On long trips...how do you stay cool.

lastparrot

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Realizing that all things are relative. When taking a 6 hour trip, in the middle of July, in the deep south, how do you stay cool? Here is what I am planning. I have purchased the Sand 2 jacket and pants and will be using the ldcomfort long sleeve mock. I will also be using a 70 ounce water bladder to help replenish the sweat. I have Gore-Tex boots and wicking socks as well as underwear. I have purchased both a frogg togg bandana thing and a enduracool neck gater.

Of course I will be making stops every hour or so. I look forward to your feedback.
 

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My technique has been:

Wear light and heavily vented gear
Start very early and try and be done before the mid afternoon crippling heat
Keep drinking
If overheating soak my tee shirt in cold water, wring it out and put it back on

Whilst i am fundamentally an ATGATT rider, when occasionally the heat is so intense that i feel at risk of heat stroke which is affecting my concentration, I ditch the protective gear too (no point in managing a small risk whilst neglecting a big and present one).
 

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Vented gear, wet t-shirt or long sleeve t shirt even better as air hits the arms more than torso, vented summer gloves, and if really hot I take out my Caberg Ego helmet, a little noisy but with a 'sunroof' on top sure does cool my head down. Hydration.
 

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Whenever I can, I will stop and soak my mesh jacket in water. Really helps until the dew point is too high.
When it's real hot out, taking you gear off is the wrong thing to do. That will just heat you up faster.
Body temp 98.6, road temp 100.
You need to insulate yourself from that 100° temp.
Fluids are you friend too!
 

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I don't have any special equipment except a mesh jacket and hydration. I do have a couple of the water absorbing neck tie thingies.

I just tough it out in the summer if I want to ride any appreciable distance.

I took off the Yamaha winglets the other day. It helps.
 

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Cycle Gear - Evaporative Cooling Vest

Inexpensive and surprising works very well. Tested in Death Valley and North Las Vegas areas. I carry it in a zip lock bag so I can soak the vest. I have also used it to keep warm when caught out in a cool/cold evening/night ride.

http://www.cyclegear.com/BILT-Cooling-Waterproof-Vest I did not pay that price.
 

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tomatocity said:
Cycle Gear - Evaporative Cooling Vest
Not sure mine is a Bilt but looks like that. Have used it in 108 degree temperatures. Going to Denver on Saturday and temps the entire route are supposed to be above 90 and its going along. I too keep mine in a gallon zip lock bag. Once it gets hot enough, stop at a McDonalds and fill the bag in the rest room. Go get an iced tea or something while it soaks up. Head outside let it drain off excess water, put it on, top with mesh jacket and off we go for 1-2 hours. Repeat!
 

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An option that is favored: When it get hot out, wet the LDComfort shirt (sleeves primarily) and put your jacket back on. close up the vents except for sleeves and the back. You will get a couple hours of evaporative effect cooling before having to rewet the shirt. Too much venting and you dry out too fast. Worked well for me last year on a 700 mile day where temps never went below 100 and max was 112.

On the LDRiders website there is a really good scientific study on staying cool and hydrated in the heat and the significance of <93F vs >93F.
 

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taking off gear is not the way. riding nekked may seem cooler, but you will dehydrate at a greater rate than if geared up... the heat aint fun butt no gear is crazy..i work in concrete construction and what i notice most on the hottest days the concrete workers stay covered up, long sleeves, hats ,scarves, etc... seems counter intuitive but it works...saw a guy yesterday hauling tail up i-35, he had on a helmet, basket ball type shorts and tennis shoes, thats all....hope he made it...
 

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Madhatter said:
taking off gear is not the way. riding nekked may seem cooler, but you will dehydrate at a greater rate than if geared up... the heat aint fun butt no gear is crazy..i work in concrete construction and what i notice most on the hottest days the concrete workers stay covered up, long sleeves, hats ,scarves, etc... seems counter intuitive but it works...saw a guy yesterday hauling tail up i-35, he had on a helmet, basket ball type shorts and tennis shoes, thats all....hope he made it...
::026:: Just look at most of the Arab world, where it reaches over 120* they are all covered up sitting out in the desert.
 

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My jacket is a Scott GT gore-tex and has no venting (but it is the cheapest goretex jacket i could find) but it does have a 2 zipper system. By leaving the outer zipper open i get plenty of flow at my chest while standing on the footpegs. So every few minutes i stand and get a cool breeze down my chest and back and into my trousers. I use the aerostich AD1s with suspenders so they are a little loose and very stiff. I tuck my shirt into my pants so with this method i get some air down to my boys.
 

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once the temp gets above 93, heat transfers in rather than out of your body. I wear my textile jacket with ld comfort short and pants. I keep a water bottle handy and pour water down my sleeves and neck about every 50 miles.


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Like others have said, taking off your gear is the wrong way to go about it. You do need to insulate yourself from the radiant temperatures outside, as well as the hot air blast. You want to wear a vented / breathable jacket that will allow you to create a microclimate in your suit. You will sweat, but that sweat will stay on you and your clothes to keep wicking heat away from you. If you sit on a bike without any protection, you'll just be hotter because the hot air is evaporating the sweat faster than it can pick up the heat off your skin.

Evaporation is what controls heat dissipation. The longer it's on your skin (and still evaporating) the better control you'll have over your temperature. When the humidity is really high out, your sweat just sticks to you and doesn't evaporate. This is what makes it feel hotter than it really is because you're essentially baking without actually getting any heat pulled away by sweat beads evaporating off you.
 

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The cooling vest is the way to go. Before I head out I soak the vest to get it really wet and then put it in a ziplock bag. When I want to use it I just take it out of the bag and wring out the excess water and I'm good to go. I also have a neck wrap that works pretty good.
 

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As OP stated, it depends and is relative. Notice the guys who responded about controlling evaporation and non venting gear are in the west where it is dryer. Here in the desert south west....vented gear will get you in serious trouble on a 6hr ride in our heat/dry air. When temps soar over 110F I pull out my one piece aerostich and pretty much zip it up tight. I'll fill the front pockets with ice and I'm good for several hours. Hydration must begin the day before and you want to be constantly drinking. My typical blast across the Mojave will have me drinking a full gallon of water during the 2hr ride. Could be 6-8hrs later before I have to use the restroom. I don't spend enough time in humid hot conditions to give much knowledgeable experience but if you make it out west just understand its completely different.
 

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I,am touring spain and portugal at the moment and they are suffering a heat wave , i have an "RST" adventure jacket that is brilliant, it has a long vent down each arm and on the chest it has two large pocket shaped vents that can be opened to let air straight through and out the back ..don't known how i would have managed without it ..
 

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I think you have it pretty much nailed. It's the "relative" part of the "hot weather" issue that generates some apparently conflicting advice. "Hot weather" in the south east part of the country is what I would call very warm temps with high humidity, compared to the south west which is more likely very hot temps with low humidity (my advice is from this perspective). I think the major difference in gear to deal with these two conditions is - higher humidity needs more ventilation and high arid temps need more protection. Cooling vests and wet clothes in general can make hot riding bearable as long as they can evaporate.

We all know about wind chill but many don't know about or don't regularly experience wind burn. It's real, starts about 5 degrees above body temp, and get exponentially worse as temperature and/or speed rise. This is why you must cover your skin, all of it, when riding in high heat. If you have to ride for several hours in high heat (like over 110 F), the advice gets even more counter-intuitive. Close your vents.

Crazy huh? Here's the rationale. Basically it's about stabilizing your body temperature at an acceptable level. It helps if you abandon the notion that you have to stay "cool" on a hot day. You really only have to stay warm, keeping your core temp around 98F. Cruising on a motorcycle is a low-exertion activity, I'm not talking about trail riding. The human body doesn't have to work very hard to maintain its normally warm temp in warm conditions, assuming minimal exertion. So when it's hot outside, you just need to keep your personal space, the space inside your riding suit, warm, not cool.

The reason I suggest closing vents on long rides, when it's hot is to slow the evaporation of your wet gear to stabilize your body temp for a longer period. Yes it's warm and can be a little clammy. The body can remain warm for a long time with little stress. It cannot remain hot or cold for very long and not at all without stress. Less stress means you can focus better on the job at hand - riding.

I have the great fortune to ride year-round. The summers here in Las Vegas are long and hot. I wear a cooling vest and a wet neck tube on the homeward commute, which is only about 30 minutes, but most summer days well over 100F and 110F is not uncommon. Contrary to my own advice, my jacket vents are often open because it's more comfortable that way in the morning (without the wet clothes) and I'm too lazy to zip it all up for the 30-minute ride. It's uncomfortable in a bizarre way - my chest is really cold (hard nipples cold) and arms are really hot. My body is confused. But it's only 30 minutes, so I won't succumb to heatstroke and the front of my vest is dry by the time I get home. I would not put up with this for more than 30 minutes. There is no point in getting cold on a hot day and a dry vest is no help.

I would leave you with one universal word of advice - hydration! You almost can't drink too much water when it's hot and/or humid. Stopping to pee is a good sign. Not sweating means you're in trouble with dehydration and the onset of heatstroke. You can save yourself the aspirin by not getting the headache that comes after dehydration.

lastparrot said:
Realizing that all things are relative. When taking a 6 hour trip, in the middle of July, in the deep south, how do you stay cool? Here is what I am planning. I have purchased the Sand 2 jacket and pants and will be using the ldcomfort long sleeve mock. I will also be using a 70 ounce water bladder to help replenish the sweat. I have Gore-Tex boots and wicking socks as well as underwear. I have purchased both a frogg togg bandana thing and a enduracool neck gater.

Of course I will be making stops every hour or so. I look forward to your feedback.
 

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I live in the tropics and here's what I do when riding long distances:

1. Start off before the sun is up to get as many km as possible. Around 10am, the heat will start to creep in.
2. By the time it needs fuel, soak the dry-fit t-shirt with water at the kiosk, no wringing and wear them. It will get dry in 40 minutes. It's like having A/C. Do this at every fuel stop. Yeap, wear a dry-fit sports t-shirt.
3. A good mesh nylon bike jacket will cool the body when moving and keeps you protected from the sun. No leathers. Mesh riding pants helps too. MESH is the keyword.
4. Drink lots of water, I mean LOTS. I'll drink 2 cans of Livita (energy drink) if it is a whole day/night ride.
5. A good ventilated helmet is great. I got a Caberg Konda which has poor ventilation :( which I regret buying.
6. When you see a thunderstorm clouds forming, you will be super happy when it rains, you will feel like you have just reset. But in the night, wear a rain jacket as it will get cold.
7. Eat lesser during a meal break. Old farts have slower digestion and body heats up when you are digesting. Gets sleepy and lethargic with a full stomach.
8. Waterproof boots is good in the tropics as it rains frequently. Nothing is more uncomfortable when your feet is soaking wet.

My longest ride, 14 hours from Penang, Malaysia to Phuket in Thailand with 90 to 100F heat with 70 bikes (big mistake!). Long fuel stops and had a couple of mishaps in our convoy along the way. On a 650 Versys.
 
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