when is a recall not a recall ? ..well apparently if your bmw ...... bmw,s have a problem with a leaky fuel pump seal on models going back as far as 2006 and involving 50 thousand bikes in the usa alone , so in the usa by law they have to call it a recall while in the uk they are calling it a ... "TECHNICAL CAMPAIGN " can you believe it h-a h-a ....anyway i bet your glad you bought a yamaha .. ::022::
MASSIVE RECALL ON BMW,S
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The Super Tenere had a Fuel Pump O-ring problem in the first batch of motorcycles and had to replace the O-ring.
In the USA we also have a Technical Service Bulletin. The difference is the manufacturer does not have to contact the purchaser but has to honor it if you ask or show them the TSB. With current times forums and social media it is difficult for a manufacturer to hide a TSB.
In 1993 I bought and still have a 1993 Chevrolet S10 Ext Cab Pickup. There was a problem with drivetrain vibration. I was lucky enough to find the TSB and the local dealer had to replace from the output shaft of the transmission to the yolk of the differential. Dealers hate doing Recall and TSB work because they get paid a much lower rate from the Manufacturer.
In the USA we also have a Technical Service Bulletin. The difference is the manufacturer does not have to contact the purchaser but has to honor it if you ask or show them the TSB. With current times forums and social media it is difficult for a manufacturer to hide a TSB.
In 1993 I bought and still have a 1993 Chevrolet S10 Ext Cab Pickup. There was a problem with drivetrain vibration. I was lucky enough to find the TSB and the local dealer had to replace from the output shaft of the transmission to the yolk of the differential. Dealers hate doing Recall and TSB work because they get paid a much lower rate from the Manufacturer.
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What does this have to do with the Tenere?cakeboy said:
Nothing. Folks on here just love to bash BMW.
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I am not a forum Nazi kind of guy...but I do think this belongs in the Lounge or in other bikes....
Tenere people do seem to like bashing BMWs partly because we have gotten bashed and demeaned by media and BMW fans, so some lash back. The other reason may be many of us have come over from the BMW world and are over the hype of "Engineering" in them.
Tenere people do seem to like bashing BMWs partly because we have gotten bashed and demeaned by media and BMW fans, so some lash back. The other reason may be many of us have come over from the BMW world and are over the hype of "Engineering" in them.
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That is actually very interesting to know, with motor purchases cross border.tomatocity said:
Here in Canada, I have received written notice via postal mail for any recalls on the last bunch of new purchases.....
[I would like to think your government is not trying to screw you, but they certainly don't have your best interests in mind...]
There are actually three layers to this:
1) TSB - a reference for technicians on known issues.
2) Campaigns - no official notification is required - but sometimes sent - but it shows on the manufacturers Warranty information System that it applies to your VIN. So if you bring your vehicle in for service it should pop-up that the campaign needs to be done.
3) Safety Recall - initiated by the manufacturer under specific guidelines set by the NHTSA. These are for safety related issues. These have official notification requirements where the manufacturer has to notify owners within a certain timeframe.
1) TSB - a reference for technicians on known issues.
2) Campaigns - no official notification is required - but sometimes sent - but it shows on the manufacturers Warranty information System that it applies to your VIN. So if you bring your vehicle in for service it should pop-up that the campaign needs to be done.
3) Safety Recall - initiated by the manufacturer under specific guidelines set by the NHTSA. These are for safety related issues. These have official notification requirements where the manufacturer has to notify owners within a certain timeframe.
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You know. If I hadn't known about the Tenere PDP, I would most likely be riding a GS right now. Who do I Thank.jrb_nw said:
Didg
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Surely it would have a lot to do with the tenere to someone looking to buy one and also considering a GS/A.jasonc32amg said:
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I came over from a GS to an S10, and not a moment too soon. I had the fuel pump problem on my 2005 GS. I'm riding along one day, and I start smelling fuel. I then look down and my entire left leg is covered in fuel. I had to pull over immediately and shut the engine off. Called my BMW independent mechanic and he told me it was a very common occurrence. So common that there was a third party fix in the market.
I ended up ordering the kit plus a new fuel pump from BMW for $800.
That was in October of 2013. In December, I went on a trip to Mexico and the oil light came on. It ended up being a false alarm as it was the oil pressure switch, but my trip was negatively affected as I had the light on for 1500 miles. That was the last straw. I picked up my S10 on December 26. Already have 2500 miles on it and am loving everything about it. I had been a Yamaha guy since my younger years, but I got sucked in by BMW marketing and decided to give it a try. Big mistake. Never again.
I ended up ordering the kit plus a new fuel pump from BMW for $800.
That was in October of 2013. In December, I went on a trip to Mexico and the oil light came on. It ended up being a false alarm as it was the oil pressure switch, but my trip was negatively affected as I had the light on for 1500 miles. That was the last straw. I picked up my S10 on December 26. Already have 2500 miles on it and am loving everything about it. I had been a Yamaha guy since my younger years, but I got sucked in by BMW marketing and decided to give it a try. Big mistake. Never again.
The other reason may be just like people slowing down to gawk at a train wreck. ;Dkmac said:
There are lot's of interesting things in this whole "BMW thing". Its not just BMW though. It happens in every industry. Somewhere along the line a product gains a reputation for something (good or bad) and it is fascinating just how long it can stick around despite all the evidence to the contrary.
BMW are now up to about 7-10 years of crap quality control and getting worse despite the interviews with whoever stating there is a new team in place and it's all OK now.
And still there is now even more schnappen der springen werk, blowenfusen und poppencorken mit spitzensparken than ever before.
Just spend a few minutes reading the WC GS thread on ADVrider and you'll see how pure the Koolaid is that flows through their veins. It's like a forum full of Dallaras if anyone says anything they don't like about the bike, even just a little bit.GrahamD said:
It's quite entertaining if nothing else. And then they start on what a great deal $21,000 is for the bike. I could throw every Farkle I've ever drooled over here at the Tenere and I'm still nowhere near that number. And with five years of unlimited mileage warranty to boot...I'm convinced the Tenere is the best value going in motorcycling today, bar none.
Hell, I could take what I paid out the door for my Tenere, add the flash and Akra exhaust I already have and throw a full-boat custom suspension setup on her, and I'm still not at the base price of a stripped down GS (that's not likely even available) - and I'm not even getting into the reliability, dealer network, service expense, etc.... And for what, a propellor emblem on the fuel tank? No thanks...
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BMW Recalls 2005-2012 Motorcycles Over Fuel Pump Leaks.
There are potentially 50,184 units affected by the recall.
The recall involves the following models:
•2005-2011 R1200GS
•2006-2001 R1200GS Adventure
•2006 HP2 Enduro
•2008-2009 HP2 Megamoto
•2005-2001 R1200RT
•2007-2007 R1200R
•2005-2007 R1200ST
•2007 R1200S
•2008-2010 HP2 Sport
•2005-2008 K1200S
•2009-2011 K1300S
•2006-2008 K1200R
•2007 K1200R Sport
•2006-2008 K1200GT
•2009-2011 K1300GT
•2010-2011 S1000RR
•2012 K1600GT
•2012 K1600GTL
http://bmwmcmag.com/2014/01/bmw-recalls-2005-2012-motorcycles-over-fuel-pump-leaks/
There are potentially 50,184 units affected by the recall.
The recall involves the following models:
•2005-2011 R1200GS
•2006-2001 R1200GS Adventure
•2006 HP2 Enduro
•2008-2009 HP2 Megamoto
•2005-2001 R1200RT
•2007-2007 R1200R
•2005-2007 R1200ST
•2007 R1200S
•2008-2010 HP2 Sport
•2005-2008 K1200S
•2009-2011 K1300S
•2006-2008 K1200R
•2007 K1200R Sport
•2006-2008 K1200GT
•2009-2011 K1300GT
•2010-2011 S1000RR
•2012 K1600GT
•2012 K1600GTL
http://bmwmcmag.com/2014/01/bmw-recalls-2005-2012-motorcycles-over-fuel-pump-leaks/
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BMW bashing is fine my me, the BMW marketing machine does a grand job of telling porkies and influencing the media and it is nice to see the other side.
I came from a GS, bought expecting a reliable bike that would last 100k, it had 6k on the clock and by 14k had required about £2500 of work - luckily under warranty, once out of warranty and at just 4 years old and at under 20k on the clock it had managed another £300 of faults - I had not even got to the big ticket items such as Final Drive which it seems lasts not much longer than a good chain, and still had the risk of exploding gearboxes and dropped valves in the back of my mind (although these are admittedly rarer, but how many S10's have blown a Final Drive / Gearbox / Top end so far?)
Most BMW owners are happy enough in their beliefs that they have the best bike / most reliable bike and you cannot influence these people, but many others may come here (and to other forums) and can read and judge for themselves.
On UK GS forums there are always reliability threads, with disgruntled owners / ex-owners (like myself) saying they are not as good as BMW and their loyal fanatics would have you believe, and the fanatics who clain it is all down to the sheer numbers etc. - although the new GS has probably 100 times more reported issues than the S10 within a year - and I doubt it has sold 100 times more in that single year, and how many more problems will there be by the time the bikes are four years old.
I think this particular recall is not significantly in that a component can prove troublesome down the line, but added to FPC / EWS / FD and al the other GS issues, and the 3-4 recalls on the latest model already and it is indicative of BMW not being this ultra-reliable class leading machine, maybe to ride it is class leading (and I really liked my 2008 and loved the 2010 model) but there is no way the BMW's of today come close to any Jap brand and I am not sure they are even as good as the likes of KTM / Ducati / Guzzi these days.
I prefer to ::021::
Than to ride less and breakdown more
I came from a GS, bought expecting a reliable bike that would last 100k, it had 6k on the clock and by 14k had required about £2500 of work - luckily under warranty, once out of warranty and at just 4 years old and at under 20k on the clock it had managed another £300 of faults - I had not even got to the big ticket items such as Final Drive which it seems lasts not much longer than a good chain, and still had the risk of exploding gearboxes and dropped valves in the back of my mind (although these are admittedly rarer, but how many S10's have blown a Final Drive / Gearbox / Top end so far?)
Most BMW owners are happy enough in their beliefs that they have the best bike / most reliable bike and you cannot influence these people, but many others may come here (and to other forums) and can read and judge for themselves.
On UK GS forums there are always reliability threads, with disgruntled owners / ex-owners (like myself) saying they are not as good as BMW and their loyal fanatics would have you believe, and the fanatics who clain it is all down to the sheer numbers etc. - although the new GS has probably 100 times more reported issues than the S10 within a year - and I doubt it has sold 100 times more in that single year, and how many more problems will there be by the time the bikes are four years old.
I think this particular recall is not significantly in that a component can prove troublesome down the line, but added to FPC / EWS / FD and al the other GS issues, and the 3-4 recalls on the latest model already and it is indicative of BMW not being this ultra-reliable class leading machine, maybe to ride it is class leading (and I really liked my 2008 and loved the 2010 model) but there is no way the BMW's of today come close to any Jap brand and I am not sure they are even as good as the likes of KTM / Ducati / Guzzi these days.
I prefer to ::021::
Than to ride less and breakdown more
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Sort of like Lemmings following each other off the cliff? ::014:: ::020::creggur said:
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I keep seeing statements like "if you get a good one, it's a great bike" what is that supposed to mean ::010:: How do you know it's a good one? maybe after you take it to the dealer a dozen times to fix the same problem. ???
Not to go too far off topic, but the TEX seems be having quite a few little issues as well, but the dealers seem to be stepping up there.
Not to go too far off topic, but the TEX seems be having quite a few little issues as well, but the dealers seem to be stepping up there.
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When looking for my next bike the S10 really did stand out from the crowd, but to be fair and open minded I looked at what else was out there that could fit the bill. KTM, Triumph and BMW were evaluated and dropped from consideration when the topic came around to reliability, service, and cost over lifetime. Granted, the S10 had precious little history at the time, but true to Yamaha form it hasn't disappointed in any way. In fact, quite the opposite. The BMW was the first taken off the list as the abysmal service figures combined with the experiences of friends and others made that decision easy. Not a beemer basher here, just being pragmatic.
As for Lemmings... They get a really bad rap as that whole mass suicide thing is a fabrication. Largely I tend to view the beemer crowd as folks that need to be seen on one while giving little care for the money it takes to accomplish that. Let'em have at it.
As for Lemmings... They get a really bad rap as that whole mass suicide thing is a fabrication. Largely I tend to view the beemer crowd as folks that need to be seen on one while giving little care for the money it takes to accomplish that. Let'em have at it.
You may be eligible for a reimbursement from BMW for the $800, suggest you check with your dealer and/or BMW customer service.3xranger said:
I don't understand the bashing, folks are free to ride what they want and if a BMW puts a smile on their face it's all good.
In the name of full disclosure I own a 2011 R12R and it does indeed make me smile, as does my Super Tenere, my Vespa 300, my BMW F800 GT, my Triumph Scrambler.
I've been a fan of the boxer motor since 1997 when I snatched a used '96 RT..... hey, but nobody's perfect. ::025::
I've had several hours of test rides on the new LC-GS but just before I reach for my wallet I check the GS thread on ADVrider and the urge goes away..... for the moment. ::010::
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