Metzeler tourance made in China

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I had the tire mounted today, and was able to put about 100 miles on it, (rear tire.) It rides fine so far. I'll post my experience with it if there are problems. It is sad that a discussion about a tire being made in a country with a spotty reputation for quality control of some maufactured items can draw the race card.
 

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Kingfisher. Im pleased you put the tyre on. I lived in China for ten years and it upsets me when these discussions raise their head. You can bet your life that the workers in the 'Metzeler' factory in China will be maybe 10 times more determined to ensure their product is first class than many of us will be and Im sure the control by Metzeler will be very strict. Yes there are some poor products coming out of China still, as there are from UK and elsewhere but I think we as consumers are usually savvy enough to tell which are which. There are of course many products from musical instruments to medical supplies that have been made under liscence in China for many years now and those that are 'in the know' will tell you they are first rate. Enjoy your tyres
 

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arjayes said:
1000% agree. Every time I hear that overused word I cringe.

Uncle Dave - Did you ever consider that maybe people might shy away from "made in China" products for valid reasons, such as China's long and shady history of piracy (software, movies, watches, etc), intellectual property theft, abuse of child labor, complete and utter disregard of the environment, ...? Don't be so damn quick to play the racist card.

I want to say a lot more but I won't, for now.
Well said and my reasons for avoiding Chinese products whenever I can. ::026::
 

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With all the paranoia on some of the preceeding posts I decided to check my present set of Tourance to see where they have been manufactured. I have 1372 kms on them since they were fitted and to date I have not seen or felt any difference whatever with them and my previous 4 sets of Tourance. You guessed it . They were manufactured in China. Do I care?. No I do not. My advise is ::021:: ::021:: ::021:: ::024::

Then again before some wise guy suggests it "Maybe the previous sets were manufactured there as well."
and then again maybe just maybe some electrical or mechanical components were manufactured there as well. SACRALIGE and BLASPHEMY. :p :p :eek: :eek:
 

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I'm glad to read that the OP is happy with their tyres.

What I was saying is not to judge a product by where it's made, but on the merit of the product itself. Just because it's made in a certain country does not necessarily mean it's not up to quality standards we all expect nowadays. Perhaps the wording I used was too harsh and I apologise for that. :-[

If a product is good then it will sell, if not word will get around and it won't which leaves the manufacturer with low sales and will have to increase the quality.
::021::
 

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Why doesn't the retail price reflect country of origin . They
must be making the tire cheaper or they wouldn't of moved
manufacturing ::005::
 

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Uncle Dave said:
Perhaps the wording I used was too harsh and I apologise for that. :-[
I don't know what it's like in Oz, but in the USA using the "r" word is like tossing a grenade. I like your re-worded explanation much better! :)
 

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I would rather buy stuff closer to home for many reasons, I am sure under the right conditions the tyres will be "the same", but the UK, US and most of Europe appears to be going bust, and the citizens of all of these nations are sending all of their money to China - and then moaning when they lose their own jobs.

Not sure any premium bike tyres are made in the USA though :question: We still have Avon, although not British owned any more the tyres are still made here - just a shame they always seem a little behind the Metzeler / Pirelli / Dunlop / Michelin / Bridgestone offerings and tyres are one area I won't consider a compromise to buy locally
 

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Kingfisher: Thanks for the heads up. Nothing against the fine Chinese folks, but I'm going to go ahead and take care of my front lawn before theirs and switch over to Heideneau.
No food, clothing, or tires from them works just fine for me. YEUMMV. (your economically unsustainable mileage may vary) ::003::
 

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Travex said:
Kingfisher: Thanks for the heads up. Nothing against the fine Chinese folks, but I'm going to go ahead and take care of my front lawn before theirs and switch over to Heideneau.
No food, clothing, or tires from them works just fine for me. YEUMMV. (your economically unsustainable mileage may vary) ::003::
Ummmm... Heideneau is a German company - wouldn't buying an American-made tire better fit your philosophy?
 

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If there were a directly competing product, yes... Of course. There's no stopping the global train, but we can still decide where we get on and off.
 

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Very true. For now, Atlas is still shrugging. ::001::
 

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Travex said:
If there were a directly competing product, yes... Of course. There's no stopping the global train, but we can still decide where we get on and off.
Indeed.

Wish there was one... Until the chains that bind our development and manufacturing are unshackled I'm afraid we are headed down an ugly road...
 

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Yep, like all those "American" Apple products like Iphones and Ipads

snakebitten said:
Truth is, there is some manufacturing going on in China that can compete with any place in the world, in quality.

But that doesn't balance out the fact that so much inferior product arrive on our shores from there too. Enough, in my opinion, to still be very cautious for certain kinds of products.

My point is, I don't think it's all one way or the other currently.
And it's a bit of a reach to label a skeptical approach to buying unproven quality as a race based decision. This forum has very very little of that kind of stuff being bantered about. Hope it stays that way.
 

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Gee ....not buying metzlers because they are made in China......but if you got a German set it would be cool? The problem is not CHINA it is METZELER. They are the cheap bastards that moved the operation to China and charged you and I the same amount. In addition someone in the German government permitted the move and importation of such products seems to be OK. The dude on the line in China is doing some job for a fraction of the cost paid in Germany. Is the quality any less? only if METZLER permits the quality to be less. Its always funny how there is alot of displaced aggression on these countries and their people when the parent company and the goverment associated with these moves are the ones to blame. And when the product fails its the fault of the producing country rather than the profit seeking company. So lets lump these tires in with pirated CDs and counterfit purses and call it a day.
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China has a complete disregard for environmental stewardship, practices near-slave labor, artificially suppresses currency value to the detriment of competing economies, and does a whole host of other things that justify consumers saying "no thanks" to products made there.

Metzeler is at fault for that?

Germany, along with other Western nations, is not perfect. However, when you buy a product designed and manufactured in those places you can feel fairly confident that the aforementioned problems will not be fed by your money.

The perception of effort put forth by the factory line worker is not the only thing, or even the most important thing, that people take into account in a scenario like this.

Are we all Archie Bunker sitting in a green armchair? No....so don't be him yourself when you're quick to assume you know everyone well enough to lump them all together as KKK members.
 

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For my part, I have no misplaced anything on China or it's people. What I have is a valid concern for the quality of my tires... As I do view them as a form of life support equipment while I'm on them.

The mere act of taking a proven product and transferring it's manufacture to a place that's not been reluctant to exhibit their skewed rendition of "quality", is in my estimation poor judgement on Mezteler's behalf.

Those good folks in China working on the line will benefit with a meal that I can assure you would not be the Königsberger Klopse, Weihnachtsgans, and Spanferkel that many German family's will be dining upon this evening. It is unfortunate, but it is so.

To think we owe much of our success during our industrial age to those same Chinese people who constructed our railroad system as near-slave labor. Today, their industrial age is fueled by Walmart, and we are the slaves to it.

What comes around I guess.

<end poli rant>
 
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