S10 Cruise Control

[nchristi]

bit expensive but interesting.

http://www.mccruise.com/collections/yamaha/products/50

Or by hand...

http://users.tpg.com.au/roger38//Rostra%20XT1200Z.htm

 

[Karson]

I forget who's running one of these, but they're a regular poster here on the board. I'm sure they'll chime in and give their opinion. I'm just using a Kayoko manual throttle lock, but this would be sweet, too.

 

[EJV]

I did this:

http://users.tpg.com.au/roger38//Rostra%20XT1200Z.htm

$200 ish US is better than 1000 AU.

A few hours, done!

It works great! It is also "electric" and NOT Vacuum; smaller, less parts.

 

[Rasher]

Paid a tenner for mine

http://www.throttlemate.co.uk/

It is a copy of a US based unit, can't remember what it is called but they are dirt cheap.

 

[protondecay123]

That 10 quid is about right. They are $20 in the US.

http://www.2wheelride.com/throttle_pro.html

I did McCruise on my FJR. I like this much better. Install? 5 seconds Price ~ $20 ::026::

 

[Aggie85]

bit expensive but interesting.

http://www.mccruise.com/collections/yamaha/products/50

Or by hand...

http://users.tpg.com.au/roger38//Rostra%20XT1200Z.htm

I have a McCruise on my S10! I had one on my FJR also and I couldn't imagine a bike without it!

It is EXPENSIVE, but it has allowed me to enjoy my ST so much that I sold my BMW K1300GT!

Have a GREAT WEEKEND!

TCR

 

[Dallara]

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There's about to be a new entry in the throttle lock/cruise control marketplace for your Super Ténéré...

Development is still ongoing, but it should be ready for ordering soon. I've been involved some in that development, and I can easily say this wonderful little device is vastly superior to both the Kaoko and Throttlemeister (I've used both on other bikes, and the Kaoko on the S-10). It's not electronic or vacuum operated (or dependent), but then it won't cost as much and installation is in minutes, not hours.

Stay tuned... ::017::

Dallara



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[52edub]

::017:: Looks interesting

 

[CREnorth]

Yeah, very interesting. Can't wait to see more info on it. ::008::

 

[johnwanders]

I like seeing your reflection in it. If I buy this will it be mone or yours?
Please keep us posted!!

 

[EricV]

Cruise control serves a different purpose than a throttle lock. Both have value, in different situations. I like the cheap and easy VistaCruise throttle lock and have used them for a long time, and have one on the S10. (just used the Yamaha dual cable version and made a small tab to retain the unit that prevents rotation)

My wife has a McCruise on her F650GS. It's a nice quality unit, but we've had some water related issues with it where it stopped working. I have voiced concerns on the forum before about it not being weather proof for the S10 due to our more open fairing layout and where the ECU of the unit is located.

@TCR - How many miles have you had the McCruise installed on the S10? And have you used it/ridden in biblical rain and had it continue to function normally?

I desire a CC unit for the S10, but will probably do the Rostra, in part for the cost, and in part for the electronic Vs vacuum aspect.

I really want to take a look at how the Triumph Explorer manages it's factory CC with their throttle by wire. If it's making use of that and the speed sensor instead of adding extra cables, that would be very nice.

 

[Aggie85]

Cruise control serves a different purpose than a throttle lock. Both have value, in different situations. I like the cheap and easy VistaCruise throttle lock and have used them for a long time, and have one on the S10. (just used the Yamaha dual cable version and made a small tab to retain the unit that prevents rotation)

My wife has a McCruise on her F650GS. It's a nice quality unit, but we've had some water related issues with it where it stopped working. I have voiced concerns on the forum before about it not being weather proof for the S10 due to our more open fairing layout and where the ECU of the unit is located.

@TCR - How many miles have you had the McCruise installed on the S10? And have you used it/ridden in biblical rain and had it continue to function normally?

I desire a CC unit for the S10, but will probably do the Rostra, in part for the cost, and in part for the electronic Vs vacuum aspect.

I really want to take a look at how the Triumph Explorer manages it's factory CC with their throttle by wire. If it's making use of that and the speed sensor instead of adding extra cables, that would be very nice.

EricV.

I now have 8050 miles with the McCruise! I have only ridden the ST through minor rain so far. I had a McCruise on my FJR and when it (FJR) wasn't having electrical problems, the McCruise worked very well in heavy rains! I guess only time will tell.

The reason I picked the McCruise over having a different electronic cruise control installed was experience with Yamaha. When my FJR started developing electrical problems (2 years before Yamaha finally recalled and fixed the problem), they kept blaming my Audiovoxx cruise control which was installed by the legendary Smitty!

If it ever rains hard again here in Texas, I will test it out and get back to you!

Best Regards,

TCR

 

[EricV]

Thank you for the input TCR. ::008:: Appreciated. Even more so if you do find that rain to ride in. ;D I think the McCruise system works very well on full faired bikes like the FJR where weather protection of the electronics is not an issue. Hopefully it will continue to work well for you on the S10 for as long as you have it.

 

[stevepsd]

I have been talking with Murph's kits about the Rosta and the old-reliable Audiovox CCS-100 cruise control (vacuum operated) which I have had on another bike and it worked great.

Murph said straight out that he prefers the Audiovox CCS-100 (now made for Murphs) over the Rosta (which he sells as well) as it works better and is different footprint that *might* make it easier to find a place to mount, although there are two pieces (the cruise and a vacuum canister - which can be remoted anywhere where it will fit).

Sizes Rostra
5 .250" long plus a 3 inch snout
4.125" inch wide
3.25" inch tall


CCS
3.5" round
4.5" long with a 3 inch snout

Vacuum Canister:
4" long
3 3/4" wide
3 1/8" tall

http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=422

 

[EricV]

Good input Stevepsd. I sort of look at the Audiovox as Carbs, and the Rostra as EFI. The evolution continues, but nothing says both don't work. Carbs are 'softer', but just as effective, EFI is more crisp and precise, but sometimes sudden and harder to dial in just right.

 

[Dallara]

Cruise control serves a different purpose than a throttle lock. Both have value, in different situations...

No argument there, EricV...

I was literally raised in the car business, and spent a ton of time with auto cruise controls. Over the years I fiddled, futzed, and generally got frustrated trying to adapt auto cruise controls to motorcycles along the way in the '70's, '80's, '90's, to current. Honestly I was never fully satisfied with the results of any of those attempts, nor even with my installations of the Audiovox units. Never tried a Rostra, but essentially I always thought these universal car units, no matter how much effort went into trying to make them near a "factory" looking install or work like one, still appeared an afterthought... And opened the door for reliability issues on long trips - the last thing I ever thought I needed.

That's why I've always, at least so far, preferred a good, well made "throttle lock" of some kind. They're simple, reliable, easy to service in the field, and if they do have some sort of issue you can simply remove or disable 'em. I've used Vista-Cruises (and liked 'em), Kaokos, Throttlemeisters, as well as others. All were pretty good for the most part, and certainly a welcome relief on any really long trek. The one pictured above (and I'll be you know who makes it, EricV... ) is the best I've found so far.

As for Yamaha making cruise control on the Super Ténéré... It'd be a walk in the park for 'em. Everything is there, especially with the "throttle-by-wire". Speed sensors, RPM sensors, clutch switch, brake light switches, a stepper motor for the throttle butterflies on a concentric linkage with the throttle cables, the ECU always knows what gear the transmission is in, etc., etc., etc. If BMW, Harley, etc. can run cruise on their EFI bikes, so can Yamaha. Hell, Yamaha even had cruise on the ol' Royal Stars, and the Ventures before that. Granted, those were carbed bikes, but with the EFI bikes it would actually be much easier for the factory to do... Just some software programming, some wire, and some control switches. In fact, I have always been mystified that Yamaha didn't offer cruise on the FJR1300. Just doesn't make any sense when some of that bike's primary competition - i.e. several BMW models - have it. Yet Yamaha doesn't even offer cruise control as an option. Even if they wanted to be able to advertise at a lower price they could leave it off out-of-the-box and make it a profit-generating option.

Oh, well... I guess I'll just have to wait until Yamaha wakes up. ::017::

Meanwhile, I'll just have to stick to the throttle locks...

Dallara




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[fredz43]

While you are doing this research, you might consider leaving the vacuum cannister out. I installed the CCS-100 on 4 ST1300's and one Miata turbo with no vacuum cannister and they worked fine. The only difference was in my dip switch settings. Popular consensus was to set it for high power/low weight, which tells the controller to react slowly. By selecting the medium sensitivity setting, I found that they worked just fine with no vacuum cannister.

I have been talking with Murph's kits about the Rosta and the old-reliable Audiovox CCS-100 cruise control (vacuum operated) which I have had on another bike and it worked great.

Murph said straight out that he prefers the Audiovox CCS-100 (now made for Murphs) over the Rosta (which he sells as well) as it works better and is different footprint that *might* make it easier to find a place to mount, although there are two pieces (the cruise and a vacuum canister - which can be remoted anywhere where it will fit).

Sizes Rostra
5 .250" long plus a 3 inch snout
4.125" inch wide
3.25" inch tall


CCS
3.5" round
4.5" long with a 3 inch snout

Vacuum Canister:
4" long
3 3/4" wide
3 1/8" tall

http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=422

 

[EricV]

I never put a CC on the FJR. Probably wouldn't consider it for the S10 either, except for an 11 day ride I'm taking next year. I have found that for me, after 5-8 20 hour days of riding, the CC would have been helpful to avoid my speed creeping up at times. I had a couple of road side encounters in '10 that would have been avoided if I had not accidently let my speed creep up. One was simple, corn fields at night and massive amounts of deer. I was simply focused more on watching for deer than on watching my speed, on the interstate and in BFE Iowa with nothing much around but the corn fields, (stalks just cut down), and deer scan was taking a lot more of my attention than usual. The nice LEO understood, but still cited me. Second one was simply bad form on my part, very close to my destination and tired, let myself lose focus and the speed crept up when some headwind went away and I didn't realize it.

In both of these situations, the CC would have helped me maintain a selected speed and avoided a road side chat, and road taxes.

 

[Dallara]

I never put a CC on the FJR...

...In both of these situations, the CC would have helped me maintain a selected speed and avoided a road side chat, and road taxes.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, EricV...

But even with an Audiovox or Rostra cruise control you can still work the throttle, and hence have your speed creep up? At least that was the case with all my Audiovox installations, just like in a car.

Dallara



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[EricV]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, EricV...

But even with an Audiovox or Rostra cruise control you can still work the throttle, and hence have your speed creep up? At least that was the case with all my Audiovox installations, just like in a car.

Dallara
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Yes, it is possible to over ride any CC and increase your speed. Some systems will cancel the CC function if you increase over the set speed by a pre-determined margin, others simply return to the set speed when you release the throttle.

I have ridden with CC on different bikes, with the CC set, I have a more relaxed grip on the throttle, usually in the 'dead' or 'slack' spot that develops where the CC unit is maintaining speed. When you hit a hill, the throttle opens more, and the slack spot moves, but it's not difficult to allow the throttle to do it's own thing w/o over riding it or interfering with it.