Need advise on upcoming trip to Alaska!

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bob dirt said:
AND, when you come up to stopped traffic at a construction zone, move up to the front of the line....that's what you do in Canada while on a bike ::001::

::008:: BTW, I don't know if this has been mentioned before or not, but don't bring any firearms into Canada. It's just not worth the hassle. Even if it is allowed into the country, and some aren't, it will have to be securely stowed, and the various provincial firearms / hunting laws will not allow you to use them. Canada is extremely paranoid about firearms. You do NOT have the right to bear arms in Canada. It is a highly guarded and restricted privilege. Just the way it is. And definitely no handguns. That will drive them up the wall.


Just my $.02. Leave them at home. And if you try to sneak one in and get caught, you will find yourself in more trouble then you ever imagined. If you're concerned about bears, etc., just travel with someone you can out run, or who smells worse than you do. R ::015::
 

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The Dalton changes from day to day. We left Fairbanks at 4:00 am and the road was great all the way to Coldfoot. Just North of CF the weather .................... I paid ten bucks for a ham sandwich, but it was the biggest, best ham sandwich I've ever had. They also had Dalton related hats, shirts and stickers.
Thanks much Old Rider. Very useful information.
 

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Yo, Tenerester ...... please be advised that you are most welcome to stop by the Chateau Rem-o just south of Whitehorse. I am pretty well out in the boonies. I can offer you lots of ground space, maybe some floor space inside, garage with lift and tools, water, shower, cooking facilities, etc. It's a nice spot. Just give me a head's up as to when you might be passing through. Or if you're going to motel it, come on out anyway and service your bike. I'm about 2 miles from the Alaska Highway, and then another two miles from the Yamaha dealer. You boys be careful. Hope to see you. R
Thanks so much Rem. We just might take you up on that offer.
Question for you: Is motor oil (10w-40) very expensive out there at the dealerships compared to the south?
 

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bob dirt said:
Another thing you might want to know...While in Canada, watch for little orange cones along the right side of the road. They indicate a problem area such as maybe a frost heave or a big pot hole. Took me a while to figure that out, but finally my common sense kicked in.

AND, when you come up to stopped traffic at a construction zone, move up to the front of the line....that's what you do in Canada while on a bike ::001::
Noted. Thanks Bob.
 

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rem said:
::008:: BTW, I don't know if this has been mentioned before or not, but don't bring any firearms into Canada. It's just not worth the hassle. Even if it is allowed into the country, and some aren't, it will have to be securely stowed, and the various provincial firearms / hunting laws will not allow you to use them. Canada is extremely paranoid about firearms. You do NOT have the right to bear arms in Canada. It is a highly guarded and restricted privilege. Just the way it is. And definitely no handguns. That will drive them up the wall.


Just my $.02. Leave them at home. And if you try to sneak one in and get caught, you will find yourself in more trouble then you ever imagined. If you're concerned about bears, etc., just travel with someone you can out run, or who smells worse than you do. R ::015::
Thanks Remo. We are a bunch of Canadians ...... so you will first need to show us what a firearm is.. ;D
 

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Tenerester said:
Thanks so much Rem. We just might take you up on that offer.
Question for you: Is motor oil (10w-40) very expensive out there at the dealerships compared to the south?

Everything up here is very expensive. I use synthetic and it will cost you 15 - 20 bucks a quart / litre.
 

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Tenerester said:
Thanks Remo. We are a bunch of Canadians ...... so you will first need to show us what a firearm is.. ;D

DUH !!!! I didn't even notice your location, sorry. Then you know all about our (their) extreme fear and loathing of firearms. Across Provincial boundaries is almost as bad. R
 

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Questions for those reached the Arctic waters via Dalton HWY: where did you leave/store your bikes and gear in Deadhorse until you returned from the bus trip to the ocean? How many hours does it take in total for the trip to the ocean?
Appreciate your input.
 

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My son and I just left or bikes with all gear on them in the Arctic Caribou Inn parking lot.
I don't think people that make the trip all the way up there are out to steal your dirty gear.
If I remember right it lasted about an hour. That's after you watch their movie.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful here but when your in the First Nation lands you really need to watch your stuff.
Like at the Liard Hot springs , the ranger at the entry station told us to leave our bikes right there out side her booth so she could watch them.
And the camp ground in Inuvik has 24 hour security.
Deadhorse may be First Nation Lands but it was all workers and tourist. [Travelers] is a better term.


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Thanks Steve. Some say if the bike is left covered in such places, the chances of theft (stuff that can be easily unhooked from the bike duffel bags, camping equipment, GPS etc) is minimized. Hoping to carry a bike cover anyway.
 

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Make sure to call a day or two in advance and get reservations for the Artic Ocean bus trip. They have to have time to do a background check on you.
 

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We took camping gear to Alaska, but never had to use. We were told, however, it is good to carry a tent in case of a break down. Gets you out of the weather and away from the bugs if you have to wait for help. Also, pack half the clothes you need on do laundry once.
 

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The big thing to me when up there every couple of years is to take bear precautions to heart after seeing how they can rip an airplane apart. I whistle or sing while in the bush, including just to take a leak next to the road, and take food precautions REALLY serious.
 

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Hi, I took a 2015 July 25 to August 18 Alaska road trip from Northern California to Coeur d' Alene-Banff-Jasper-Dawson Creek-Fort Nelson-Lake Muncho-Teslin-Skagway. Then South through Cassiar Highway, Bell Hot Springs, Hyder/Stewart/ then on down to Whistler and Vancouver to Victoria and then south on Highway 101 to home again. The entire route I described is paved now so I did it on a Honda NC700 with Michelin Power Pilot 4s.

Fuel: yes, carry at least a gallon of extra fuel. When you arrive at a place with fuel-fuel up-the next one may be closed. When you arrive for the night and there is fuel-fuel up before checking in to your room because the gas station may run out, the owner may get in a huge argument with his wife and leave with the keys, you get the idea.

Lodging is somewhat expensive unless you take into account that nobody wants to open a motel in the middle of nowhere and just go broke.

Buy a small supply of fresh fruit and snacks whenever you go by a grocery store that doesn't need extensive refrigeration because that may be all you get to eat because of some mishap in the kitchen. It is nice to have something to nibble on at a rest stop. Canada is great for having those. I carried powdered milk and a small box of grape-nuts and instant coffee just so I could take care of myself in the motel room. Not because of the money but because you can't consume a big logger's breakfast unless you are actually going to go out and run a chain saw or set chokers all day. By the way if you eat the logger's breakfast you better be ready to run fast when he gets back from the bathroom.

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Be ready for rain. I am sure there is more to say but others have probably already said it. Have as much fun as I did (I was solo) and you will have a great time.
 

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As far as your bikes. Thousands of bikes make the trip to Alaska every year. Every conceivable make and model of bike from a Grom to a Electra Glide can do it. A stock S10 can do it easily. Just make the bike functional and comfortable for your needs. While I worked at the university in Fairbanks we would have 3-400 riders stay on campus each summer; most were headed to Deadhorse. Again, you name the bike and it has made it to Deadhorse. A Goldwing did it pulling a trailer (and got a ticket for doing 70 in a 35 zone); two women in their 70s did two-up on a Vespa, fastest I ever saw it done was 6 hours 45 min from Deadhorse to Fairbanks on a FJR running Metzler 880 tires (John Ryan) and a Dutch guy did it on an R1 in February. My point is don't over think it. Ride within your skill level (leave a 20% margin) and adjust for conditions (rain and construction zones).

I wrote the note below in response to a request from a friend. I think it will be helpful to you as well. We lived in Fairbanks many years.

A few random thoughts. Annie and I have ridden or driven to and from Alaska a dozen or so times. I’ve been on the haul road in a truck, on a snogo and on a motorcycle. I’ve done the TOW highway many times and most other roads in Alaska and the Yukon.

Routes: There are three basic ways to travel between the lower 48 and AK: the ALCAN Hwy, the Cassiar Hwy and the ferry from either Prince Rupert or Bellingham, WA. There are multiple variations on each route, but you should try to take one option north and another south. The ride to and from AK is perhaps the best part of the experience so don't treat it as a chore to get out of the way.

I suggest heading north to Nelson, Nukusp, Revelstoke, Golden and then to Lake Louise and the Icefield Parkway to Jasper (an alternative is to go to Radium Hot Spings and then through Kootenay Park to the Icefield Parkway. Worth the diversion.). From Jasper head Entrance, Grande Cache, Grade Prairie and then to Dawson Creek to begin the ALCAN. From there to AK is pretty straight forward. Coming south, take the ALCAN to Nugget City (12 miles north of Watson Lake) and pick up the Cassiar Hwy (Hwy 37). The Cassiar is much less developed than the ALCAN and a more enjoyable ride in my opinion. Be sure to divert into Hyder, AK when you ge to Meziadin Junction. The 40 mile road into Hyder is a fantastic ride. Glaciers, lakes and often bears galore. We once saw over 20 black bears along side the road on a ride into Hyder. Depending on the time of year, while in Hyder you can ride the six mile to Fish Creek and watch the bears go after salmon and you can make the ride up to the glacier. Eat at the School Bus and get some fudge at Caroline's Boundary Gallery & Gifts. From Meziadin Junction head down to Kitwanga and pick-up Hwy 16 to Prince George then south to Kamloops.

We never carry extra fuel and have never had an issue. Just don't pass a fuel point if you are at half a tank or less. Things close up in the evening and some fuel points further north do not have card reader pumps, so no fuel.

Make sure you either have a cell plan for Canada or you turn off the data roaming on your phone. If you leave the data on, then things can get real expensive real fast. In our experiences with Verizon, texts are at the normal rate and calls are more expensive, but not outlandish.

Camping? A whole different topic. Laird Hot Springs is a great place to stop and camp. Nice, well maintained hot springs and well managed camping spots. Pit toilets, no showers but water points are available. The Milepost will provide info on places to camp.

If you are going to use motels then plan to stop earlier in the day (around 4 PM) because they motels tend to fill-up. Getting anything in or around Fort Nelson has been very difficult because of the oil fields, but that may be no longer the case with the crash in oil prices. Motels in whitehorse are also often booked. It is the only significant town in the Yukon and hosts many events. Reservations can never hurt, but we have not made them and have always found a place. In Fairbanks you can stay on the campus of the University of Alaska Fairbanks. Housing was one of the areas I oversaw while I worked at the university. Will be much cheaper than a motel. In Haines Junction be sure to stop at their bakery. It is a block off the ALCAN behind the Raven Motel (super expensive). If you want to stay in HJ then ask at the bakery about the Paddlewheel Cabins. Very reasonable cabins that will sleep 4.

Make sure you are equipped and know how to plug/patch a tire/tube An electric pump is a good idea as well. Start with new tires and the bike recently serviced. No need for knobbies going up or down. Both the ALCAN and Cassiar are paved, although you may hit some long construction sites that have no pavement. In Fairbanks a great place for tire work is Adventure Cycle Works. Dan offers 24/7 service in the summer.

Even in July plan to ride in 80 degree temperatures, and plan to ride in day long rain with temperatures in the 30s... on the same day. There will be bugs, especially mosquitos. Bring good bug dope and a head net. Plugging a tire with a bazillion biting devils after you is not fun.

You'll need a passport.

It is possible to get permission to take a handgun into Canada, but getting permission is not easy. Do not try to sneak in a handgun. If you get caught it will be a life changing event.

If you have a criminal record, even just a DWI, you cannot enter Canada without a waiver. The two countries share databases. Imagine if they turn you away at the border leaving Alaska… you’d be super screwed.
 

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racer said:
We took camping gear to Alaska, but never had to use. We were told, however, it is good to carry a tent in case of a break down. Gets you out of the weather and away from the bugs if you have to wait for help. Also, pack half the clothes you need on do laundry once.
Thanks Racer. We don't usually camp on long trips, but this time we want to try it out if the weather is good.
 

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Checkswrecks said:
The big thing to me when up there every couple of years is to take bear precautions to heart after seeing how they can rip an airplane apart. I whistle or sing while in the bush, including just to take a leak next to the road, and take food precautions REALLY serious.
Noted. Thanks.
 

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mercurydog47 said:
Hi, I took a 2015 July 25 to August 18 Alaska road trip from Northern California to Coeur d' Alene-Banff-Jasper-Dawson Creek-Fort Nelson-Lake Muncho-Teslin-Skagway. Then South through Cassiar ................. there is more to say but others have probably already said it. Have as much fun as I did (I was solo) and you will have a great time.
Thanks for the advise.
 

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Pterodactyl said:
As far as your bikes. Thousands of bikes make the trip to Alaska every year. Every conceivable make and model of bike from a Grom to a Electra Glide can do it. A stock S10 can do it easily. Just make the bike functional and comfortable for your needs. While I worked at "................you cannot enter Canada without a waiver. The two countries share databases. Imagine if they turn you away at the border leaving Alaska… you’d be super screwed.
Thanks Kevin. That's a lot of valuable information.
 
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