

 

[sasko]

Hi!

Henrik here from Sweden, didnt even had the time to introduce myself cause im in a hurry ;-)

Im switching bikes from my MT-01 to an adventure bike, cant stand the position/vibrations etc! Anyway!

A dealer nearby has an 2011 Tenere, 1 owner, full history, nice extras, good conditions and i test rode it yesterday, seemed fine. Got a descent price for my MT and this bike is for sale for 9k (which is a good price here in Sweden, not many are for sale and many has twice the milage for the same money)

This example has 11180 miles on it (18000 km) and everything seemed ok, even spoke with previous owner. BUT; yesterday night I found out about the problems with the CCT

Sure it makes alot of noice, but nothing that alarmed me! But should i be worried? Well yes, I guess.. Theese bikes are rarely for sale, and not for this price.. The closest one in price, thats a 2015 is 2 grand more, and a hellova ride away and I dont even know if theyll take my old bike..
Regarding the CCT, if I ask the dealer to change it; would it be "as safe as "an Gen 2?

This is the bike im writing about:

https://www.blocket.se/helsingborg/Yamaha_XT1200Z_Supertenere_81688986.htm?ca=23_6&w=3

Grateful for any help!

//Henrik

Have 2013 s10 and 110 000 km , everything runs perfect, didn't change anything,


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