as seen on the new 2019 Tracer 900, will bet Yammy will use the same TFT screen for the next major Super Tenere update ...
new digital screen for the 3rd ST generation ??
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greenwall
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I've already heard complaints about the new Tracers TFT screen. Much of its info is too tiny for many to read. Obviously that's not a TFT only issue, but it is one the reasons I like my Tenere. Big numbers. I don't really care if they're colorized. But I know it's the new must have.
jeepinoutwest
Active Member
I'll be an early adopter of the Gen3 but ONLY if it has my latest must have option, Cornering ABS controlled by an IMU. I'd prefer that it also incorporate lean sensitive traction control while they're at it, but a TFT display means nothing to me, especially if they have to raise the price more than $2 for it.
mebgardner
Active Member
I've worked in the commercial and military aircraft flight deck instrumentation / display industry (Boeing and MD, Sperry and Honeywell), so I've seen a thing or two.
I've also seen motorcycle digital displays come and go for a few decades now.
This one is not horrible for it's mission. It's not great either. The tach display across the top like this one is usually not a great display of info.
I do wonder who the OEMs hire to influence the design for the human interface for these displays. If you read "Faceplant" over on ADVRider, there are intermittent write-ups on display distractions while riding. Same is true for flying (the traffic is different, but the intent is the same: High density information presentation at critical times). There are formats / layouts that convey information better than others. I would have thought that the OEMs would now be "honing in" on the layout that conveys it "best", by now.
Apparently not yet.
I've also seen motorcycle digital displays come and go for a few decades now.
This one is not horrible for it's mission. It's not great either. The tach display across the top like this one is usually not a great display of info.
I do wonder who the OEMs hire to influence the design for the human interface for these displays. If you read "Faceplant" over on ADVRider, there are intermittent write-ups on display distractions while riding. Same is true for flying (the traffic is different, but the intent is the same: High density information presentation at critical times). There are formats / layouts that convey information better than others. I would have thought that the OEMs would now be "honing in" on the layout that conveys it "best", by now.
Apparently not yet.
I must be old school....I like my analog. If digital, at least let me customize what it looks like and what it displays. That's one of my favourite things about Gen 1 is the dash....simple to look at, just the info needed, not too busy.
Forgot about the V-Max, I had the FJR in mind.Desoto said:
I think it's safe to say that the Tenere has not been a success for Yamaha. They're selling a lot of 3 cylinders, they're getting a huge variety of bikes from basically one platform. Something like a Tenere would require a dedicated ground up design. Too much money, without enough return.
mebgardner
Active Member
I agree with you, but not for the same reason. I believe the current model Tenere has likely returned Yamaha's Non Recurring Expenses (NRE), one-time costs, over the model's lifetime. Engineering is expensive, but if you sell enough units, the market sales will eventually pay that part down. It's the Recurring Expenses (RE), the "keeps the doors open" for this model costs, that I believe may be a problem for them, right now.regder said:
Those other three cylinder models, they share many common parts bins. So, the NRE and RE for those systems are also shared. Lower volume can be spread across many models, and still be profitable.
But the Tenere, it's kinda "one off". I can not think of another Yamaha model that the Tenere shares parts bins with. So, the NRE may be paid down by now, but theres no sharing of the RE at the factory, for this model line.
Eventually, when one sees the writing on the wall that there will no longer be enough willing market, will never be enough buyers, that one makes the decision: Redesign, or close the line. On a "one off" model like this, there are emotional and political consequences as well. Walking away from a model type, also means giving up a market position. Think of that in the context of what it means to be Japanese for a moment.
So, too much money with not enough return. Yes, I agree with that point too. A redesign decision has a dependency on a projection of future sales, which is somewhat reflected in current model sales, and used model sales (also tracked now, remember). The market has changed a great deal since the introduction of the original model Tenere. I believe projections of future sales must be pretty dismal at this time for this model type, for this particular manufacturer. So many things about the market have changed: Waning interest from upcoming buyers, aging out of current buyers, more competitors offering newer models, overall market depression, political interference, smaller market share for comparable machines, growth of other market segments, growth of other markets (ie: Not US).
All these factors, and a bit of luck / magic, make for a pretty complex software algorithm.
No one talks about a new redesign Tenere. There's not enough sales to justify all the NRE for redesigning just the display interface for the current model. That's my view.
WJBertrand
Ventura Highway
Not that it's my thing, but I think the Tenere's engine would work well in scrambler application that's currently all the rage. Some kind of naked standard bike, with a Tenere engine, might be pretty cool too.
Jeff Milleman
Active Member
That TFT display is on the 700 Tenere i,ve seen and read about , I 'll keep my s10 but it would be fun to run around on that chain driven lighter 700 in the dirt...If and when it comes to the US.
Xclimation
Well-Known Member
Super Tenere's are also popular Police bikes in Europe so hoping that influences keeping it around...
Every Effing year people say the model is not successful and here's the same whine from 5 years ago:
USA Bids Farewell to the Super Tenere - We Hardly Knew Ya'...
http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=9327.msg155178#msg155178
The bike has been in production for NINE YEARS now and as said a number of times before, the Super Ten shares a lot with the FJR and some other models. The company will introduce a new update on model A and then the next year bring it into models B and C along with some new feature to B and C. Plus, Yamaha doesn't look at these bikes the way we in the US does. Quit trying to apply American consumer logic to a World bike which partially exists simply to have a stake in the big adventure market. Yamaha has a very well defined model refresh rotation and it'd be a shock to not have a Gen3 bike come out this winter. Now that it is on their other models (and probably costs less to make), I'd be very surprised to not see something like a TFT screen on the next Super Ten.
As for the TFT display itself, I wasn't a fan with it in the Hondas and am still not a fan.
