Planning Coast to Coast trip in May 2015

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Apologies ...I may have already posted this under 'member intro' section as well.

Hello all, it's been a while.

I am planning a coast to coast round trip in late May 2015 on my 2014 S10 ES ::014:: This is my first 'long trip' (longest trip earlier was 5200kms- Vancouver to LA and back) and would like to have your expert opinions and advise.

Trip begins from Vancouver to Halifax purely on Canadian soil and return via Boston to Seattle on US soil. This way I will have crossed both countries in one trip!! Hoping to stick to paved roads and do the entire trip in 21 days!! Being too optimistic???

I probably will have a couple buddies joining me on the trip. Given the long distances to cover during the day, we might avoid camping as much as possible, but will carry the equipment anyway in case of need.

I am quite content with the bike in stock form. The power seems adequate for my kind of riding and the factory equipment (heated grips, cruise control, ESA) are good. I therefore don't intend upgrading the seat, windshield or do any engine modifications. I currently have added OEM boxes, wind deflectors and have mounted a GPS. I may additionally install a skid plate, engine guards, a pair of fog lights, and an additional power socket. I will carry a large duffel bag and a tank bag for other gear, tools and equipment. Any other essential accessories I should consider adding?

I also would like to know what spares, consumables and tools I should carry along? What are the potential problems I should expect or be looking out for on the bike and on the roads? Any must do things or scenic routes along the way?

Appreciate your help.

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A flat tire would be my biggest concern. I carry a plug kit, a small compressor and enough tools to get both wheels off. Might be sure and have an 8, 10, 12, 14 & 17mm wrench along with some pliers and screw drivers. Some tape and a few feet of wire can come in handy along with several bungee cords and straps to tie things back together. Not much you can fix beside the road with all this FI and electronic stuff these days. The S10 is a strong warrior and if you don't have tire trouble, it will get you there and back home.
 

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OldRider said:
A flat tire would be my biggest concern. I carry a plug kit, a small compressor and enough tools to get both wheels off. Might be sure and have an 8, 10, 12, 14 & 17mm wrench along with some pliers and screw drivers. Some tape and a few feet of wire can come in handy along with several bungee cords and straps to tie things back together. Not much you can fix beside the road with all this FI and electronic stuff these days. The S10 is a strong warrior and if you don't have tire trouble, it will get you there and back home.
::026:: Tie wraps and tape can fix most things at the roadside. Just make sure the bike has a thorough service before you set off and you'll be fine. Don't forget to take loads of pictures ::008::
 

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Your best bet is no buddies or just one. I have found the more bikes the slower you go and the more you stop.
I understand the desire to have a companion and helper around but I am going alone if it were me.
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Scoop47501 said:
Your best bet is no buddies or just one. I have found the more bikes the slower you go and the more you stop.
I understand the desire to have a companion and helper around but I am going alone if it were me.
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+1. To do a lot of miles in a little time, I've found going solo is the way to go. If you can't, then the fewer partners, the better. When solo, you decide when to stop to eat, sleep, fuel, etc. The more bikes you have in tow, the more "needs" that you must cater to. Every minute you're not riding stretches out the day at least a minute, IMO.
 

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Thank you all for the valuable advise.

I will be getting thorough service before I leave and also carry sufficient tools and a tire repair kit for any road side emergencies. I will be getting an oil/filter change done in Halifax or Boston. Should I be caryring motor/shaft oil just in case?

I totally agree with the comment on having too many riders. Self discipline and timing is key on long trips and I find some behaving like kids instead. I have had some uncomfortable conversations with riders slow down others in my earlier trips. So far only one guy has confirmed and I hope it stays that way.

Any suggestions for routes? Any 'must do' rides along the way?
 

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I think there's time and room for a friend. Yes, it's a long ride somewhere around 6500 miles, but you're stretching it out over 21 days and that comes out to about 300 miles per day. If you're on the road 10 hrs a day that's a 30mph pace. Plenty of time to smell the roses. When the going gets boring and you throw in a few 500 mile days, that gives you a lot more time on the lazy days.
 

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21 days is too short and you will need to put in long days on the road to make it across and back in time. Give yourself 28 days if you can.

What do you want to see along the way and back? Are you a city person, national park lover, or have certain people you want to visit along the way? Don't plan on camping with your time line.

Bring underarmor type of clothing because it packs small and you can wash it at night and it will be dry by morning. Bring clothing that can be layered to create warmth when needed. If you don't have electric gear, get it, even if your trip is in the summer. It gets cold in the mountains. Also don't forget the rain gear and especially waterproof gloves and boots.
 

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If you want to be able to do a lot of miles I would skip the camping. 21 days is plenty if your not camping. Setting up and taking down is a lot of work and TIME. Last summer I did 4700 miles in 10 days with 2 days of rest. No camping, but I did bring the gear. If I did it over I would skip the gear and the Yamaha side cases would have handled everything I was bringing along with room to spare.

I had no definite plans but in early afternoon of each day I would take a break and look to see what cities and/or towns might be ahead. I would pick a couple of possible destinations each night and I would scan hotels.com or tripadvisor.com and check rates. As soon as I found something I liked I would book it and hit the road and arrive in 3 to 5 hours. It is a great way to travel and you will have no trouble finding a place to stay. Average rates were about $60 and if you have two folks on the trip there is not a lot of money to be saved by camping, not to mention some of the other benefits like a bathroom and a thermostat.
 

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Sckill said:
21 days is too short and you will need to put in long days on the road to make it across and back in time. Give yourself 28 days if you can.

What do you want to see along the way and back? Are you a city person, national park lover, or have certain people you want to visit along the way? Don't plan on camping with your time line.

Bring underarmor type of clothing because it packs small and you can wash it at night and it will be dry by morning. Bring clothing that can be layered to create warmth when needed. If you don't have electric gear, get it, even if your trip is in the summer. It gets cold in the mountains. Also don't forget the rain gear and especially waterproof gloves and boots.
Thanks for the tips. Unfortunately I cannot stay away from work longer than 21 days.
I don't intend visiting anyone, but definitely would like to see any historic places or tourist attractions.
I will be carrying rain gear. Didn't plan to carry electric heated gear. Do you think I would need it?
 

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bmac said:
If you want to be able to do a lot of miles I would skip the camping. 21 days is plenty if your not camping. Setting up and taking down is a lot of work and TIME. Last summer I did 4700 miles in 10 days with 2 days of rest. No camping, but I did bring the gear. If I did it over I would skip the gear and the Yamaha side cases would have handled everything I was bringing along with room to spare.

I had no definite plans but in early afternoon of each day I would take a break and look to see what cities and/or towns might be ahead. I would pick a couple of possible destinations each night and I would scan hotels.com or tripadvisor.com and check rates. As soon as I found something I liked I would book it and hit the road and arrive in 3 to 5 hours. It is a great way to travel and you will have no trouble finding a place to stay. Average rates were about $60 and if you have two folks on the trip there is not a lot of money to be saved by camping, not to mention some of the other benefits like a bathroom and a thermostat.
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Thank you. Sensible advise. Will shed the camping gear in that case. Pretty much what I had in mind about hotel booking.
 

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I did a loop around the US in late may to June in 2012. When I went through, it was about 40F in the Colorado rockies and 35F in the mountain passes with 8ft high snow banks by Mt rainer. Heated gear was a necessity. Get it and you will not regret it.

Do you have a preliminary map of your route? How far south do you think you would go along the way back?
 

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Tenerester said:
... 21 days!! Being too optimistic???
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I probably will have a couple buddies joining me on the trip. . . we might avoid camping. . . [/font]


[font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]We did 1,000 in 30 and had a little time to see things, with a few days off here and there, so it is do-able. To do it we needed to Iron-but our way across the Great Plains.

[font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]It definitely is easier to do big miles alone, and I would not even consider more than 2 people who can truly get along when uncomfortable.[/font]

[font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]You won't see more than a few hours at the historic stuff you may want to see.[/font]

[font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Take the camping gear but plan on at least 2/3 motel.[/font]

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Tenerester said:

I may additionally install a skid plate, engine guards, a pair of fog lights, and an additional power socket. . .
Any other essential accessories I should consider adding?
I also would like to know what spares, consumables and tools I should carry along?
What are the potential problems I should expect or be looking out for on the bike and on the roads?
Any must do things or scenic routes along the way?


Yes to the skid plate for a pothole or curb stone when you are tired, engine guards for the inevitable tip-over, and fog lights.
The power socket for your phone charger. Don't gorget power for the GPS. Heated clothes are fantastic but not truly necessary. Once you have them you will change your mind and then they will be necessary though, especially before June.
You might consider a water bottle rack on the right engine guard.
Get a really long lasting tire, like the K60. On the highway, it can last 15,000+ miles. I got 17,000 and Sail2XX got 27,000.
Carry a little pop-up LED camping light for stops and if you have a mechanical problem. They weigh nothing and are worth their weight in gold when needed.

 

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Sckill said:
I did a loop around the US in late may to June in 2012. When I went through, it was about 40F in the Colorado rockies and 35F in the mountain passes with 8ft high snow banks by Mt rainer. Heated gear was a necessity. Get it and you will not regret it.

Do you have a preliminary map of your route? How far south do you think you would go along the way back?
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Thanks. Yes, I do have a tentative map drawn. I will be staying close to the northern border and take HWY 2 through MN, N Dakota, and Montana. Boston and New York would be the southern most cities I might ride through.
 

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Scoop47501 said:
Your best bet is no buddies or just one. I have found the more bikes the slower you go and the more you stop.
I understand the desire to have a companion and helper around but I am going alone if it were me.
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I have a brother and several buddies that are suitable distance riding pals, but no more than 2 guys on a distance / time sensitive ride. My experience is every additional rider doubles the time of each stop, and there are more stops.

You can shed most of your camping gear but make sure you have either a bivy sack and bag or your tent and bag, I was eying up a gas station canopy on a cold rainy night once. We got lucky but it was the last room for miles and miles. I take my tent in hopes it stays tied on the bike the entire trip for a ride like this.

Most of your tourist stops will take too long, look for the rides along the way. Big horns in WY, Chief Joseph and Beartooth Pass are just a few on this side of the border.

If your ride takes you through Minnesota and I am here, tools, garage and whiskey available.
 

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Lots of good advice. I did an 8k mile trip in 28 days with the wife, (Utah to Yukon/Alaska with a loop around Alaska) and we rode 200-400 mile days on average. I think your 21 days is fine for the trip you outline, but in the end, it depends on what you want to see and do. Of note is that both my wife and I ride our own bikes and we are both finishers in the Iron Butt Rally, (11k in 11 days). This trip was a vacation and we wanted to see/do things, not just hammer out miles. Some observations from a month on the road:

Plan some non-riding days into your trip. Seeing new things and riding miles is great, but at some point you will get weary of getting up, packing the bike and riding every single day. The down side to this is riding some longer days since your time line is fixed. You hopefully will have some points on your route that you want to spend more time exploring. Plan shorter riding days for the day you get to one of those spots, so that you can settle in and enjoy poking around in the afternoon/evening as well as the morning of the following day, (or the entire following day).

Reservations are good and bad. Good in that you know where you'll be stopping and you will have a room. Bad in that they tie you down to being in a specific spot that day. Being flexible is a good thing. Some of the spots we visited were worth every minute and we could have spent another day there. Others were a disappointment and we might as well have just spent a few hours there and not wasted an entire day stopped to see them.

Bigger/longer days will be a lot easier in the US than in Can. Especially as you move into the West towards the end of your trip. Finding a place to sleep at night will rarely be a problem on your Boston to Vancouver leg of the trip. However, you might check for events in areas that you believe you will be stopping for the dates you're likely to be there. Unknown festivals or sporting events can suck up every hotel room in a 100 mile radius for some events. Even in major cities in the West like Boise, ID.

If you're planning on having service done, make an appointment for first thing in the morning and specify that you will be on the road and waiting for the service to be done, and ask how long you should expect it to take. Plan on being there the night before so you can be certain to be at the shop when they open.

If you just want an oil/filter change, consider doing it in a parking lot, or bringing your own filter and having a quick lube place do it while you wait. Places like Jiffy lube will do oil changes on bikes if you ask, in most cases. I've done oil changes at a Walmart or similar big store by going in and buying an oil pan/jug, (the type that you can seal up when done), a funnel, oil and a filter, (or use the one I packed), and just finding an out of the way spot in the parking lot. After the oil change I take the container of old oil to the auto center at the store, or a quick lube place in the parking lot, or just leave the jug and funnel at a garbage can. Someone will snag the jug as a free item for them and all they have to do is dispose of the oil. Cost wise, it's more than the oil and filter would be for a change in the garage at home, but far less than the cost to pay someone else to do the job. FWIW, I've done this in the US and Can and never been hassled. I do go around back or the side where I am mostly out of sight of the bulk of customers and I don't leave a mess. Plan on having some latex/nitril gloves and some paper towels, (or just buy a roll at the store), to avoid you getting dirty or leaving a mess behind if you spill a little.

Tools - A good flat repair kit that you have actually used. And a small compressor that you have verified has the correct plug for your bike's power source that YOU installed. The oem cig plug outlet is not fused high enough for a compressor, and you should not just install a higher rated fuse! It's simple to cut off the plug that came with it and install a new one if you already have a plug on the bike for a battery tender or heated gear. If you haven't done a flat repair on the road yet, when you next wear out a tire, use a small drill to make a hole in the tire and practice plugging it in the garage. That will at least give you some idea of what you're going to do on the road. On the road, it may be a jagged hole that has dirt or debris in it and it WILL need reaming before you can plug it. Make sure your kit has a reamer, and preferably T handles. And glue. Buy some fresh glue for the trip and extra sticky strings. If you have a Stop and Go kit, sell it to one of your friends that's not going on the trip with you and buy a good sticky string kit with T handles and a reamer, plus some extra sticky strings.. You can insert multiple sticky strings in a large hole and it will seal enough to get you to where you can buy a new tire. (I fixed a 10mm hole for a fellow on the Salmon Glacier road above Hyder, AK and he made it the 20k back down the gravel road to Hyder, and out to Smithers, BC the next day for a new tire w/o having to add air or it running low. It took 3 or 4 sticky strings.)

Have the tools to remove both wheels. Use them to do this before you leave. People forget about the 8mm allen bolt at the rear axle. You can get a new tire a lot quicker/cheaper if you pull the wheel yourself and walk it in from the parking lot. Not to mention that some non-Yamaha dealers won't touch your bike, but will still be happy to swap a tire out if the wheel is off the bike. For the front, you'll need something to prop up the bike, but that can be locally sourced, (rock, some wood, etc), or make a short prop from wood that you notch for your crash bar and can hold the front wheel off the ground with the bike on the center stand. (I've had both wheels off the bike at a dealer with this method w/o issue).

If you want to be free form on the ride, go for it. Stop when you see something you want to check out. But I would suggest that there is far more than you can possibly see on your trip and there will always be places that you wished you had spent more time at. Plan your route, then do some research about the places you believe you will be going. Every city or town has a web site or chamber of commerce site with "things to see and do" in their area.

Heated gear - Will you need it? Not absolutely. Will you use it and be more comfortable than w/o it if you have it along? Absolutely! I've had heated gear, currently only a Jacket liner, for over a decade. I ride 30-40k miles a year, all over the country. I've used the heated jacket liner in July, riding at night in the mountains of MT or UT or B.C. and in May, you can bet you're going to have some cool mornings where you've got the heated grips cranked up and are wishing you had a heated Jacket liner. A mounted Heat-troller from Warm-n-Safe costs a little more than the portable units, but being able to just pull the jacket liner out, put it on, then plug directly into the bike and ride off with the easy adjustment of the mounted knob is pretty wonderful.

Things to see - That's a tough one. Depends on what interests you. The wife and I spent an extra day in New York to see Niagara Falls, doing one of the tours so we could be off the bike and in street clothes. We enjoyed it and got to see and do more that way. The following day as we headed north we stopped at Old Fort Niagara and really enjoyed walking around and watching the re-enactments. She had never seen a black powder rifle fired before, or a cannon. They also have a very nice, small museum there that is worth the price of admission.

Find some place in Maine to have a good lobster meal. Maybe consider riding out to Perc'e Rock in Quebec and timing it so you can walk out at low tide. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perc%C3%A9_Rock

Badlands National Park in South Dakota, (Wall Drug for sheer silliness too). Thousands of other places. Browse thru Roadside America for fun and silly tourist attractions you might want to see. Go ride the Tail of the Dragon, just so you can tell people you did, and how incredibly boring it is, though with pretty scenery. Hit that mid week for any chance of riding it w/o stupid traffic and idiots. Take the hike around Devils Tower in Wyoming. It's an easy 30 minutes, even in full gear and quite worth it. Seek out some of the museums like the Henry Ford museum that are truly spectacular and plan on spending the day or half a day wandering around being inspired by the history and cool things to see.

You could do your same basic route 10 times and see all new stuff every time. You can't see it all, so pick what interests you and take notes during the trip of places or things you want to see the next time.

Have a great trip!
 

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Great advice Eric.

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Eric....wow! Wow! Many thanks for taking the time to write this with such detail. This is valuable advise for anyone planning long trips. Thanks a million. A print of this will be going on my trip planning wall right away! ::008::
 
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