Lithium-Ion batteries, EVs, and myth busting
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When you see those prices, they are what is billed to an insurance company for a new battery. Because most current models of EV have been out for a while and there's a steady stream of accidents, you can buy fairly low mileage EV batteries from eBay or salvage yards for not much more than replacing an ICE engine (with labor). A Model 3 battery is typically in the $6-8,000 range. Not hard to check remaining capacity/life before installation either.
Tesla insurance is indeed expensive. EVs work for some and not for others. Definitely best for those with a house where they can plug in a charger (even 110V) and not the way to go for apartment dwellers. Public charging all the time can be expensive and a pain to wait. It takes me maybe 10 seconds to plug in and 10 to unplug a few times a week.
fwiw - By comparison my Bolt insurance is roughly $1,000/yr and it gets roughly 139 eMPG so costs me $6.85/260 miles, which equates to $258/year. If it took $3/gal gas, that is roughly $1,250/yr combined. And there's virtually no maintenance cost like oil changes.
The van on the other hand easily goes through $2,400/year in gas even at $3/gal and was murder when gas prices were over $4/gal. Plus a couple oil changes.
The Model 3 battery is 1200 lbs and a out the size of a small dining room table. Shipping something like that 1000 miles is $4000, a used battery is $5000+, then you're paying for installation and disposal of the old one. Currently you're also likely going to need to ship your car to one of the few places in the country that will even perform this work.
I've watched three of my neighbors pull engines out of various vehicles and replace them with junkyard pulls, there just isn't any equivalence between a battery pack swap and an engine swap.
I've watched three of my neighbors pull engines out of various vehicles and replace them with junkyard pulls, there just isn't any equivalence between a battery pack swap and an engine swap.
There is a famous mechanic on the networks (Spanish), who is in charge of showing you the good...and the bad of different cars. Here he shows how he won a lawsuit against Tesla for structural failures in the construction of the chassis... He is a fan of electric cars, but he is also critical when things are not right….
Let's just leave it at you don't like them, won't have one, never will, and your mind is made up.
Got it.
MattR
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I’ve only driven one ev and I loved it. But couldn’t afford it. It was fast, quiet and a pleasure to drive. I would have one in a heartbeat if I could afford one. Many models are now capable of driving the length of the UK on just one recharge and the number of charging stations is getting better.
On the other hand, I do not like Elon Musk and would never buy one of his cars.
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On the other hand, I do not like Elon Musk and would never buy one of his cars.
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I think Nissan, with its e-power, seems to be the way. It is not full electric, it is not Hybrid (it does not have the combustion engine connected to the traction)...it is an electric that has a generator.
When the batteries reach their splendor (small size, lots of charge)... and the recharging system is improved... the combustion generator will be just "just in case"...
When the batteries reach their splendor (small size, lots of charge)... and the recharging system is improved... the combustion generator will be just "just in case"...
That's right...that is...this "NEW TECHNOLOGY" was already invented 70 years ago...invented without computers or 3D simulators or using artificial intelligence...just paper, pencil...and a lot of calculations….
This doesnt help.
www.theguardian.com
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/30/the-quotes-were-5000-or-more-electric-vehicle-owners-face-soaring-insurance-costs?
£1bn fund to expand EV charging network still not open after three years
Rishi Sunak unveiled funding pot for expanding charging facilities at motorway services in 2020 but it is not yet accepting bids
www.theguardian.com
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/30/the-quotes-were-5000-or-more-electric-vehicle-owners-face-soaring-insurance-costs?
The problem has been that due to the expense of materials to make the batteries, the manufacturers have all tried to chase the high end of the market. There've been a few exceptions like the Chevy Bolt (US) and Renault Zoe (EU) but those get snatched up quickly.
This is the year that we should see more and more of the less expensive EVs, especially since the manufacturers have learned of sources other than Russian lithium and African cobalt.
Used Chevy Bolts with batteries still in warranty can be found now in the low teens.
It's similar to the BMW i3 and other PHEVs, which is an electric drive with the gas engine used as a "range extender."
Grandpa doing EV repair training for a 3 1/2 year old.
She now knows how to properly use a screwdriver and has an idea of how to use a multimeter.
When we touch the wires and the yellow box (Fluke) shows a 1 and 2 (12V) then the wheels can turn.
When the (ohm meter) box makes a sound that wire is not our problem.
When the box is quiet we found a problem. (loose connector)
When it really works again!!!
She now knows how to properly use a screwdriver and has an idea of how to use a multimeter.
When we touch the wires and the yellow box (Fluke) shows a 1 and 2 (12V) then the wheels can turn.
When the (ohm meter) box makes a sound that wire is not our problem.
When the box is quiet we found a problem. (loose connector)
When it really works again!!!
Whenever a new business appears...business opportunities appear too…..in the case of electric cars, the opportunity would be a new lithium battery extinguisher, because the conventional extinguisher does not work...and it made me think about lithium batteries. S10 replacement
Eville Rich
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Can we bring horses back? Can you imagine the freakout when the first fossil fuel fires happened in ICE cars? For the record, I don't want a horse or want to clean up after the emissions of a horse.