The battery was the same one that came with the bike. Never been replaced.Don in Lodi said:
We were after the effect, not the cause. We know that cranking the starter was the cause, what did it effect. Did the battery burst? Did the cables have a arc at the battery or starter bringing about an open flame. Did the entire length of cable insulation ignite. And I too don't see how a regulator would figure into a start-up scenario, melt down while running, absolutely, not while cranking. It's all hypothesis. Short of having Checkswrecks fly out there and take a look, it's all just a puzzle for the mind.KCW said:
They're going to give you a 2016? Awesome. Maybe mine could catch fire too?KCW said:
Good luck with the suing thing...... Nowhere do they state that you must hang on the starter for a minute plus until it starts. Just be real happy that you are safe and that Yamaha is stepping up.KCW said:
Only problems is.... this doesn't work.KCW said:
With a wet combustion chamber, I don't see how it can. It's nice that they've laid out a procedure, but it happens so seldom, I don't know that it can have actually been tested very often. And it's really really nice that they've pin pointed a glitch in the software, I'll be in line for the reflash, but wouldn't said glitch rear it's ugly head more often? For me it's three hard starts and two stalls in four years, 33 days and 50k. Doesn't seem like programming. I'll be watching the Forum for news, that's for sure.markjenn said:
I am not as mechanically oriented as many of you. With that said, if it's not programming, what is it? It seems that the consensus is that the hard start is caused by a flooded motor. So, I must ask, what causes the motor to be flooded, if it's not the programming?Don in Lodi said:
My only problem with it being the programming is that the ecm is actually pretty stupid. It does what it's told, the same way, every time. If it was programming it would/should cause the problem a whole lot more often. Maybe it has the potential to do it every time, the scenario just has to be perfect for it to happen. Key cycled, very short run time, whatever it is, the injectors are dropping some extra fuel when they shouldn't. Maybe at that one perfect point the ecm is putting voltage to the injectors when it shouldn't. Dunno. As with most things diagnostic, it has to happen right in front of you while you're watching the exact right spot for anything to be done about it. Or have a history with a particular failure; if A happens, B could be the cause. It's a damn PIA, but it's been interesting to say the least.SPX said:
I'd say it was the smoke and fire that got Yamaha's attention.... not so much the hard start. They know about hard starting for several years.True Grip said:
true but continued operation will heat the weak parts in the route to the starter which are any connectors and the starter relay contacts, I guess at some point either the cable or relay insulation or some other combustible material its mounted against will catch fire, its worth remembering that the feed to the starter on most cars and bikes has no fuse, so it will turn over and over until you either flatten the battery or give yourself a serious issue2daMax said:
Somewhere on this forum I wrote a big ole explanation of this. see if you can find it because all the answers are there.SPX said:
