Motorcyclist Magazine S10 Review

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Sounded quite reasonable to me as press reviews go - don't forget they do need to compare and contrast, but I think they do it badly, the problem is with the way they assume everyone wants the most powerful machine with the most gadgets and is looking for "excitement".

I used to like excitement, which is why I had a succession of superbikes, these were all exciting, but spent little time at speeds that would not see my licence torn up on the spot, or would not almost certainly be fatal if something suddenly appear in front of me, or I lost control - all very exciting :exclaim:

I also cannot see how a bike that hits 60mph in under 4 seconds and tops 130mph can be described as unexciting, maybe not laugh out loud ridiculously fast, but in my experience you can have a lot of excitement below 100mph unless you spend all your time on straight roads in which case you want either a Hayabusa (for speed) or a Goldwing (for comfort)

I would say if your looking for a superbike on stilts then the Yamaha is not for you, but for most people it is fast enough, the fact it is not fast for a 1200 - well odd how the press never said this about the last GS model which had almost exactly the same power, why is it European and American manufacturers can make large engines with modest power outputs and it is fine, but any Jap bike must produce at least 150bhp per litre or else it is shite.

Surely the Yamaha engine is in fact under-stressed / in a low state of tune, which bodes well for not needing a rebuild every 50k, and for being extremely unlikely to drop a valve or throw a rod.

The review more than anything shows the difference between a Journo and an owner, they get jetted off to a bloke-fest in a nice hotel with free booze by night and go out on adrenaline / testosterone fuelled road race on someone else's bike by day, they should be flown 3,000 miles from home and have to ride the bike back, 50% of the way with the Mrs on the back.
 

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Rasher said:
Sounded quite reasonable to me as press reviews go - don't forget they do need to compare and contrast, but I think they do it badly, the problem is with the way they assume everyone wants the most powerful machine with the most gadgets and is looking for "excitement".

I used to like excitement, which is why I had a succession of superbikes, these were all exciting, but spent little time at speeds that would not see my licence torn up on the spot, or would not almost certainly be fatal if something suddenly appear in front of me, or I lost control - all very exciting :exclaim:

I also cannot see how a bike that hits 60mph in under 4 seconds and tops 130mph can be described as unexciting, maybe not laugh out loud ridiculously fast, but in my experience you can have a lot of excitement below 100mph unless you spend all your time on straight roads in which case you want either a Hayabusa (for speed) or a Goldwing (for comfort)

I would say if your looking for a superbike on stilts then the Yamaha is not for you, but for most people it is fast enough, the fact it is not fast for a 1200 - well odd how the press never said this about the last GS model which had almost exactly the same power, why is it European and American manufacturers can make large engines with modest power outputs and it is fine, but any Jap bike must produce at least 150bhp per litre or else it is shite.

Surely the Yamaha engine is in fact under-stressed / in a low state of tune, which bodes well for not needing a rebuild every 50k, and for being extremely unlikely to drop a valve or throw a rod.

The review more than anything shows the difference between a Journo and an owner, they get jetted off to a bloke-fest in a nice hotel with free booze by night and go out on adrenaline / testosterone fuelled road race on someone else's bike by day, they should be flown 3,000 miles from home and have to ride the bike back, 50% of the way with the Mrs on the back.
Nicely said! I think we all know what we have. ::022::
 

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For the motojournos, these press intro junkets are akin to jounos' MotoGP. Do they actually live with the bike for a while? Do they put it to its intended use? No, it's 100 mph dashes from photo op to photo op. It's come to light that both BMW and Triumph both "tweak" their bikes for press intro's and are not the production tune. Yamaha should get it on the act, and cut the chase: stuff an R1 engine in the SuperTen chassis and the moto journos will be waxing poetic about its prodigious power. ::)

I now own a '12 and '14 ES SuperTen and the difference in engine smoothness and tune is quite noticeable. "Underpowered"? Maybe, if all you're used to riding is crotch rockets.
 

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Power isn't everything, but it is a factor or we would all be riding around on WR250s. However, it seems most journalists place power and handling (ie how quick the bike will get around a track) higher than anything else. Gadgets and gizmos also make them wax lyrical. They don't live with them so cant really comment of reliability, servicing costs, and protection from the elements in a cold winter.

However, BMW must be doing something right. In the modern digital age we are more informed than ever about reliability and ongoing costs of our machines, but hordes of riders still buy the Bavarian tractors.
 

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Rasher said:
Sounded quite reasonable to me as press reviews go - don't forget they do need to compare and contrast, but I think they do it badly, the problem is with the way they assume everyone wants the most powerful machine with the most gadgets and is looking for "excitement".

I used to like excitement, which is why I had a succession of superbikes, these were all exciting, but spent little time at speeds that would not see my licence torn up on the spot, or would not almost certainly be fatal if something suddenly appear in front of me, or I lost control - all very exciting :exclaim:

I also cannot see how a bike that hits 60mph in under 4 seconds and tops 130mph can be described as unexciting, maybe not laugh out loud ridiculously fast, but in my experience you can have a lot of excitement below 100mph unless you spend all your time on straight roads in which case you want either a Hayabusa (for speed) or a Goldwing (for comfort)

I would say if your looking for a superbike on stilts then the Yamaha is not for you, but for most people it is fast enough, the fact it is not fast for a 1200 - well odd how the press never said this about the last GS model which had almost exactly the same power, why is it European and American manufacturers can make large engines with modest power outputs and it is fine, but any Jap bike must produce at least 150bhp per litre or else it is shite.

Surely the Yamaha engine is in fact under-stressed / in a low state of tune, which bodes well for not needing a rebuild every 50k, and for being extremely unlikely to drop a valve or throw a rod.

The review more than anything shows the difference between a Journo and an owner, they get jetted off to a bloke-fest in a nice hotel with free booze by night and go out on adrenaline / testosterone fuelled road race on someone else's bike by day, they should be flown 3,000 miles from home and have to ride the bike back, 50% of the way with the Mrs on the back.
::026:: Rasher nailed it down nicely. My Super Tenere may not be the flashiest or fastest bike on the planet, but for me, it has gobs of power, handles beautifully, and is superbly comfortable for long days in the saddle. The reliability factor is huge as well. It is in every way the perfect machine for my wants and needs.

Cheers,

Bruce
 

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I remember when the Japanese companies started to want a piece of the Harley market. The engineers had to build in some "character" in the motor because the bike's engines were too smooth.
The reviews never take into account reliability on these reports. That should be very important on a adventure bike.
 

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So far the best review I've read on the new ST is the motorcycle-usa review. I have a couple hundred miles on my '14 standard and I think that motorcycle-usa nailed it! They factor in the price, performance, reliability, durability, and versatility, and give the bike a big thumbs up. Motorcyclist seems to love horsepower and outright performance and the only way they'll ever give the Tenere a chance is if it can beat a Ducati or a KTM on the dyno and the quarter mile and can lap Daytona at superbike speeds.
 

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Frankly I can't fault them, the factory ECU maps are pretty limiting IMO, compared to what the bike is capable of. I'm much happier now that I've flashed to remove the restrictions.

I love my S10 now, for all the reasons I wanted one. Comfort, handling, ABS, shaft drive, plenty of power, excellent lighting, reliability, etc. Fit/finish, polished design, and good looks are not in that list, and those are big factors for some in the moto press.
 

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CurtC said:
Frankly I can't fault them, the factory ECU maps are pretty limiting IMO, compared to what the bike is capable of. I'm much happier now that I've flashed to remove the restrictions.
This I would agree with. I would love to read a moto-journo review of a flashed vs. non-flashed Tenere back-to-back.

Not tweaked, tuned, PC-V'd, with thousands of dollars of upgrades and countless hours of dyno-tuning. Just a simple $125 AVC or $450 ECUnleashed flash... It's how the bike should've come from the factory...
 

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This I would agree with. I would love to read a moto-journo review of a flashed vs. non-flashed Tenere back-to-back.

Not tweaked, tuned, PC-V'd, with thousands of dollars of upgrades and countless hours of dyno-tuning. Just a simple $125 AVC or $450 ECUnleashed flash... It's how the bike should've come from the factory...
We aren't the only bike owners who want the emissions compliant engines de-complied you know and the way lawyers work these days it's lucky that M/C's are still allowed on the road. All of the "external costs" have to be paid for as well. So Is it really surprising that companies are so paranoid with restrictions etc.

What did Toyota pay because of their lack of response to a sticky accelerator or whatever it was? 1.2 Billion or something? That kind of thing would add about $4500.00 to every M/C Yamaha Sells. (288,000) I can't see that being spread evenly across all M/C's either.

I am also also that the flash is available to those M/C riders that want it. It may also help shift responsibility onto the "flashee". I personally don't mind taking responsibility for shit that happens, but some people...

By the way, I'm not having a go. It's just that they are stuck dealing with legislation and possible litigation from all corners of the globe.

And as far as emissions go. Well out in the country I never had a problem with all those crappy 70's cars and bikes, but in the city the air in the 70's was foul. I can actually sit in traffic now in the city and not feel like gagging. In the 70's sitting on my bike in the orange/blue air and having cars belching crap in my face was not the best experience. I usually ended up with a massive headache.
 

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Oh, I understand the "why's", Graham - been in the parts/service end of the car biz for 15 years.

I just find it hard to believe with a 1200cc displacement that they couldn't wake it up just a bit, keep the emissions in line, and not affect reliability. There's a lot of potential in that mill that goes untapped.

Don't misunderstand; I'm not looking for Hyabusa, Multistrada, or even Explorer 1200 power numbers. I don't care about the HP number at all - I just want it to "go" when I ask it to - it does that much better with the flash. I think it's more about throttle response than anything else, but I'm not the guru on what exactly the flash does. I just know it makes the bike considerably better...
 

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creggur said:
I just want it to "go" when I ask it to - it does that much better with the flash.
Well since YAMAHA got in touch with their dark side there appears to be some moaning going on about the bikes (Fz-09, SUper T) going too hard when you twist the throttle and YAMAHA not getting the "fueling" right. In fact the 2014 already has 1 journo having a moan about the touchy throttle.

I think it's a case of win some lose some no matter what they do. Maybe when they get around to user programmable 255 stage mapping everyone will be happy.
 

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GrahamD said:
Well since YAMAHA got in touch with their dark side there appears to be some moaning going on about the bikes (Fz-09, SUper T) going too hard when you twist the throttle and YAMAHA not getting the "fueling" right. In fact the 2014 already has 1 journo having a moan about the touchy throttle.

I think it's a case of win some lose some no matter what they do. Maybe when they get around to user programmable 255 stage mapping everyone will be happy.
People just like to complain. I mean we have modes just for that reason. If its to snatchy put it in touring, problems solved, that is what it is for. Around town in traffic it makes the power very usable and smooth. When you get to open roads where you can roll on the throttle with authority, ride in sport. Same with people complaining about it being buzzy in certain gears....Really? Its a parallel with coffee can sized pistons and lots of torque! L-Twins,V-twins, and parallel twins are ridden different than inline 4's, 3's, or a V4. Ride the motorcycle where the power is optimized and you have little to no buzzing once broken in. Geez, and a few post ago, i said I could care less what they said. Haha, I do get annoyed sometimes. I just try to ignore it. Ok rant over, carry on! ::017::
 

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coastie said:
People just like to complain. I mean we have modes just for that reason.
;D ::008::

It's like they just know there is a mode they won't like and they'll damn well find it.
 
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