MCCruise Super Tenere Review

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I recently installed the MCCruise cruise control on my Super Tenere and headed out for a 1,200 mile trip, including plenty of rain. Could a relatively normal person handle the installation? Would it work in torrential rain? Answers to that and more follow.

Why MCCruise?

On other bikes, I've used a Brakeaway throttle lock. Love that thing. But the Tenere setup doesn't seem able to accommodate a Brakeaway and my throttle hand can get sore and sometimes a bit numb. And I now live in the part of Colorado where all the interesting roads go up and down as much as they go left to right. So a typical throttle lock is only useful for about five seconds at a time.

I read up on the MCCruise. The guys who designed and sell it are obsessed with safety and reliability. The competing solutions didn't give me anywhere near the same level of comfort. In addition, the MCCruise comes in a customized, essentially plug-and-play, Tenere-specific package.

Installation

I have to admit that this sat in my stash of farkles for a few months. I thought "why not just install everything at one time.'" Having a second bike and plenty of distractions, I suddenly realized it was only two weekends until my big annual ride with some of my college buddies so time to get to work!

Along with the MCCruise, I was doing the fuel pump seal recall, installing SW Motech bars, the Euro left switch cluster (to add hazard and flash-to-pass), Clearwater Krista lights, a HDB top clamp for various buttons and switches including the A and B button mod, a Powerlet port, a Touratech Garmin GPS mount, Yammy heated grips with the Wasp bracket, the Wasp windshield adjuster, a Flash-to-Pass garage door opener, Jesse Safaris and of course and Eastern Beaver PC-8 with the Super Tenere wiring package to power the whole thing. I still have a few other things in the box that I couldn't squeeze into the two weekends.

Anyway, where was I? Oh, right, I was able to get all this done in essentially four often-interrupted and not overly-long days. So the MCCruise alone would be an easy weekend project and could certainly be installed in one focused day. It is quite plug-and-play and comes with everything needed (except for installation tools and electrical tape).

I didn't take photos of the install. I'm not a photographer and there are plenty of pictures out there. But the installation procedure in a nutshell requires removing the side panels, the seats and the big plastic piece under the rear seat (which also requires removal of the grab bars), along with the tank and the airbox under the tank. The key pieces of the MCCruise are the actuator (the piece that actually moves the throttle cable), a vacuum reserve to power the actuator, a very trick throttle cable interface box, a Tenere-specific computer control module and wiring harness, the speed sensor (mounts to the front brake caliper mount) and the three-button control panel that connects to the left mirror mount. The kit contains all necessary bolts, too many zip ties, heat shrink tubing and to my great pleasure extensive illustrated instructions of an actual Tenere installation. There are several ancillary booklets that came with the instructions, such as a troubleshooting guide, that I haven't needed but it is nice to know they are included.

During the installation, I was particularly focused on where heavy water exposure could cause problems. I was hard pressed to find any. The Tenere-specific installation kit includes connectors that match and plug into or replace those on the Tenere. If a stock bike can run in crazy wet conditions, which I think has been confirmed by others, I couldn't see how the MCCruise could fail. The computer control module appears to be fully water-sealed, its connector to the wiring harness has an industrial-strength water seal gasket, and the computer is mounted underneath the rear seat mounting bracket where it is unlikely to get seriously wet unless the bike is submerged beyond the point where the entire engine is under water. I was very careful to mount and zip tie everything to avoid wire chafing, and I added my own electrical tape wrap, perhaps a bit of overkill, on a couple of connectors. The only wire that gets near the right side electrical panel is the system ground wire (which I connected to an unused spot on the ground bar of my PC-8). The computer draws its minimal power needs from another circuit on the bike. Keep in mind that the work is done by vacuum power, so electricity is needed only to keep the computer running and the switch panel lights lit.

I had two questions during the installation. In both cases, I shot an email to Tony at MCCruise and he replied within an hour. On a weekend. At who-knows-what-time in Australia. All I can say is wow. (By the way, I don't know Tony and he doesn't know me, I am jujst an unknown guy from the US who bought his product.)

Anyway, I got the installation finished, buttoned the bike back together, and ran the MCCruise through its diagnostic routine. Everything came up green except the clutch test (this thing disconnects when you hit the brake or pull in the clutch, just like on a car). Given the plug-and-play installation, I was confident I hadn't screwed up the wiring. And the trip was tomorrow, so I crossed my fingers and popped a GoCruise on my newly-heated throttle grip.

Ride Report

So what happened? It was flawless. Wow, this thing is cool! My riding buddies were like "yeah, I've got a cruise control, too." Until they saw it. "Oh, not one like that. I have to use two hands to twist mine to lock it, and it doesn't really do much good on these mountain roads." Sorry friends, the Tenere is mine.

More detail, you say. Well, with all that installing, I didn't have time to read the operating manual. But it only has three buttons, so how hard can it be? I mentioned earlier that the computer control module is Tenere-specific. It turns out that all kinds of parameters can be adjusted (I think that means stuff like how much throttle is needed, how fast it has to pull the throttle and so on). I never got to figuring out those adjustments because it just works perfectly.

To turn the cruise power on, you hit the on-off button. It is off when the bike is started. Then, to activate the cruise, you tap the set-acc(elerate) button when riding at the desired speed.

To add a little speed, you tap the set-acc button. To take a little off, you tap the res-dec(elerate) button. The buttons, by the way, are backlit and set far enough apart that they work fine with even fat gloves. Each speed-adjusting tap moves the speed up or down by about 1.5 MPH.

The cruise worked fine down to about 30 mph (nice in town to avoid the coppers). I tried it at 25 mph and it wouldn't kick in. It held the speed within about plus or minus 1 mph on everything I threw at it, including fast and slow up and down hills with and without curves, at speeds up to, well never mind that. It cuts off by tapping the brake or pulling in the clutch. Tapping the res-dec button causes it to resume the last-set speed, just like on the typical car cruise control. The operation is smooth, never jerky, and you can still use the throttle when it is engaged (say, to pass a trundling motorhome going 30 in a 65 zone) and it will resume the set speed when you let off on the throttle.

Rain, you ask, what about rain? Well, all week I was praying for some nice rain, which came in the form of an all-day frog-choking storm which found me riding for about ten hours, including about 60 miles on a slippery-as-snot mud road high in the mountains. Thankfully, I finally found some pavement and lo-and-behold the MCCruise worked like a champ. Which was nice, since my gloves were soaked (but my newly-installed grip heaters came in real handy). I tried all the functions, and the backlit panel was a nice touch after dark, since I could barely see the road it was raining so hard. Yes, I should have stopped, but I wanted to this to be a complete report.

After a late night arrival at a cabin in the woods, the bike sat all night in the downpour while I slept like a log with my gear drying by the fire. Next day, overcast but only slightly drizzly, the MCCruise continued to work without missing a beat.

Final Thoughts

I love this thing. It is great for long, monotonous stretches of road and for a quick minute or two to relax the throttle hand. The design is impressive both the quality of components and the focus on safety. I may pick up another one for my big Thunderbird.
 

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Where are the major bits mounted (computer, vacuum actuator, vacuum reservoir) etc?

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I'll see what I can do for pictures. The speed sensor, about the size of an A battery, bolts to the lower caliper bolt on the front left. The cable interface unit about the size of a pack of cigarettes, is on the left front of the engine (behind the forks) on a bracket made to attach to two bolts on the back side of the left hand cowling. The actuator unit, about the size of a soup can, sits right on top of the engine under the airbox, with its bracket sharing a bolt with the starter, I believe. The actuator cable runs across the engine to the left and follows the left top frame rail up to the cable interface unit. The vacuum canister, about the size of 2/3 of a hot dog bun, is on the left side behind the engine below the seat. The computer, about the size of two decks of cards, is attached underneath the passenger seat base. The wiring harness runs forward from the computer along the right frame rail and splits out in various directions once it reaches the rear of the engine.
 

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I still wish someone would build one that just sends a throttle input signal to the ECU, rather than using a vacuum actuator on a fly by wire system. Oh well, I suppose that's asking too much?? HINT, HINT, YAMAHA! 8)
 

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Tenerator12 said:
I still wish someone would build one that just sends a throttle input signal to the ECU, rather than using a vacuum actuator on a fly by wire system. Oh well, I suppose that's asking too much?? HINT, HINT, YAMAHA! 8)
Yamaha might end up doing this, but it will cost $15,000 (or whatever a new ST will cost next year or the following) and probably no retrofit to earlier bikes assuming they do this at all.
 

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Tenerator12 said:
I still wish someone would build one that just sends a throttle input signal to the ECU, rather than using a vacuum actuator on a fly by wire system. Oh well, I suppose that's asking too much?? HINT, HINT, YAMAHA! 8)
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do you happen to have a p/n and/or source for "Euro left switch cluster (to add hazard and flash-to-pass)". I really miss those functions on mine. TIA John
 

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nwrider said:
do you happen to have a p/n and/or source for "Euro left switch cluster (to add hazard and flash-to-pass)". I really miss those functions on mine. TIA John
Here's the thread: http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=2302.0

I travel to Europe a fair bit and got it there somewhere. Not cheap, and not quite plug and play (one wire has to be jumped, details in the thread on the topic), but I sure like the additional functionality.
 

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I might ought to start a new thread, but this topic already has some attention.

I had a multi12 2010 and still go to the forum to keep up with the news from time to time.

They have an old thread about WHY doesn't the Multi12 have CC from the factory as it has all the needed bits just need the software. This fellow chimes in about page #7 on the subject and I quote:

"I have been reverse engineering ECU code for years.
I am writing an iPhone app to talk to the ECU on the Multistrada, Diavel and Panigale.
I found this thread when I did a search cruise control but the last post was a year ago.
I thought I would ask if people are still interested in something like this.
I have already added code to the ECU to allow me to control the throttle position from the PC, I did this to help with dyno tuning. Cruise control is an obvious step from this. "

His username is "wmcdonal" and only list an email in his profile "wayne@tuneboy.com.au".

Seems he has finished the code for an iphone app to view data while riding the Multi12 for tuning purposes and now has added code for CC. Someone with more expertise than I needs to get connected with this fellow and see if the Super Tenere's ECU can be programmed/flashed like this also. I think our bike has all the needed bits to make this happen, does it not? I have already sent him a PM on the multi12 forum and also an email to that addy above.

The thread being discussed on the Multi12 forum is:

http://www.ducati.ms/forums/44-multistrada/106259-mts1200-cruise-control-factory-7.html
 

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Tenerator12 said:
I still wish someone would build one that just sends a throttle input signal to the ECU, rather than using a vacuum actuator on a fly by wire system. Oh well, I suppose that's asking too much?? HINT, HINT, YAMAHA! 8)
As simple as this would be for Yamaha to implement in the ECU with wiring to a simple control panel on the handle bars, the issue is what happens when cruise control is disengaged. This is because most of the time the virtual throttle setting would not match the physical throttle setting and the engine would respond to the instant difference in throttle position accordingly, creating a potential safety issue. They could always add a decay curve to simulate what happens when the throttle is let go. Give me a few hours with the Yamaha engineers and I'll get it sorted! ;D
 

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SuperCruise said:
Give me a few hours with the Yamaha engineers and I'll get it sorted! ;D
Get in line, there are a lot of us that would like a few hours with the Yamaha engineers...
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Tiger_one said:
"I have been reverse engineering ECU code for years.
I am writing an iPhone app to talk to the ECU on the Multistrada, Diavel and Panigale.
I found this thread when I did a search cruise control but the last post was a year ago.
I thought I would ask if people are still interested in something like this.
I have already added code to the ECU to allow me to control the throttle position from the PC, I did this to help with dyno tuning. Cruise control is an obvious step from this. "

His username is "wmcdonal" and only list an email in his profile "wayne@tuneboy.com.au".
I have Wayne's Tuneboy software for my Tiger1050.....this allows you to remap the ECU, read sensor values, balance throttle bodies, etc. He has been doing this kind of thing for many, many years.
 

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I thought there was a connection there somewhere. I have the dealertool, but never purchased the TuneBoy. I now have the Open source TuneECU for windows running on my macbook pro. Was thinking I would need to change tunes when we change pipes on the Striple, but decided to keep the cat and go low side, but that is another story.

He must be a busy guy.
 
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