New Tenere Owner and Fabricator

True Grip

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Clifford you remind me of my father in law. An inventor is always thinking. It's nice you have the skill and tools to put your ideas together.
I'm sure you have heard the saying about idle hands. Enjoy seeing your work, one guy in his shop making what pleases him. Thanks for posting!
 

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well put truegrip.

thanks for your reply Clifford. I don't want to tear you away from your own project (work of art) to get into another one before your's is finished. i think this could be the making of a very good side buisness for you.

keep up the good work and post your progress.
 

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True Grip said:
Clifford you remind me of my father in law. An inventor is always thinking. It's nice you have the skill and tools to put your ideas together.
I'm sure you have heard the saying about idle hands. Enjoy seeing your work, one guy in his shop making what pleases him. Thanks for posting!
Thanks guys! I worked a lifetime to get the toys and tools I have today. Is was all planned out more than 30 years ago!
I have a 3000 sq ft shop behind my Country Home and it's full of tools to build stuff with wheels on them.
I retired 4 1/2 years ago at 58 YO from my Career, and since I'm one of those Guys who hates to pay for something I can make.
I make most of my toys.
Been like this all my life. I
 

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I'm still working on them. Weekends are tough for me to get any shop work in. All my riding buddies want to ride on Saturdays and Sundays is usually spent at Church with the Family. So here' what I got done today.

It's getting there. I think I removed the parts about 100 times making sure I have the angles correct.

Got both of the lower side bars lower sockets spot welded in and the main loop in the right spot. That was quite an involved procedure with all these angles and widths.



Also the rear loops main mounting tabs are spot welded in and drilled, tapped and bolted in place. Big relief there too! Holding it all in place while I tried to fit the side bars was a challenge. Progress will pick up now that the main bar is anchored.

Did you guys know the Tenere's side panels are not symmetrical? They are different by one inch in all directions! Which made my symmetrical set of side brace bars a real waste of time. But, I did use the left one I made first.



Still have a lot of parts to bend and fit before I can call it good.
Once it's all spot welded together I'll take it apart for a final full burn in, then test the fitment to see if it warped any during the process.
Then I'll remove it all again to start prepping it for Powder Coating. That could take a full week to get done.
 

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wow looks great cliff. put a steeple on the roof of the shop and hold sunday service in there. everyone can help with mass production. ::012::
 

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sierraoffroad said:
wow looks great cliff. put a steeple on the roof of the shop and hold sunday service in there. everyone can help with mass production. ::012::
My wife is trying to talk me into investing in a CNC plasma table and CNC tubing bender.
I think she's trying to make me go back to work.
I keep trying to tell her I retired so I wouldn't have the hassles of a job.
I do know of a local company that I could farm this kind of work out to.
But then the price goes up.

I want to finish one first.
 

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This afternoons progress.

Right side Guard bars

I've gotten the side guard bars bent and fish mouthed like I want.

Left side Guard Bars.


View from the saddle (When I put the saddle back on, that is)

Left side is still a little off in the picture, but will be right when I weld it on!

Nothing welded yet. Tomorrow I'll build the receiver sleeves for the front loop. (Just like the ones below in the picture. The rear part of the guard bars will be welded. But the sleeves will allow the side bars to be removed. The side bars will have a threaded bar stock welded in so I can run a bolt through the main loop to hold the side guards in place. (And yes, I know it looks like they aren't parallel and won't come apart, but I have a trick for that to make it work. I'll explain later when I get to that part.)

Plans are still to have the side covers removable without removing the side guards. So far the battery side will clear. Tomorrow I'll make sure the radiator cover will come off. (It has to be spot welded in place before I can test the left side.)



In case someone doesn't know, those red things are magnets for welding. I've got lots of them!!!!!!
 

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Looking Good, and impressive symmetry for hand bending!

I have been thinking about a very similar design for a frame/skid plate combo that would complement my Altrider bars after putting a hole through my touratech skid plate, but thinking is about as far as I have gotten. This is good inspiration to get back on the project.

Ryan
 

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Make sure the bottom of your crash bars won't contact the ground on hard cornering. I've heard that's a problem with the RumBox. Some folks say they don't corner that hard as a matter of practice. But when you need to -- YOU NEED TO. Other than that the crash bars look real good.
 

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I'm getting short on the list of major things to bend.
Here's what's left to do.

A few more major parts and then the little tedious stuff starts. Like the tabs to mount the skid plate to and driving lights.

I still have the headlight loop to make and the lower cross bars for the skid plate bracing. A Yamaha Headlight shield to be fitted to the head light tube loop to protect the headlights from flying rocks. (I live in Rock Truck Country, so flying rocks are a big problem here).

The skid plates will be in two parts with the front part removable with 1/4 turn Aircraft Fasteners for access to the oil filter. My plan is to be able to remove the oil filter without spilling oil all over the lower skid plate or crash bars. And the lower section will have holes for access to the drain plugs. I'll make the initial skid plates out of 16 GA steel. Mainly because I have a lot of 16 GA Steel and the Aircraft aluminum I want to build them out of is on the procey side. So I"ll experiment with the steel, then once i'm happy with it I'LL maqke them out of Aluminum.

Then there is the left and right side loop bars to protect the water pump and hang the cruiser pegs on. (I like to move my feet around while I ride a lot, so being comfortable on long rides is important.) They will fold up so they won't stick out and hang up in a pavement slide.

One of my Philosophy's is "Enjoy the Ride but Dress for the Slide". And that goes for my bikes too!

I tend to lean them over a little more than most in the corners. so I'm building the crash bars for low side crashes primarily.
Old Crotch Rocket Riders are fearless that way!!!!!

And thanks for the tip ejy712, I'm working on tucking it all in tight so that in a slide the first thing to hit the cround on flat pavement should be the hand guards. That's "The Plan" any way. I'll run a flat boad test and check it.

Gotta run. My Grandson and I are headed out to gather some more little parts for this build.
 

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ya know cliff i think you need to head over to the patent office before it's too late. you are one awesome fabricator. the big companies need to rethink about their designs.
 

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sierraoffroad said:
ya know cliff i think you need to head over to the patent office before it's too late. you are one awesome fabricator. the big companies need to rethink about their designs.
Aw Shucks! Tain't nothing! (kicking the dirt!) :-[

I've spent a life time building things like this. I live way outside the BOX! :)
Ahead of my time I guess!

I've thought about the Patent Process several times over the course of my life.
Even talked to several Attorneys, and with today's climate, Patents aren't worth the paper they're written on in China. I could Patent my idea for about $5K to $10K and it would mean nothing. Even have a horror story about a design I tried to patent years ago, but it would take too much time to type it all out.
So I'll save that for another day!

Maybe one of these days a Fabrication Company will hire me as an outside Design Contractor or strike a Royalty Deal for me to design pieces or new products for them. Been told by Experts that I have a gift for thinking in 3 dimensions. I wouldn't know. Never knew any other way. :-[

I'm retired and don't want to get into the day to day production of products anymore.

But, Big Money talks Volumes! ::013::

Thank you guys for the Kind Words!
I can't tell you how nice it is to be appreciated.

Got some parts and sullplies picked up today so I'll be back at it tomorrow.
 

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Tonight's Episode!
Let me apologize first because the easiest things to build are the hardest to explain.
So this is a long post!

In the process of making these Crash Bars the side guards need to be strong but removable. Which means some bolted "T" joints. There are a lot of ways to accomplish these and on my Crash Bars I have bushing sleeves welded to the main loop where the side guards will attach using threaded inserts in the SG Tubing.

Like the ones on the lower section of this side bar.


The idea is to run a bolt through the Main Loop and into some threaded inserts welded inside the tubing. Today I made those inserts. And I'll show you how I did it.

First you need some threaded inserts that will fit inside your tubing. There are a lot of ways to accomplish this task. Just so you know, I'm staying with all metric bolts the same size and thread pitch that Yamaha uses on their other joints to simplify my onboard tool kit should I need to take the bike apart in BFE someday.

In this case the crash bar tubing is .75 wall 1 inch tubing. And the inner diameter just happens be real close to the inner diameter of a 1 inch hole saw blade.

I'm using 3/8 flat steel for the inserts. I sometimes use 1/2 plate to cut my inserts out of. In this case I used angle iron because the angle iron parts are for another project and I needed the holes in it anyway. Nothing like killing two projects with one cut.



This is the insert part I'm after.



Next I take that round part and thread it. In case you're wondering why I don't thread it before I use the hole saw, the 1/4 inch pilot bit is smaller than the 12 mm hole I'm going to thread. So after I drill out the insert I have to drill out and tap the insert like this.



And since I need four they look like this.



The inserts are a tight fit, but I'll cross drill the tubing before I tap them into the tubing and then weld them in place with a Rosette Weld through the holes in the side of the tubing to make them even stronger.
This will help make that a little clearer.



Still with me? Now when I go to bolt the tubes to the main loop I mentioned, they fit inside bushing sleeves. Here's a TIP. Tractor Supply sells DOM bushing sleeves that have a perfect 1 inch inside diameter. I will fish mouth the bushings to fit the angle of the loop joint tomorrow. If someone doesn't understand the term "Fish Mouth" let me know and I'll show some close up pictures of how and why that is so important. And even how they are made!

This picture will show you the tubing inside the bushing and the inserts next to them.
(sorry for the crappy picture, I didn't realize it was bad until I downloaded it.)


Here's a close up of the Tractor Supply Bushing should you want to try this. Very nice with no welded seam on the inside wall!



Tomorrow I'll cut the fish mouth angles on the bushings to match the tubing's angle of attachment at the joint. I'll show you an easy way to match (or duplicate )the fish mouth angle to another tube, no matter how extreme it is.
And I'll cross drill the tubing on both the Main Loop and the Side Guards for the 12 mm bolt that will hold them together. I built a drill guide that is fool proof for drilling at almost any angle. I'll show it tomorrow. It's so simple you'll do a face palm! DOAH!!!!

Doesn't look like much work for one day but I assure you I only spent about 2 hours total overall doing what you see in the pictures. And that includes cutting and drilling with the hole saw. I have other projects underway, so I don't get to concentrate on just one project at a time while I'm out there. Sometimes it's set the band saw to making a cut then go do something else until it's cut.

Plus it's about 35 degrees out in the shop, so I spent a lot of time in front of the heater too!!!!!
It's a big shop and takes a lot to keep a place that big warm enough to stay comfortable in.
 

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This build thread is awesome. I'm following it like a ride report. LOL

Kinda curious though, why you're using 12mm bolts to hold those joints together when 8mm should be enough. At some point, weight has to be a concern, unless your plan is titanium for the final version. Ha Ha!
 

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Same bolts as the upper seat frame bolts. Only converted to Pan Head Allen instead of the Torque Head that in there now.(Same Grade 10 Bolt too!)
This means no swapping wrenchs during removal. And no running to the dealership to tighten those bolts.
And I want the crash bars ROBUST.

We're only talking an ounce.

These are not Decorator Bars to give the impression I am a Paris Dakar Wanna Be.
I build Crash Bars to give as much protection as possible. Think NAscar Race Car!

I've crashed my KLR 10 times hard, and it has sustained no damage because of it's crashbars I built for it.
It is still running the original turn signal lenses it came with.
 

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Good job, IMO that little beak you made to protect the headlight it's all you need and the only beak that looks good on a Tenere , BMW just might steal your idea for the next GS models. :)
 

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Last night I showed you the DOM Sleeves and how I made threaded inserts. Tonight's Episode will explain how all that works together. When done, the side bars can be unbolted from the Motorcycle frame and main crash bar loop.

Today the right side guard is done. (Kinda Sorta) It's tack welded and bolted into place where it's going to stay. It will get the final welding once all the pieces are made and fit together where they will stay.





Used this bad boy to cut the fish mouths on the guard tubing and the sleeves.



Here's the Side Guard tube and sleeve fish mouthed the same. The sleeve being bigger diameter makes it look like it's off, but it will wrap around the Main Loop a llittle where it will be welded. A very stout set up this way.



This is were this threaded inserts go I talked about yesterday. You'll notice it has a spot weld on top called a Rosette Weld. There are two of these welds and they will be belt sanded so the will fit inside the sleeve smoothly again.



I talked about a drill bit guide I build for making sure I hit the Main loop in the right spot for the bolt to align up with the threaded insert.
This is the guide.



Remember the inserts I cut last night. These are the same thing, only not bored and threaded. I tap them into a short cut off piece of 1 inch tubing from the tubing I'm using for the crash bar build. Then the drill bit is placed through the hole and the guide in the sleeve. Perfect center every time.



I'll be reinforcing the Main Loop Tube with a bolt sleeve to prevent crushing when the guard bolt is tightened down. But, this is some fairly heavy wall tubing so this step could be skipped.


In case you're wondering how to know what angle to make the fish mouth here's how. I lay the two intersecting tubes as close to the position as I think I want, then use this little tool measure the angle.
(I have a digital one too, but it's a lot bigger and hard to work with for picture taking, with only two hands.)



I will test fit and hand grind a scrap piece of tubing to check the angle until I'm satisfied, then get then measure the angle. Next that # is transferred to the cutter tool. You'll notice the little digital angle finder is used to make sure a precision angle is done the first time. Remember, use a scrap piece to verify the angle before committing to the bent tubes that have hours of work getting the shapes and bends just so. Once the angles are right then go for broke!



With the Weekend here there probably won't be any posting of the build progress. Mainly because the Weather promises to be great this weekend and there's some riding to be somewhere.
I think I spend as much time doing this build report as I do actually building!!!!!!!!!

Wow, well that's it for tonight.
 

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Nice work Clifford.
I haven't commented before 'cause I'm jealous.

Jealous because my old Hossfeld bender can't start bends that close together and because you have the time!
I've done a couple of mockups but still haven't arrived at a solution yet. It would be so much easier if the mounts were symmetrical to the center-line.

I've used that type of connector before. Are you going to weld a spigot in the main tube?
I really like interlocking tube connectors. Look these up, you may get some new ideas.

Where did you get that digital angle meter?
 
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