Spooning New Tires

Chuck B

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RED CAT said:
After its all over use a black felt marker to touch up where you scuffed the rim. Cheap and easy fix. As for spooning tires on and off, I find the hardest part is breaking the bead. I usually use a shovel with a strait edge or have used a 2x4 and run up it with a vehicle for those really stubborn beads. Then for getting tires on and off, the secret is lots of lube and 3 tire irons and rim protectors. Dish wash liquid and water for lube. Needless to say, I wouldn't bother doing tire changes in the field.
Aerostich.com sells their version of bead breaker that I use in the garage. MotionPro sells one I carry in my fanny pack (BeadPro). RuGlyde from Napa (sold in 1 gal container behind the counter) is for farm equipment tire installation..works well on MC tires.
 

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I've always believed that it's tough to beat a man at his own game, so I'm glad to pay the extra bit to have a trained tech mount my street bike tires on a purpose-built machine. Not living with dinged rims is worth it to me.
 

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These discussions remind me of the ones I see on bicycle forums about changing tires - all sorts of foolproof tricks and admonishments that good technique makes any tire change easy..... that has not been my experience in changing hundreds of tires by hand, both in the shop and out in the field. Sometimes the gizmos and tricks work.... sometimes not. There is a lot of variability in tire diameter, stiffness, temperature, etc. and sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you.

Unless you don't mind terribly gouged-up rims, you want rim protection anyplace metal might be touching the rim. For a true dirt bike with tubes, it's mainly a cosmetic consideration, but for a bike like the S10 with tubeless tires, you want to avoid anything that is going to gouge up the bead seating area. I mainly use the snap-on plastic rim protectors, but occasionally they're a bit bulky to use on the final "bite" of the levers.... in this case, I use a piece of scrap plastic cut from something like a 2-lter soda bottle.

- Mark
 

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trikepilot said:
Thanks. I am well acquainted with tire irons, tire machines, and just how tires go on an off rims - been doing it for quite some time.

But if OK with you, I think I will still indulge myself the $2 extravagance to see just how the zip tie method can work on these knobbies.
My post wasn't aimed at you, it was just my opinion and as always anything you want to do is OK with me. Let us know how it works out.
 

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Just so you know, the Motion Pro bead breaker will not work on tires with tough sidewalls like the popular Heidenau Scout. After on experience with that tire, I purchased a Cycle Hill changer. Now I have lots of new friends.

Jeff
 

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Tire changing is more science than art. Still people grapple with it. I used to dread the ordeal until I took the time to understand the process. The rim's drop center is your friend and like anything else, once you understand what you're dealing with the relationship deepens and is much more friendly. To begin, I often greet the wheeel/tire with the yoga term of Namaste. Then a little warmth, a dab of lube, some patience, the right tools and the tire almost slides on. Yet there are times when you just have to walk away from it for a few minutes (or hours) then start the relationship over with no hard feelings.

When done correctly it's quite gratifying.

Namaste and peace be with you brother.
 

Chuck B

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Tippo said:
Just so you know, the Motion Pro bead breaker will not work on tires with tough sidewalls like the popular Heidenau Scout. After on experience with that tire, I purchased a Cycle Hill changer. Now I have lots of new friends.

Jeff
No problem breaking the bead on 3yr old F & R tires on my Vulcan classic or K60 on my S10.. They offer a longer version made of steal for shop type usage.
 

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It all depends on the tire and wheel brand. You can put a soft sided Avon on a Harley rim with your bare hands, but it's a different world when you grab a Dunlop Elite 3 and a GL1800 rear rim. I still have a set of tire irons I bought from Beck/Arnley back in the early 70's.
 

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I tried the Zip Tie method on a Full Bore tire I put on my VStrom. Didn't work for crap. Not with that tire at least. So I spooned it on with no big deal. Haven't found a tire yet that I couldn't spoon on with a little effort. Now breaking the bead on the other hand is another story. That is by far the hardest part and I usually end up ruining the old tire doing it. No good method for me there. But I keep trying...
 

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I find the breaking of the bead the easiest part :).

I use a 6 foot 2 by 4 and 10 inch 2by 4 and my car trailer hitch like a fulcrum lever to pop that bead, easy peasy.
I put the short piece vertically on the bead and the long piece under the hitch and on top of the short piece and with the other end pull down. Never fails . Of course this is at home not in the field.
 

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search local craigslist for a used coates 220. found one many years ago and never looked back. Did spend the cash for a no mar bar but even with the bar final price still below $200. if you find one buy it...you will not regret it.
 

trikepilot

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Just searched for the Coates220 - nice looking machine!! But at $1200 new and the NoMar bar for $125 new - you got a hell of a deal at $200 all in!!!

Last month, I found on CL a used but brand new HarborFreight tire changer that came with the NoMar bar and lube tub for $140. I had to buy the Mojo blocks for $30 so I have almost what you have in your Coats setup but my rig is cheap chinese junk. That notwithstanding... I was surprised when the HF setup worked as well as it did. I had the old BigBlock rear off in under two minutes. And then after watching the NoMar instructional video online once, the Mitas e09 went on like butter. Amazing!! The Mitas e09 is a Dakar tire with a burly carcass that is by far the stiffest tire I have yet encountered. I have three notoriously burly tires(K60, BB, e09) available to do a side-by-side comparison. When laid on the pavement and stepped on - the K60 sidewall folds very easily under not even full bodyweight. The BB takes closer to full bodyweight. And the e09 holds its shape without collapsing under full bodyweight. Yet the leverage from the NoMar bar was akin to cheating when getting the stiff e09 on the rear Tenere rim. I figure that after around three tire changes, my HF rig will have paid for itself.
 
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