Rode 2 new Gold Wings today- a short review

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I had the pleasure of taking demo rides on the new 2018 Honda Gold Wings today, both the 6 speed and the DCT models and have to say that they are both fantastic motorcycles. The DCT tour model especially was an incredible ride. The front suspension is unbelievably smooth. I could see the suspension moving up and down as I rode, yet nothing was transmitted to the bike, it just soaked up everything and gave the bike a very smooth ride. The 7-speed DCT is smooth as silk as it automatically shifts up and down. That bike had 4 drive modes, Tour, Sport, Econ, and Rain, which change engine performance as well as shift points, suspension damping, and front/rear ABS proportioning . While the Tour mode provides plenty of acceleration, the Sport mode really adds another dimension of performance. All in all, the handling, shifting, performance, and comfort combine to make this one incredible motorcycle. It has to be ridden to appreciate what an incredible job that Honda has done with the new Gold Wing. Thanks to Niehaus Cycle Sales for providing demo bikes for us to ride. In my case, I am totally blown away. I knew that Honda did a good job in designing the new Gold Wing, but had no idea that the final product was this good. I give it my official Freddie Z Seal of Approval.
 

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WJBertrand said:
If it’s good enough for famous Fred...


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Hi Jeff,

I was really surprised with that bike. I had a 2004 GL1800 for a year when I tried to make accommodations for my wife's knee injury. When that didn't work out, she gave up riding and I went back to a ST1300. The new Wing didn't remind of my 04 Wing in any way. Seems like they went toward the sport touring type of bike. Very impressive.
 

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I hope you get a chance to ride the new Yamaha Venture for comparison, I just don't see an air cooled non drive shaft bike in the same class as that new wing.
 

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eemsreno said:
Fred
I hope you get a chance to ride the new Yamaha Venture for comparison, I just don't see an air cooled non drive shaft bike in the same class as that new wing.
Hi Steve,

Niehaus had the Yamaha demo truck here for 3 days in October and I never got to ride the Venture or Eluder. I was busy the whole time leading adventure rides on the dealer's Honda and Yamaha adv models. I'll ride one when the weather warms a bit, though. They had several customers that had put their down payments on the new Ventures that later canceled when the new Wing was announced. It might be a very good bike, but I agree that it won't be in the same class as the new Wing. Matter of fact, I can't think of any bike that is in the same class.
 

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I like the bike a lot. And was giving it serious consideration. But the small fuel tank just blew it for me. Yes, I know it gets better mileage than the old one. However I will still have to start worrying about gas at 180 miles or so. No excuse for that. A real design flaw in my opinion, and a probable lost sale.
 

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I think the 18’ GW is a good looking bike and kudos to Honda for making is sporty and not try to chase the V-twin market.
No matter how good the Yam Venture is, it will not sell well against the Harley. Just as Polaris with the Victory line. 20 years and with Arlen Ness designing and they could not make a dent in Harely sales.
 

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greenwall said:
I like the bike a lot. And was giving it serious consideration. But the small fuel tank just blew it for me. Yes, I know it gets better mileage than the old one. However I will still have to start worrying about gas at 180 miles or so. No excuse for that. A real design flaw in my opinion, and a probable lost sale.
You live on the East Coast and 180 mile range is too small for you not to buy?


Just giving you a bad time
 

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fredz43 said:
Hi Steve,

Niehaus had the Yamaha demo truck here for 3 days in October and I never got to ride the Venture or Eluder. I was busy the whole time leading adventure rides on the dealer's Honda and Yamaha adv models. I'll ride one when the weather warms a bit, though. They had several customers that had put their down payments on the new Ventures that later canceled when the new Wing was announced. It might be a very good bike, but I agree that it won't be in the same class as the new Wing. Matter of fact, I can't think of any bike that is in the same class.

That new hotrod 1600 Beemer is supposed to be pretty incredible to ride. Not sure how incredible it is to own though. O:)
 

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I've rode the Star Venture and K1600B back in Aug and the the GW Tour DCT this week. The GW and the BMW are like comparing apples and oranges, but the Star Venture is like comparing to a watermelon. All are very good bikes. But the BMW and Honda are like sport tour with equal emphasis on both. The GW is much closer to the handling of my R1200RT than I would have thought.
The Star is all tour, a very nice well handling bike, but you can still feel the weight and is not in the same class as the BMW or GW.

Of all three, I would lean toward the GW Tour DCT.
 

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DamMechanic said:
You live on the East Coast and 180 mile range is too small for you not to buy?


Just giving you a bad time
I live on the East coast, but still don't like worrying about fuel range. Besides, with a bike like that, who wants to stay in the megalopolis? Seven to eight gallons would have been ideal. Very surprised Honda chose the fuel capacity they did. Would be even more surprised if it wasn't addressed in later versions.
 
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I still really love my 2008 goldwing, 71,000 miles and not one problem, haven't even replaced the battery. Of course 71,000 miles is not by any means high mileage, but even so, it's been fantastic. I like a lot of the new goldwing, like the new suspension system, but there are many things that just don't look like upgrades, like less storage space, radiators right smack in front on both sides where hot air will blow right in to the rider vs the great idea on the older ones where hot air blew out the sides of the fairing, and front during fan running times, less gas capacity ect. Owners so far report more or less same MPG as the older wing despite the higher gearing so about 40 miles less range per tank is likely. I could accept that I suppose though. What I can't accept is that virtually every one that has been delivered to date, or discussed really is the DCT. To me there is no bigger sin and it makes me virtually sick every time I read one word mentioning any form of automatic transmission. I vowed here to not be my old angry guy I was in years past, and hope have done better, but any gossip, news, reviews or even seeing the DCT letters in print makes me near violent. Opinions may vary. :)
Still it appears the Honda is leaps and bounds ahead of any other offering, that is for sure.
 

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I am very anxious to take the new wing with DCT for a test ride, because of our upcoming Inuvik trip this year I hopefully won’t be buying any new motorcycle this year.
 
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In the old days when common sense ruled, manufacturers would more or less match the transmission to the engine, like the super duty ford truck with the diesel was matched with the manual transmission in the late 80s/ early 90s. First year powerstroke diesel only offered manual. Oh what a dream, offer the automatic only on the F150 type vehicals. Leave the F350 type manual. Goldwing to me is F350 in a motorcycle, but not with the DCT. Reverts to a F100.
 

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I'm with you on this Auto trany junk Ron.
It might be fine on a wing but to even consider it on an Adventure bike is just pathetic!
 

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It's about choice, my friends. People like different things and it is great that we have so many choices. As far as DCT, I have ridden every generation on several models that Honda offers and in my previous rides, I preferred the manual transmission. When I rode the VFR1200 with an early generation DCT, before my test ride was over, I had it in manual mode. With the Africa Twin DCT, I found it a bit confusing on the adventure backroad route that I took it on, as it had several modes of operation of DCT and, not being used to it, I wasn't sure which was best for each type of rough pavement or terrain, so I preferred the manual shift version. Having said that, a friend bought the first year AT with manual transmission and last year when he was helping me lead adventure demo rides on Niehaus Cycles' adv type bikes, he rode the DCT version of the AT and liked it so much that he ordered the second year AT with the DCT option. With the new Wing, it felt to me that they finally found the right model bike to utilize the DCT, as it seemed to fit the performance and personality of that bike. I rode the standard model right after the DCT and thought that this was the first Honda model that I would definitely order the DCT rather than standard. I must not be alone, as our dealer has presold 5 new models and they all are DCT.

BTW, this is not the auto transmission like we had in trucks or cars in the good old days. There is no slippage as the 2 clutches electrically switch from one to the other, selecting pre-engaged gears and it is difficult to even feel the gear change. If one prefers to operate the gears manually, that can easily be done with a thumb or forefinger button on the left switch housing. They even offer a foot shift lever in case you would prefer to activate the electrical manual mode with your left foot. I find that amazingly useless but it is offered in case somebody wants that.

I found ST-Venture's comments especially interesting and useful, as he rode the new Venture, new Wing, and the K1600B and decided that of those 3, he would prefer the Wing Tour DCT. During our dealer's Yamaha demo rides in Oct. when the Yamaha truck was here, two of my friends rode the new Venture and their feedback to me was that it was a bit top heavy and one said that he felt engine heat. Since then, one has bought the K1600B and the other has ordered a new Wing Tour DCT. The latter is the friend who has the Africa Twin DCT also, which he will be keeping.

I sometimes fill in as a salesman at Niehaus Cycle Sales, when the full-time salesmen take a vacation, etc and one thing that I appreciate about that dealership is their willingness to let customers demo bikes. That is useful to both the customer and salesman, in that we all prefer different things. They sell all models of Yamaha and Honda bikes and when a person asks me which model or make is the better, for instance when comparing a FJR to a ST1300, I tell them to take them both for a ride, as their preferences may be different than mine and after riding them, they can make their own choice. I may not agree with their preference, but it is their money, so they should buy what they prefer.

So, again, it is choice, my friends. If you don't care for one choice, make another. To let another's choice make you violent is, ah, interesting, at best. Buy what you prefer, vote as you prefer, and then live and let live, is my opinion. Life is too short to let others' choice upset you so.

In my case, I chose the ES version of the S10, even though others prefer the manual suspension and that is their choice. I'll be keeping it, along with my DR650, DR350, and 4 Bultaco dirt bikes and enjoying each one. At the same time, I'll say that I have ridden many bikes and many miles in 52 years of riding and the 2018 Gold Wing Tour DCT is the most impressive bike I have ever ridden.
 

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fredz43 said:
....It's about choice, my friends. People like different things and it is great that we have so many choices.... If you don't care for one choice, make another....In my case, I chose the ES version of the S10, even though others prefer the manual suspension and that is their choice.

::026:: It was only a matter of time for the auto trans to show up on bikes. I will likely ONLY have a manual until they are no longer available. But, that's me. My son prefer manual trans also. My oldest son bought my '04 1/2 ton, because 1/2 ton manuals are not available; can't even order them. I do agree the new autos are VERY much better than they used to be, but they're still not for me. ::001::
 

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Just got back from the MD motorcycle show, where they had the new GW next to last year's model and OMG what a difference. The 2017 wasn't bad, it was just blocky and huge in every way. It was like sitting in a full size pick-up. The new GW was like sitting in a luxury car by comparison. The only way Honda is going to move the remaining 2017 models will be some MASSIVE discounts. btw - One of our group is 6'5" and his knees had plenty of clearance.


We were at the BMW display, where they had a K1600, before seeing the Hondas. The new GW is like a K1600 which has been going to the gym. We were impressed.


Everything is a compromise and I get that it has slightly less fuel and the boxes are smaller. But this is a great bike and I'll bet the market will come up with ways around those issues.
 
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