Oh My. Dave Fretigne Vid on the S10

[Dirt_Dad]

If you'll admit it, so will I.

Confession is good for the soul. Plus sooner or later someone from here is going to see me ride. At that point they would be scratching their head and wondering what the hell was he talking about. :question:

 

[kmac]

Not so.

ABS off for the rear brake skids I guess but I know with TC2 selected, the bike will power slide like a champ and keep the amateur, non-Dakar pro rider out of trouble. I use TC2 all the time on lake roads around here and the bike slides great! With TC off, you better know what you're doing 'cause 1200cc's will break the rear tire loose, real easy, all the way up to about 70 mph in the dirt.

Fixt.

He is definitely in TCS OFF mode much if not all of the time. That rear wheel is not just stepping out a bit like TCS2 allows. In TCS 2 it still chatters in and out of TC, He is in full spin with no chatter in all of those fast sliding scenes and in that wheelie scene. DEFINATELY TC off.

ABS on/off in that vid is a mix in my opinion. There are times when it looks and sounds like ABS is engaging, but there are also a few times when it is definitely off as the rear is in full lock and dragging around tight corners, so I think he is playing in both settings.

As to the easy wheel lofting, my guess is a reflash and maybe some unobtainium do dads but it can be accomplished in stock trim, although with a bit more physical body mechanics than it looks like he is using....he MUST have the CJM....lol

 

[trikepilot]

Confession is good for the soul. Plus sooner or later someone from here is going to see me ride. At that point they would be scratching their head and wondering what the hell was he talking about. :question:

I've seen you ride and caught your roost... no head scratching here!

 

[gombul]

Very nice. This has inspired me to find a nice closed circuit loop and do some experimenting with TC1,2-off.
I'm guessing Sport mode is a given in this vid?

 

[Dirt_Dad]

I've seen you ride and caught your roost... no head scratching here!

...sorry about that roost thing.

As far as some of those power slides, I'm saying TCS off. That's a favorite activity of mine, and TCS2 is much too restrictive. If I have to stop and turn off TCS every time my wheels touch dirt, there's no way that guy is leaving TCS on.

 

[kmac]

I have only watched the video once and could not see exactly what tires he is using. Anyone know or have a way of finding out what he is running....they seem to work.

 

[~TABASCO~]

Looks to be a Karoo's.... but maybe a Big Block...

 

[kmac]

I hope it is not Big Blocks. I have one on the rear of my R1100GS project bike and that thing is squirmy on tar and is 75% wore out at 1000 miles. That would be expensive on my Ten.

 

[snakebitten]

Newer Big Block? Current compound much better life.
And I love it on tarmac. For a knobby, it's been a pleasure.

This one will be dead with less than 3000 miles on it. But that's much better than the original compound. And still dirt cheap.

 

[kmac]

Unless they came out with a new compound in the last few months then it is the new compound.
I just find the rear end stepping out big time under hard acceleration while leaned over. My BMW does not have TC though. It was predictable and controllable but squirmy.
I am hard on tires though...always have been. Remember I am only getting 30-32 mpg on my Ten.... ::013::

 

[snakebitten]

Hard acceleration while leaned over.
Yea, doesn't sound like me on tarmac with a knobby.
I don't baby it, by all means, and I don't slow down at all. If it's 75 or 85mph time, then melting knobs is called for.

The new compound has been out for several months now. But reports were that old stock was still being sold in some places. Should be all gone by now though.

 

[trikepilot]

Snake - as per our discussions, I am looking at putting some knobbies on my "dirt bike" and had settled on trying the Big Blocks on your suggestion. If they melt off after carving a smile on my face, then so be it - should be a fun and inexpensive experiment. But is there any way to tell whether an ordered Kenda Big Block is old or new compound - like some sort of carcass marking or code number?

 

[Chequeneglia]

I can say that:

That´s not the same bike i own!!!! ::005:: ::022:: ::010::

seeing again the video, he is riding with the ABS on and TC off

 

[kmac]

Nice pull Cheques...good catch.

Ohlins shock with a reservoir. Likely High and Low speed compression....
and what is that on the swingarm? An anti jacking device? My bike does not jack bad enough to worry about that but I have not been jumping it...yet

 

[~TABASCO~]

LOL..... that rear guard is the World Cross rear brake guard.. We sell them.... That particular bike has the "World Cross" parts on it.. Its a Euro bike with Ohlins shock added....

 

[snakebitten]

Trikepilot,
I don't know of any markings on the tire that would help you differentiate. I did read an article that said you would have to have them side by side to see the very minor difference in block spacing.

I'll try to find the article and reference it for you.

It should be getting very difficult to find the old ones now. Just buy em from some place that has to order them? If they don't have old ones in stock, they will likely be getting new ones from distributor.

One thing for sure, if you still have a good strong tire after 1000 miles, it's the new ones.

 

[GrahamD]

seeing again the video, he is riding with the ABS on and TC off

Well then that settles it, The Pros torque steer the rear and the Amateurs skid steer.