Tenere Tyre Consumption thread

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Dunno what OEM tyres all bikes come with, mine arrived with Tourance EXP's and nearly 6mm of tread on them (150 miles on the bike)

At a mere 2500 miles the rear is at just over 2mm and I can't see it getting much past 3,000 miles :exclaim:

Not sure if these are "special" tyres or exactly the same as Tourance EXP's off the shelf but I sure hope other tyres fare better, managed to pick up an almost new part worn rear for half the cost of new so that should see out the front and get me through the rest of the British "Summer", I then have some part worn Roadsmarts to get me through the Winter.

Definately won't be going back to these EXP's though :exclaim:

Roadsmart 2's or TR91's for me next, depending if I fancy the off-road look, although I have heard TR91's don't last too long either.
 

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Mine came with Tourance EXP's from the factory, too...

And I'm on my fourth rear one, second front one, now - with another full set waiting on the shelf to put on in the next 2,000 miles or so.

I've got over 20,000 miles on my S-10, and I average about 5,500 miles out of the rear EXP's, and could probably get more than twice that out of the fronts, but I simply swap the fronts every-other rear tire change. I should note two things... One, I always have made sure I have gotten the Super Ténéré specific EXP's (there really is a difference), and I change rear tires just as they hit the wear bars. I do *NOT* run them down to no-tread levels. It's just not worth it to me.

I should also mention that I do *NOT* ride gently (over 22 years of MX racing along with 10 years of road racing thrown in, too, in over 4 decades of riding), and I'm no lightweight. With many tires on some of my other bikes I rarely get 2,500 miles out of tires, so I think the Tourance EXP's do wonderfully.

I do run my tires at, or near, the max inflation pressures (42 rear, 33 front), never running less than 39 rear, 31 front, and I check tire pressures regularly - and often - with a good, accurate gauge.

One thing to consider is the road surfaces you ride on. Pavement/Tarmac varies wildly from place to place, and some is much more abrasive that others.

Just FYI... YMMV.

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Mine came with the OEM Bridgestone Battlewing's. I just changed them last night at ~10,500 miles. Both tires had some tread left, but not much on the rear. I'm generally do pretty well on bike tires though, FWIW.
 

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Mikef5000 said:
Mine came with the OEM Bridgestone Battlewing's. I just changed them last night at ~10,500 miles. Both tires had some tread left, but not much on the rear. I'm generally do pretty well on bike tires though, FWIW.
Amazing, I only got 5700 out of the bw"s.
 

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Found a link to this tyre test on another forum:-

http://www.motorcyclerider.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/adventurebike_tyres_test.pdf

A great article covering the major tyres from pure road tyres, through Dual Purpose and off-road options, it makes interesting reading, and as it is raining again I have compiled the results:-

Wear,

They did not wear test all the road tyres, nor the more off-road options, but the main contenders fared like this, I calculated mileage based on the wear rate being the same as they got for 1800 miles (3k) and assuming you change at 1mm (rounded to nearest 500m)

Trail Attack - 15k :question: (I bet it wears well to begin and then vanishes)
Annakee 2 - 8.5k
Scorpion - 8k
TR91 - 8k
Pilot Road 3 - 7k
Battlewing - 7k
Tourance Exp 6k

Well it looks like my poor wear is likely to be due to the worst wearing tyre on the planet :eek:

Grip (Lap Times)

For grip (or at least lap times) the Road Attack is quite a bit ahead, then a whole load of tyres come in together. The RA is also 3rd in the wet times and on combined time is fastest, a pity there was no wear test as if it looks likely to last even fairly well would be the pick of the bunch.

The Roadsmart was joint second in Dry (tied with TR91 and Trail Attack) and fastest in the wet, I think this is the Roadsmart 2 (as the tread pattern in the picture looks different to that of the old Roadsmart 1 in my garage) The TR91 was second fastest in the wet giving Dunlop a nice 1-2 in wet grip, the Trail attack was a dissapoining 8th in the wet.

Those four tyres all look to be pick of the bunch to me, the TA can be forgiven poor wet performance in view of its long life.

Beyond these tyres the rest are not as good on grip, the Scorpion hangs in a second behind the joint second tyres and then Annakee, Tourance and BT-023 come in together another second back, the 023 seems crap in the wet, but the others look acceptable wet or dry.

The battlewing and Annakee look quite poor in comparison, the annakee gets a reprieve for decent wet grip (4th) and long life (2nd) but the Battlewing just looks outclassed these days being at the back for almost everything (where it was second from last)

Dry times:-

Road Attack - 1.46
Roadsmart - 1.48
Trail Attack - 1.48
TR91 - 1.48
Scorpion 1.49
BT-023 - 1.50
Annakee 2 - 1.50
Tourance Exp - 1.50
Battlewing - 1.52
Pilot Road 3 - 1.55

Still nothing is as awful as the PR3's dry grip, and it seems Michelins claims of best wet grip in class are not upheld, although these have done well in tests on superbikes, which I guess they were designed for, the smaller sizes seem not to work so well. Last in dry, 6th in wet and as the only road tyre they tested the life on it was only in 5th place for that.


Wet times

Roadsmart - 1.33
TR91 - 1.34
Road Attack - 1.35
Annakee 2 - 1.37
Tourance EXP 1.38
Scorpion - 1.39
PR 3 - 1.39
Trail Attack - 1.40
BT 023 - 1.42
Battlewing - 1.42

For the most part the better tyres worked well wet or dry, and decent grip does not have to come at the expense of tyre life, combined lap times put the tyres in this order (life in brackets)

Roadsmart (NA)
Road Attack (NA)
TR91 (4th)
Annakee 2 (2nd)
Tourance Exp (7th)
Scorpion (3rd)
Trail Attack (1st)
BT-023 (NA)
Pilot Road 3 (5th)
Battlewing (6th)

A pity the first two tyres were not tested for mileage, of the Dual Purpose tyres the TR91 looks best for those seeking grip (and fair wear) and the Annakees if you want a slightly better life, but for an extra 500 miles on a pair I would take the TR's, and if you really want mileage it has to be the Trail Attack.

I know anything that does not outlast a Tourance is not for me so it will probably come down to what deals are on Roadsmarts, TR91's and Road Attacks next time I need a new set.
 

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Mine came with Tourance EXP. Rear was worn at 4220km. Replaced with aDunlop Trail Max. Original front and Trailmax were changed at 11100 km. for Tourance (not EXP). Front and rear again changed at 19500 km for tourance again. Very happy with these. S10 now showing 25600km with 2.5 mm thread remaining on the rear and 4mm. showing on the front. ::015:: ::015::
 

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Re: Re: Tenere Tyre Consumption thread

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Mine came with Tourance EXP's from the factory, too...

And I'm on my fourth rear one, second front one, now - with another full set waiting on the shelf to put on in the next 2,000 miles or so.

I've got over 20,000 miles on my S-10, and I average about 5,500 miles out of the rear EXP's, and could probably get more than twice that out of the fronts, but I simply swap the fronts every-other rear tire change. I should note two things... One, I always have made sure I have gotten the Super Ténéré specific EXP's (there really is a difference), and I change rear tires just as they hit the wear bars. I do *NOT* run them down to no-tread levels. It's just not worth it to me.

I should also mention that I do *NOT* ride gently (over 22 years of MX racing along with 10 years of road racing thrown in, too, in over 4 decades of riding), and I'm no lightweight. With many tires on some of my other bikes I rarely get 2,500 miles out of tires, so I think the Tourance EXP's do wonderfully.

I do run my tires at, or near, the max inflation pressures (42 rear, 33 front), never running less than 39 rear, 31 front, and I check tire pressures regularly - and often - with a good, accurate gauge.

One thing to consider is the road surfaces you ride on. Pavement/Tarmac varies wildly from place to place, and some is much more abrasive that others.

Just FYI... YMMV.

Dallara



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5500 mls is cca 9000km, and with yr style that's fine. Not to mention that lot of people will still make 200mls out of them.

Mine rear EXP was new when i went with my wife to Alps a month ago. After 3400km (2100mls) EXP is still like new - fully loaded,two up half alpine road, half 150km/h.

Great tire!

Front one is Bridge that came with bike. Don't ask me why i ride different tires...long story.

Front one is at 9000km ( Karoo's where on for 3kkm). Still looking good.




Btw, great tire...



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I changed from Exp's which came with the bike to Roadsmarts. I managed 6k with the exp's, but they were mangled by that time.

Most of my riding is dual carriageway and motorway so dual purpose tyres are a waste. I liked the roadsmarts best on my FJR and so far love them on the s10. Just passing 13k and reckon I can get another 2k out of this set, but it seems tyre wear accelerates as they wear.

I also ran PR2, 021, 023GT's and conti motions on the FJR with the 023 not being to bad, just not as good as the RS. The conti motions were the worset tyre I've ever had the misfortune to use. Ripped to pieces in less than 3k and no wet grip. I've never had a bike spin up so much before. The 021 ridged the front tyre badly after 2k and weren't up to much.

I've used Conti trail attacks on my Capo and they've been better than expected, considering how bad the motion was. Would consider them if the price was right, but still prefer the RS over all the others.
 

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I took the stock Battlewings off at 6,240 miles; they were NOT done. The front actually was closer to the wear bars - I thought it had 1,000 miles or so in it yet. The rear might have had more. I ran them at 36-38 front, 40-42 rear, and the bike was near max load for the entire time. I'm 300 lbs, and I figured 100-120 lbs gear and farkles on the rig. I changed tires because I was 4,000 miles from home and it was time to go! The front K60 now has (you guessed it) 4,000 miles, and the slightly used Trail Attack rear is crowding 5,000. I'm mounting the rear K60 to the new rim and keeping the TA. The front K60 looks new - probably has 80% tread - and I anticipate good life out of this set of skins.
 

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Mine came with Tourance new. Mounted K60's at 4600 miles and changed to TR's at 11700 miles. Now have 15200 miles and TR's are my favorite so far especially in the wet. Won't last as long as K60's but grip better including my type of off pavement riding.
 

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First off, I really don't have a dog in this fight... I don't own stock in any of the tire manufacturers, nor do I get any special "deal" on any of them! :D

And I certainly think each rider should pick what tire they think is best for them...

That said, I think it's important to consider a couple of points. First, it's rather dubious to accept any magazine or publication's "tests" as gospel. Just as some magazines have panned and ridiculed the Yamaha Super Tenere while others have given it positive reviews, so goes the same with tires. I do find it rather interesting (and somewhat suspicious) that a German publication pronounces the only German tire in the test as the "winner"... (Don't forget that Metzler is owned by Pirelli) Seems oddly similar to how German publications tend to always pick BMW as the winner in any comparison test. I also find it rather odd that the Metzler and Pirelli scored so differently in the testing posted above. After all, the Metzler and the Pirelli are essentially identical tires, with identical rubber compounds. Pirelli differentiates the two brands from each other with minor tread differences, but in all other aspects they are essentially the same tire. Why did they score so differently? Subjective bias? Testing protocol? A bad set of one brand? Who knows?

Another important thing is who were the riders? Some riders just don't like the *feel* of certain tires, while others love them... Witness Tony Elias never being able to come to grips (no pun intended) with the Bridgestones in MotoGP last year. I know when I was road racing I never found a Michelin I liked, while other riders excelled on them. I was most definitely a Dunlop guy (this was back in the late '70's and early '80's), and I liked the way they *felt* much better than any Michelin, and as such went faster on them. In some endurance races where the team I rode for had Michelin rubber I could adjust and turn competitive lap times, but I never really liked them. Here I like the Metzler Tourance EXP's, but in the past one tire I always *HATED* was the Metzler Z6. Again, one tire may *feel* great to one rider and *feel* horrible to another... It has everything to do with riding style, experience, how you ride, and where you ride (more on that in a moment).

By the same token some motorcycles react entirely differently to a given set of tires... Using the MotoGP analogy again, just look at how the current Yamaha M-1 according to all reports works wonderfully on the current Bridgestone tires available, while the Honda RCV's have continual trouble with chatter on the same tires, and the Ducati can't make the front Bridgestones *worK* and get up to temp. Likewise, I have had race cars that simply would not work, no matter what we did, on one tire yet work fantastically on another. And again, when I was racing both MX and road racing there were bikes that just didn't like one tire and excelled on another. Weight distribution, rake, trail, steering head angle, swingarm angle, suspension linkage rate, frame stiffness (in three different axes), spring rates, damping rates, etc., etc., etc. as well as even power characteristics all greatly influence how a given motorcycle works with a given tire.

Take another example... Where Ducati says their own traction control system on the new Panigalé only works correctly with specific Pirelli tires.

Regarding tire mileage and wear in that test posted above... What was the mileage criteria? Did they simply measure how much each tire wore in, say, 2,000 miles? Or did they run each one until the wear bars showed? Until cord showed? Until exactly the same point *YOU* would change your tire?

In my experience motorcycle tires tend to wear at wildly different rates across their tread life. Some wear a bunch right at first, then settle down to a more linear rate, while others (like a Metzler Z6) wear fairly evenly for a while, then, all of a sudden, when it *looks* like you have 2,000 miles left on the tire it wears itself away incredibly fast, hitting cords instead in less than 500 miles!

Then there is pavement/tarmac, or concrete, or whatever surface is most prevalent in your riding area... Even very subtle differences in pavement composition can have dramatic effects on tire mileage and grip. Most certainly skid pads, testing facilities, and race tracks, where a lot of magazine tire testing is done, have different surface compositions than your home riding area. For instance, concrete freeways are incredibly abrasive and wear tires at a horrific rate. On the other hand, not-too-old, yet nicely seasoned asphalt of certainly composition is very gentle on your tires. Oil content, rock aggregate, aggregate size, sand, etc. in the pavement mix all have a bearing on how your tires will wear, and this composition differs not just from country to country, but state to state or province to province inside a country, and often even varies across town. It often helps to learn a little bit about the pavement make-up in your riding areas in order to make a better tire choice.

Basically my point in all this is take *ANY* magazine comparison test, regardless of country, with quite a large grain of salt. And even if they have reasonably scientific testing protocol and criteria unless they are testing those tires on the very *SAME* motorcycle you own, with reasonably the same equipment, loading, and set-up, etc... then you still may have entirely different results than they do, and certainly the tires they love may *feel* very, very different to you. And where they tested the tires has a *HUGE* bearing on the results.

IMHO, the very best place to learn about tires is from the manufacturers themselves, second to that from forums such as these, and third from experienced riders and shops in *YOUR* own area. In very little time you will learn what works best around where you live, and on bikes like yours with riders who ride like you.

Of course... All that is just my opinion, nothing more. YMMV. (no pun intended) ;)

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Wooow... A mega post. All true!

Can i add something...

For example, my EXP was returned by some guy, claiming faulty construction. He rode it on Aprilia Caponord for 200mls, and he felt strong vibes above 100mls/h.
Tire was inspected by Metz. inspector, who gave 100% refund to the shop owner, and therefore a new one to the customer.
The owner of the shop (Pirelli/Metz importer fo Croatia)is a friend of mine and said to me "wanna try it?". Mine BW was badly damaged in off road(cut on the side wall) so i took a chance. They put it on and i went for a test. After 30mls of testing it, i came back and asked him "how much i own you?" well i bought a six pack. :) Cca 2500mls later i still love the tire.


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No test will be perfect, here you had same bikes on the same day on the same roads, but with different riders, even travelling in formation one guys style could be harder on tyres, even rotating riders does not ensure consistency as mr heavy hand may be on one bike on twisties and be hard on the tyre and then swap to another bike for a steadier cruising stretch.

I agree some riders prefer the feel of one tyre over another comparing to MotoGP is not ideal as these guys and bikes are all on the very edge and within a nats cock of each other anyway, tyres at 50 degree plus lean angles at those speeds are very different to road tyres.

When you get a group of people say similar things it is better than buying blind, lap times give a good indication of grip / feel, but if the tester is muh faster than you the feel of a tyre at his pace may be different to the feel you get at your pace - but the times give an indication of grip and capability and I would rather have one of the tyres with a good wet lap time rather than the slowest wet tyre regardless of any other factors such as how it wears.

Roadsmarts have been praised universally since launch, especially in the wet and other TR91 tests have all been very positive, so this backs up what others have said.

As tests go it looked quite comprehensive and better than most, the wear was only measured over 3,000km's so the wear profile of the tyres could mean quite a different end result - for example I doubt the Trail Attack really lasts twice as long as the rest, but compared to many tyre tests which involve one or two ex-racers spanking around a dry track this was a fine effort.

I personally hated Annkee 2's when I rode a GS loaner with them on, felt awful to me and I would never buy them, I have tended to be happy with Dunlops, Pirreli's and Bridgestones in the past, but the Battlewing came last (and on my GS they felt a bit low on grip) so there out.

Roadsmart / TR91 / Road Attack all come in the top half so I will probably go with one of them, and probably a Dunlop as I historically have liked them, but had the PR3 wiped the floor with everything in this review I may have considered a pair - in fact this review has gauranteed I won't bother with them.
 

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Mikef5000 said:
Mine came with the OEM Bridgestone Battlewing's. I just changed them last night at ~10,500 miles. Both tires had some tread left, but not much on the rear. I'm generally do pretty well on bike tires though, FWIW.
How do you guys do this? I just changed out my Battlewings at about 11,000 km. The front was down to the wear bars and the rear had dangerously little rubber left in the center (if the BW's had tread in the center, even the wear bars would have been gone). I suppose having my mondo side cases on for about 3000 km of the total distance made a difference, but I'm thinking some of you must really be gentle with your acceleration and braking.
 

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Tenerator12 said:
How do you guys do this? I just changed out my Battlewings at about 11,000 km. The front was down to the wear bars and the rear had dangerously little rubber left in the center (if the BW's had tread in the center, even the wear bars would have been gone). I suppose having my mondo side cases on for about 3000 km of the total distance made a difference, but I'm thinking some of you must really be gentle with your acceleration and braking.

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Hi folks,

I had Battlewings on my 1200 GS and did not like them, but I am getting along really well with them on the S10. This has shown me that the same tyre can feel totally different on another bike. May seem obvious to you guys, but it was a little surprising for me.

I also had some Michelin PRs on the GS... Great on the road but really scary riding across a wet camp site. Really freaked me it just HOW bad they were on grass.

I am not sure where I will go next with tyres on the S10. Unless I really hear great things from people on alternatives I will probably stick with the BWs.

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Tenerator12 said:
How do you guys do this? I just changed out my Battlewings at about 11,000 km. The front was down to the wear bars and the rear had dangerously little rubber left in the center (if the BW's had tread in the center, even the wear bars would have been gone). I suppose having my mondo side cases on for about 3000 km of the total distance made a difference, but I'm thinking some of you must really be gentle with your acceleration and braking.
I weigh under 150 lbs fully geared up, and don't ride with luggage (yet), so that probably helps.

I am excited to see what I get with the K60's I just put on!
 

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I do find it rather interesting (and somewhat suspicious) that a German publication pronounces the only German tire in the test as the "winner"... (Don't forget that Metzler is owned by Pirelli) Seems oddly similar to how German publications tend to always pick BMW as the winner in any comparison test.

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