My quest for the perfect motorcycle(s)

bmac

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I am currently on a quest to find what I consider the perfect motorcycle or perfect combination of motorcycles. My belief, up to this point has been that 3 motorcycles was the right number for. I want a hooligan bike that has more power than I need, a bike that is great for touring and two up as well as something that is fairly sporty to fill the middle ground.

First a little background: I have been riding motorcycles for 40 years and is my one true passion. I am 6'2" and weight 230 pounds. I retired a bit early (age 54) a couple of years ago so I have plenty of time (and enough money) to read a bunch, test ride everything I can, and buy and sell as needed.

My priorities:
1 Comfort/Power. This is a tie as I value both about the same. I am less willing to put up with an uncomfortable bike and I want a bike with a fair amount of power. I want a bike that I can ride for hours on end without endless squirming. A full day of riding may be as long as 12-14 hours. I favor strong low and midrange torque. It doesn't have to be 160hp but 100hp is about the minimum.
3 Reliability. I want a bike that I don't have to worry about and if something does go wrong it can be fixed in a reasonable amount of time at a reasonable cost.
4. Versatility. I want a bike that can tour, ride two up, handle the sporty sections, and is fine for a gopher run.
5. Value. This is more than just cost. I am willing to pay more provided I get more.

I am a road rider that may hit an occasional gravel road and might consider a fire road. There is no serious off road riding in my future.

In 2006 I bought an FJR1300 as they had improved the heat issue from the previous version. This was a really good motorcycle and with a few changes I was pretty happy with it. It was a little tight for me and I wanted to find a bike with more leg room and space in general. The adventure category seemed to fit my needs. I looked at several and test rode a few. I couldn't justify the price of the BMW and with a history of good luck with Yamaha I decided on a Super Tenere.

When I found and purchased a Super Tenere in the spring of 2012 I had intended to keep the FJR along with my 2003 Aprilia Tuono. After two weeks of riding both the FJR and the S10 I sold the FJR as I knew I would not be riding it very much. The FJR has a great engine but it was not nearly as comfortable as the S10 and it did not carry it's weight as well as the S10.

The 2012 Super Tenere was quite good. I had only taken one long trip of 2000 miles and it was quite good. The factory luggage was ok but I really did not like the locking system. Overall, I was quite happy with it. It was great for running errands, playing in the twisties, taking the wife for a ride, and just about anything else. I would prefer a little more power and a little less weight but overall it is a pretty complete package.

In 2013 I decided to add a Goldwing to the fleet. My wife was riding with me quite a bit so I thought it would be perfect for her, and it was. She loved it, but I hated it. After 45 minutes I couldn't stand it anymore and I had to get off. It is not designed for a tall person. I didn't have nearly enough leg room and the handlebars came back way too far. It was an 800 mile test ride that cost me $3500. I sold it as soon as I could find a buyer. The S10 is much more comfortable for a tall guy. I also picked up a 2007 Tuono and sold the 2003. I always liked the 2nd generation Tuono and can go out into the garage just to look at it.

This is brings us to the early summer of 2014. I decided to visit my sister and her family in CA and I would be riding my S10. The trip ended up being 4700 miles in 8 days of riding. Longer days and quicker than I had anticipated but family concerns led me to get back sooner than I had planned. During this trip, where I had several days of over 700 miles, the one thing that really bugged me was the vibration and at higher speeds over long stretches. This hadn't bothered me much before but when I strung several long days with my hand always on the throttle I decided that something needed to change. I spent a lot of time each day thinking about the vibration. I also felt the bike could use a little more power as I found myself downshifting quite a bit to make passes.

When I got back I decided something needed to change. I sent my CPU to ECUnlueashed and installed a Staintune pipe. The bike sounded better and it definitely performed better but it really didn't do much to help with vibration. I ran it for awhile but by late summer I decided to look at other options.

I looked at a bunch and test rode a BMW, Triumph and Multistrada. I was looking at the GS but the dealer had an RT ready to go so I took that out to see how the new liquid cooled engine felt. It had decent power but I did not like how the engine felt (different kind of vibration) so I did not bother test riding a GS. The Multi was pretty good but for some reason it didn't quite mesh with me. The riding position felt a little confining for me. The Triumph felt pretty good but I did not like the clunky gearbox. The Honda Crosstourer looked pretty good but since they weren't bringing it to the US it was crossed off the list.

I stopped by my local Yamaha dealer and inquired about trading in my 2012 S10 for a 2014 Super Tenere ES before I test rode one. I was pretty sure the number was going to be pretty big so I kinda assumed it wasn't going to make sense. They quoted me a really good number and after thinking it over I told them they had a deal provided the test ride went well.

I had read all about the improvements to the 2014 so I was hopeful it would work out.

As I began my test ride I knew within the first mile that I was going to do the deal. The 2014 was a vast improvement over my 2012. The vibration was almost completely gone and it felt far stronger than my flashed 2012. I bought it that day.

I now have a little over 3000 miles and am extremely happy with it. It is extremely versatile, extremely comfortable, and has adequate power. I would still be happy with a little more power and slightly less weight but I am not complaining. It is, as is, a very complete package.


Last fall in addition to the S10 I found a fully farkled used FZ-09 and picked it up. It has a great engine but did not do it for me as far as comfort is concerned. I would rather ride the Tuono so I sold it and picked up and FJ-09 this spring to fill the gap (or so I thought) between the S10 and the Tuono. After 2400 miles on the FJ I decided that for everything I was using the FJ for I would rather take the S10. The FJ is now for sale as well.

So, for now, I will have two motorcycles in the garage the 2014 Super Tenere ES and the 2007 Aprilia Tuono. The Tuono is great for 20 or 30 blast and the Super Tenere is great for everything else.

It may be possible that two motorcycles fills all my needs but we will see. I still have my eyes on a BMW S1000XR and will decide what to do after a test ride this summer. As of now, no other bike that I have found is as good for me as the 2014 Super Tenere because if there was I would own it.
 

Vanderwho

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Interesting. With about three months of '14 ES ownership, I find myself in the unusual position of not being seriously interested in anything else in the showrooms. I think the Versys 1000 was a good effort, but I would never give up my factory cruise control or shaft drive. I like to look at interesting used bikes on Craigslist (most recently, Honda Hawk GTs) but that's just daydreaming. I think the ST and I are going to be together for quite a while.
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greg the pole

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great write up...i'll be honest.. I didn't read the whole thing. :)
Now..I do share a lot of the sentiments about bike choice.

Super tenere gen 1 gen 2.

I'm currently on a 2011 ST, with flashed ecu, 2014 basket, manual cct etc..tons of add ons. I will be keeping it for a good little while, unless a deal come available on a non es 2014 and up.

FZ09/FZ07/FJ09-Shit's and giggles bike.
I have owned a FZ09, and after modding it to my liking, and using it for 5k km, I sold it on. Didn't quite do it for me, not sure why, but it didn't.
i since replaced it with a fz07, and I'm much happier with this bike. It's frugal, it wheelies like crazy, and corners like it's on rails (no not on the stock suspension, thank you)
I did look at the fj before I bought the fz07, but felt it lacked finishing...and it was really close to the tenere in possibilites (where and how you could ride it) except for gravel

What were your honest thoughts on the FJ?

Interestingly I also tried a fjr for a short while, I didn't enjoy it. Tank felt wide, and it felt very heavy. Heat was an issue.
 

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greg the pole said:
What were your honest thoughts on the FJ?
The big difference between the FJ/FZ and the Super Tenere are wheelbase and footpeg position. The footpegs on the FJ are 4 inches farther back. I have determined that is the main reason why it does not quite feel right. The suspension is also harsher. The only times I would rather be on the FJ instead of the S10 is on really tight switchbacks. The seat didn't work for me either. In order for me to get to my liking I would change the seat, windscreen, handlebars (not enough bend), and the footpeg position. It is not worth the effort as I have luggage and cruise on the S10.
 

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bmac said:
The big difference between the FJ/FZ and the Super Tenere are wheelbase and footpeg position. The footpegs on the FJ are 4 inches farther back. I have determined that is the main reason why it does not quite feel right. The suspension is also harsher. The only times I would rather be on the FJ instead of the S10 is on really tight switchbacks. The seat didn't work for me either. In order for me to get to my liking I would change the seat, windscreen, handlebars (not enough bend), and the footpeg position. It is not worth the effort as I have luggage and cruise on the S10.
thanks for that. I guess I'll be giving the fj a miss. The 7 is a good bike. Only complaint is the bar (easy fix). Great run about bike.
 

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Great write-up. I DID read the whole thing. :) I've had my '12 S10 since October 2012, and it's been great. Flashed ECU, and 2014 clutch basket make me a happy camper as far as the engine goes. And the ergonomics are all dialed in. But yes, the weight. I find myself wanting something lighter sometimes. I think the perfect number of bikes, for me, would be three. Maybe keep the S10, add a WR250R, and an FZ-09. I think that would cover all of my different moods. But I'm limited to space. I'm the kind of person who absolutely HAS to put both vehicles in the garage, so that leaves little room for bikes. Two bikes would fit, but I would have to move them every time I had to get to the work bench. I also get bored with bikes after three years or so, which is how long I've had the S10. (This October anyway) I've thought about selling the S10, and doing a drastic switch to something like a DR650. But in the end, I'm afraid I would miss the S10, and regret selling it. Damnit!!! Need......more.......SPACE!!!!
 

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Had a 89 Fj1200 put a lot of miles on it,then went to the 04 FJR and the heat was why I sold it.Bought a 07 Bandit 1250,nice bike but missed the FJR.Sold it and bought a 08 FJR great bike does everything pretty well.Got a little itchy and bought a 09 Raider put 5000 miles nice ,but not my style.Think I bought to bust balls of my buddies that all ride HD.Then went the other way and got a 09 R1,fun bike a bit cramped and would have got in trouble with that bike.Picked up a 650 Vee Strom and enjoyed it ,a little bit of dirt roads fun easy bike to ride.Found a killer deal on a used 2013 FJR 2000 miles on it thinking I could sell my 08 FJR and keep the VStrom.All I got were low offers so I sold the 2013 FJR then sold the Vstrom.Picked up a 2013 Tenere with 180 miles on it this winter and am enjoying the hell out it.There might be enough contrast to my 08 FJR to keep at least for a while.So much fun trying different bikes.
 

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Interesting , I also have a 07 Tuono and 2012 SuperTenere, but found I needed a small Dualsport as well ,so purchased a Suzuki 400.

Not sure why everyone feels the 2014 ES is faster than the older model? I know it's heavier and after testing my 2012 reflashed bike against a 2014 ES , I can tell you the 2014 was slower. Now I feel if the 2014 was also flashed it would of been even.
When I first tried the 2014 I also thought it was punchier, but was proven wrong in side by side drag race.
 

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Tengai said:
Interesting , I also have a 07 Tuono and 2012 SuperTenere, but found I needed a small Dualsport as well ,so purchased a Suzuki 400.

Not sure why everyone feels the 2014 ES is faster than the older model? I know it's heavier and after testing my 2012 reflashed bike against a 2014 ES , I can tell you the 2014 was slower. Now I feel if the 2014 was also flashed it would of been even.
When I first tried the 2014 I also thought it was punchier, but was proven wrong in side by side drag race.
Yamaha did make internal engine changes to improve the power. I know that my 2014 feels a lot faster than my flashed 2012. I riding buddy that has owned a lot of bikes and ridden just about everything almost could not believe how much quicker the 2014 is. Perhaps I had a slow 12 and a strong 14, I am not sure, but I sure am happy with the performance.
 

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Very good ant thoughtful write up Bmac! You I and the other posters all seem to be on pretty much the same wave length. I think a key part that you pointed out is rider size. I am 6'4"and 215 so I am cramped on most smaller bikes. A more "normal"sized person may be more comfortable on a smaller bike. Or not depending on preference. My personal solution at the moment is a 2012 S10 and a highly modified DR650. The DR is for short around town trips and any (rare) ventures into the dirt. The S10 is for everything else. I love the DR and it is my play bike but every time I go back to the S10 I know that if I had to have only one, it would be the S10. ::008::
 

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Steven Glenn said:
You will have to test tide the new Capanord Rally, it's getting pretty good reviews in the mags.
not really...BIKE UK did a decent write up on it...
basically a confused beast.. powerful and thristy. Great suspension, but besides that, not really sure what the point of it is.
 
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