Ohlins shock for the WASPmobile - Ohh yeh!!

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I had a nice little surprise waiting for me when I arrived home today..
The wife rang saying that she had received a call from the Post Office advising that there were a couple of parcels in for me and would i like her to pickemup?????
SHIT YES was the reply knowing full well what the most anticipated one was.
Sure enough I get home to find this on my office desk....



A BOX FULL OF OHLINS GOODNESS..

The kit is complete with all brackets, bolts, associated hardware and instructions specifically for the XT1200Z.
I am not sure that I will install the adjusters/canisters in the recommended places but I will evaluate that as I progress.





Obviously more photo's and report/review will follow as I install and test.

Greg.
 

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Wow! That makes me drewl......... :p

Can't wait to read your experience with them! When do you plan to test them?
 
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Yes it is a very nice product, I have had mine since January. All I need now is the MC

Ohlins had a very limited supply worldwide then 13 in total, so it will be interesting to see how many are available. The stock rear suspension will be complete shite compared to an Ohlins and I have a plan for the front end that will make it "mucho better". More later on that.

My post from the is the rear shock rebuildable. what was your AUZ cost ? mine was about 950 US

Bill310 said:
I agree that many folks could get buy with the stock suspension well set up, but how many times have you seen a shop sell a new bike, and then set sag, etc before the happy buyer rides off the lot?

Some ride enough that you can bag your stock components in a few months.

Some of us know based on our experience/ preferences /physical dimensions /bike loads that the stock suspension will be lacking from day one, and some of us might just like the look of a sexy Penske / Ohlins under our butt.

We have done the suspension/seats/ergos on all of our bikes, and yet only one MC has aftermarket pipes.

We like to start fresh with custom built and fitted suspension for each new bike.

There is no joy greater than riding a nice motorcycle on a great road with dialed in suspension
 

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Ain't that pretty .... I want one. Course I do. Can't justify it yet though.
 

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uh - wow-wuh...dat is some kinda NICE STUFF there, Wasp my man.

Now - if we could juuuuust get our scooters here -- well, then the true farkling could begin.!!

Good on ya, mate.
 

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Gotta ask - is an Ohlins shock REALLY that much better? It is generally regarded as the cure-all for the Tiger 1050's stock suspension, but i dunno, I never thought stock was was that bad... perhaps being 165 lbs has something to do with it. Bigger guys need more support I guess.
 

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Venture said:
Gotta ask - is an Ohlins shock REALLY that much better?
Can't speak directly for Ohlins, but I got a Penske shock and had Traxxon Dynamics redo the shim stack on the forks of my 02 FZ1. I was amazed at the transformation in handling. Maybe the Tenere has upmarket suspenders, or maybe it too will be made a whole let better with an upgrade.

OBTW, I weigh in at 168.

YMMV,
 
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Yes, it is THAT much better. All our MC's get custom suspension set up for our riding style weight and load.

My KTM 990 has Traxxion Dynamics front end and a Penske rear Shock

The Tenere is getting an Ohlins and a custom front end. The electronic suspension on my BMW was crap and failed I now have Ohlins on it.

Once you ride a motorcycle with proper well built suspension custom set for your style and weight you will never go back. Once the suspension is built it still needs to be adjusted.

Remember that you should have your suspension serviced every 10 -15 K miles, Suspension is a wear item that needs regular service



Venture said:
Gotta ask - is an Ohlins shock REALLY that much better? It is generally regarded as the cure-all for the Tiger 1050's stock suspension, but i dunno, I never thought stock was was that bad... perhaps being 165 lbs has something to do with it. Bigger guys need more support I guess.
 

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No time for a video, so i will just post this:

Ohlins shock for the WASPmobile - Stage2 - The install

Well, I haven't really had time to be mess'n around in the bike shed installing shock absorbers, but as I've said before "sometimes there are more important things to do than work" - It's all about priority's.

Anyway, after shirking work for a couple of hours I managed to get the new Ohlins shock installed as per the manufacturers instructions.
As soon as I opened the packaging and read the install procedure, or more importantly noted the recommended (brackets supplied) reservoir/adjusters location, I decided that their mounting system is SHIT but I would go along with it for the short term while I manufactured my own relocation brackets and modified the hose routing.

Following are the pics of the original shock removal, and install of the new Ohlins unit.

Remove the bottom links and shock fastener.


Unbolt the hose guide from the bottom rail and move to the side. Remove the top shock fastener.


And remove the OE shock out the right hand side of the bike.


Feed the new Ohlins shock back in through the same opening. Note: the gas rez banjo fitting faces forward.
I did actually remove it again the relocate the gas rez hose under the frame, as opposed to over the frame per the Ohlins suggestion.


Reinstall the top mount bolt to tighten later.


Installed the mount brackets to the gas rez and the hyd adjuster and installed both components in the recommended positions


Refit the bottom shock bolt and suspension links bolts and torque to specs.


The hose arrangement looks like a dogs breakfast IMO and shows a pathetic lack of imagination or attention to detail on Ohlins behalf. I sure hope the shock functions better than their install looks.
Believe it or not, it's actually suggested that the braided (gas rez) hose runs outside the the lower support structure tube.


Surely it could have been tucked away further or had a bit more thought put into it's location.
The hyd adjuster position is not too bad but still imposes some very untidy looking bends on the hose.




As I said, I plan to manufacture my own brackets and relocate/reroute the umbilicals and canisters to tidier and more user friendly locations.
My first thought is with the hydraulic spring adjuster. I will look at moving from the forward (hosey twisty) location to something like this where the hose is adopting a more casual and discrete lay.
This location actually offer easier access to turning the handle, and I think sets it in a more visually pleasing mount position.
A very simple and discrete laser cut stainless plate securing to the bolt for the pillion pegs.


This is where I (and obviously the very switched on "WorldCrosser" designer) believe the gas rez should be installed. It actually looks like this cavity was designed to house a gas reservoir.
I will have to crack the banjo fitting on the rez and turn it about 180degrees so that the hose runs back along the direction of the canister.
This position allow VERY EASY adjustment of the compression damping wheel on the go with gloves on if necessary.


Just like this...


I am yet to ride the bike with the shock installed but will offer a review as soon as I can find the time get out on the trails and do some adjustment to suit.
I plan to drop into the local suspension guru and get advise on spring/oil weight/level for the front forks (to more closely match the heavier sprung rear) but that may not be for some time as I must get back onto paying jobs..

Greg.
 

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Bill310 said:
stock rear suspension will be complete shite compared to an Ohlins
That's overstating it a bit, imho. An upgrade is always welcome but to declare the stock stuff complete shite (I assume this means worthless) is a fiction.
 

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The real question is whether it is worth the money replacing brand new suspension.

I think there are a lot of "brand" assumptions that go on ion this world, like the Ohlins must be good because they blow the BMW units out of the water. How bad are the BMW units in the first place?

Secondly YAMAHA used to be a shareholder in Ohlins. Did they learn something along the way?

Is the bike really made with cheap bits?

In time the standard suspension will degrade and it may be worth it then but we will see.

Thanks to people like WASP giving at a go, at least it will go someway to answering that question.

Cheers
Graham
 
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Hi Graham,

The real question is whether or not you have ever swapped out your suspension on a motorcycle and bought goo quality after market suspension parts.

I swap out my suspension on every bike because the after market components, Traxxion, Race Tech, Ohlins, Penske, etc is vastly superior to stock

Try and liken stock suspension to a stock seat, both are low quality compared to custom, try to accomodate everyone ,lack adjustability and in the case of OEM suspension one spring fits all.


Tbe BMW ESA suspension is only warranted for 5,000 miles and it cost double the price of a set of custom Ohlins to replace when it fails, how bad are the BMW OEM parts , they are pretty bad. However for the vast majority of riders who ride less than 3,000 miles a year OEM suspension seems ok. That is why when people go to ride a new MC it feels so much better than their 4 year old 12,000 mile MC - their stock suspension is worn out.


Good suspension can be serviced and should be on a regular basis.


You asked, " is the Bike really made with cheap bits ?" Yes it is and any savings in quality that it is not immediately noticeable to the consumer will be taken.

Why buy a nice motorcycle and not have it perform and handle in the best possible manner from the very start. How can a manufacturer build a spring to cover all the rider sizes they cant and riders over 200 pounds and under 115 pounds will have handling compromises from mile one

Example the front springs on an FJR from the factory are designed to work best for riders under 135 pounds ( as per the Race Tech calculator) My wife is 130 and the bikes front end is perfect for her combined with a lighter sprung Ohlins at the rear.

To each his own, the majority of the people I ride with toss the stock suspension out as soon as possible i.e. when they get the bike, it is your bike set it up as you please.







GrahamD said:
The real question is whether it is worth the money replacing brand new suspension.

I think there are a lot of "brand" assumptions that go on ion this world, like the Ohlins must be good because they blow the BMW units out of the water. How bad are the BMW units in the first place?

Secondly YAMAHA used to be a shareholder in Ohlins. Did they learn something along the way?

Is the bike really made with cheap bits?

In time the standard suspension will degrade and it may be worth it then but we will see.

Thanks to people like WASP giving at a go, at least it will go someway to answering that question.

Cheers
Graham
 
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Compared to custom built and tailored suspension the OEM setup is shite. There is no other way to describe it.

When you do an upgrade you will know this to be true.


20valves said:
That's overstating it a bit, imho. An upgrade is always welcome but to declare the stock stuff complete shite (I assume this means worthless) is a fiction.
 

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Bill310 said:
Hi Graham,

The real question is whether or not you have ever swapped out your suspension on a motorcycle and bought goo quality after market suspension parts.

To each his own, the majority of the people I ride with toss the stock suspension out as soon as possible i.e. when they get the bike, it is your bike set it up as you please.
I have no problem with what you are saying BUT what if you swapped the stock Ducati suspension out. It's Ohlins to start with isn't it.
So Stock can be V-Strom Stock or Ducati stock. I have no problems with replacing spring rates etc, but we are talking about pieces of metal not Brand names. Been plenty of "names" come and go, and plenty of "names" were overlooked until they became an "overnight" sensation.

That is all I am saying. I don't think all "stock" suspension is good or average or bad. I am just saying that one particular bikes "stock" may just be better than another bikes "stock" and there would therefore be less difference, and sometimes a few mods to the stock may get so damn close that you should have just done it in the first place and saved a load of cash for something more marginal.

No big deal, just I don't really give a shit about "brands" or nice colors. If they work fine, if I can pay the same money to a suspension specialist to do his stuff and it works just as well then probably just as good.

Been around too many industries where people pay big bucks for a name. It happens in all industries.

So I will say it again. I will be interested to see just how much difference the $900 shock that WASP bought makes. That is all.

And that is not as simple as better / worse either. I know Greg is pretty good at calling a spade a spade and explaining the difference between two spades in pretty good detail.

My last bike B4 the Strom had all the mod cons (as far as it could be taken) and was pretty good, not Ohlins good but good.
The Strom was better stock in some situations as the previous bike was set up with a heavy track bias. So the word good has to be taken in context. as well.

So for all the Ohlins fans out there..It's more a question of how far "behind" the stock suspension is. Where it's most behind and where the stock suspension is closer.

Cheers
Graham
 

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I wont start by "Quoting" all the questions and calls for justification of whether the Ohlins (or any manufacturers) upgrade is worth it compared to the OE suspension, or if indeed the OE suspension is any good.
My comments below are generally based around suspension requirements for (hard) off-road riding of the XT1200Z Super Tenere, and obviously base on my weight and riding style.

The OE suspension on this bike is DAMN GOOD right out of the box.. Joe Average will be able to get on this bike and with a few tweaks and adjustments have a plush, responsive, and very well controlled ride for day to day riding on highways, byways, and gentle off road.
However... The flexibility and degree of adjustment in this, or any suspension system for that matter, will only compensate for a limited range of factors. We are not all Joe Average, so what suits one will be so far out of the adjustment spectrum for another that it must require change or modification.

Again, as we all know, there are a number of parameters effecting correct suspension setup.
First and foremost generally is rider + load mass. We know that these, and most bikes manufactured these days, are suspended for around an 80-90kg (190ish LBS) rider. Yamaha threw spring pre-load into the mix so that you can compensate for a pillion and/or luggage to some extent but anytime that you adjust away from the optimum, you compromise.
What we must remember is that as Adventure riders it's very rare we ride naked ;), therefore we must either add a minimum of 15kgs of ATGATT to the equation, or remove 15kg from the optimium OEM setup weight. This would place the OEM suspension suitable for riders at around 75kg weight.... I dont know many 75kg riders capable enough to be able to muscle a bike of this mass around the bush with enough conviction as to be able to say that the suspension is correct for them. At 110kg in my birthday suit (pictures available at www.veteranpornstud.com O:)) I am far from the ideal rider weight that the designers had in mind during creation.

I mentioned "generally" above as I believe (apart from rider weight) the larger impact on suspension adequacy on these bikes is how or where they will be used. I believe that Yamaha designed this bike to be able to traverse highway to just about any sort of terrain, but at a responsible pace as to not over stress the suspension. I dont think their design brief allowed for hardcore, fat gutted, old MX/Enduro riders like me to thrash around on the sort of "off-road" that I ride on, and the pace that I enjoy riding at.
Another debilitating factor with the OEM suspension is the HUUUUGE un-sprung masses that this bikes suspension needs to attempt to control. The wheels, drive, swing-arm etc on this bike are massive and can very easily overwhelm the stock suspension when the going gets tough, hard, and fast off-road.

I dont like the idea of having to get a spring made, (or trying to locate a factory option (dont even know if they are available)), then having the valving and oil weight changed to suit my preference, and then at the end of the day still not having compression damping adjustment available.

I saw the Ohlins option as financially beneficial in that my OEM shock is sitting on the shelf for re-fit at re-sale, and, the Ohlins is "built/tailored" to suit my weight and the range of adjustment that I require.
Having a rear shock that is tailored to ME now means I can get the front forks spring weighted + oil weighted/level to balance the bike and suit MY needs.

It has been mentioned by a few "The OE suspension should be adequate" or "I always found the factory suspensions do the job just fine"..... They are adequate, and they do do the job just fine - IF YOU ARE JOE AVERAGE and then if your ride your bike on road, or on gentle off-road, or dont push like a mad man..

Greg.
 

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Very interesting thanks Greg ..

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