Anyone remove them, as for mounting Jesse side cases in the optional closer position, and run into any trouble?
Legal to remove passenger handgrips?
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Never take those off.. you will be hauled off to JAIL..... 
I think you fine... Hell, if that's the case my whole bike is illegal.... ??? :
I think you fine... Hell, if that's the case my whole bike is illegal.... ??? :As partial answer to my own question, just got off the phone with the Utah vehicle inspection folk. They say if the bike is designed to carry two people then the grips must be present. I asked if the rear seat is removed and replaced with a luggage rack or similar. Then they agreed that the grips could be removed as the bike is no longer suitable to carry two people.
Other states? Canada?
Other states? Canada?
I guess I should look at it first. The little luggage tie downs could be argued to be passenger hand grips I suppose.
Anyone try removing the hand grips? Any issues getting the bike on the center stand or picking it up after a, gasp, drop?
Anyone try removing the hand grips? Any issues getting the bike on the center stand or picking it up after a, gasp, drop?
Ok, now that's funny.... ::014::~TABASCO~ said:Never take those off.. you will be hauled off to JAIL.....
My initial reaction is that this is probably BS, but anything is possible with state DMVs. A lot of bikes have those ridiculous little straps across the seat and they may be there specifically to meet some state's silly rule saying that passengers must have some way of holding on to the bike.Twisties said:
As a practical matter, I'd be very surprised if you would ever get pulled over and cited for this vehicle problem, even if the statue does exist. If your state has routine vehicle inspection, you could just put the handles on for the inspection. Or you could do like the Harley guys do and meet the law doing the absolute minimum possible - a small strap looped around the passenger seat would probably suffice.
- Mark
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whisperquiet
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Current Illinois law........foot pegs required/no passenger grip/strap required.
(625 ILCS 5/11-1403) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-1403)
Sec. 11-1403. Riding on motorcycles. (a) A person operating a motorcycle shall ride only upon the permanent and regular seat attached thereto, and such operator shall not carry any other person nor shall any other person ride on a motorcycle unless such motorcycle is designed to carry more than one person, in which event a passenger may ride upon the permanent and regular seat if designed for 2 persons, or upon another seat firmly attached to the motorcycle at the rear or side of the operator.
(b) A person shall ride upon a motorcycle only while sitting astride the seat, facing forward, with one leg on each side of the motorcycle.
(c) No person shall operate any motorcycle with handlebars higher than the height of the shoulders of the operator when the operator is seated in the normal driving position astride that portion of the seat or saddle occupied by the operator.
(Source: P.A. 84-602.)
(625 ILCS 5/11-1403.1) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-1403.1)
Sec. 11-1403.1. Riding on mopeds.
(a) The operator of a moped shall ride only astride the permanent and regular seat attached thereto, and shall not permit 2 persons to ride thereon at the same time, unless the moped is designed to carry 2 persons; any moped designed for 2 persons must be equipped with a passenger seat and footrests for use of a passenger.
(b) The provisions of Article XV shall be applicable to the operation of mopeds, except for those provisions which by their nature can have no application to mopeds.
(Source: P.A. 96-554, eff. 1-1-10.)
(625 ILCS 5/11-1403.2) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-1403.2)
Sec. 11-1403.2. No person shall operate a motorcycle, motor driven cycle, or moped on one wheel.
(Source: P.A. 96-554, eff. 1-1-10.)
(625 ILCS 5/11-1403.3) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-1403.3)
Sec. 11-1403.3. Intercom helmets. Any driver of a vehicle defined in Section 1-145.001, 1-147, or 1-148.2 of this Code may use a helmet equipped with an electronic intercom system permitting 2-way vocal communication with drivers of any such vehicles or passengers on such vehicles.
(Source: P.A. 90-89, eff. 1-1-98.)
(625 ILCS 5/11-1404) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-1404)
Sec. 11-1404. Special equipment for persons riding motorcycles, motor driven cycles or mopeds.
(a) The operator of a motorcycle, motor driven cycle or moped and every passenger thereon shall be protected by glasses, goggles or a transparent shield.
(b) For the purposes of this Section, glasses, goggles, and transparent shields are defined as follows:
"Glasses" means ordinary eye pieces such as spectacles or sunglasses worn before the eye, made of shatter-resistant material. Shatter-resistant material, as used in this Section, means material so manufactured, fabricated, or created that it substantially prevents shattering or flying when struck or broken.
"Goggles" means a device worn before the eyes, the predominant function of which is protecting the eyes without obstructing peripheral vision. Goggles shall provide protection from the front and sides, and may or may not form a complete seal with the face.
"Transparent shield" means a windshield attached to the front of a motorcycle that extends above the eyes when an operator is seated in the normal, upright riding position, made of shatter-resistant material, or a shatter-resistant protective face shield that covers the wearer's eyes and face at least to a point approximately to the tip of the nose.
(c) Contact lenses are not acceptable eye protection devices.
(Source: P.A. 96-554, eff. 1-1-10.)
(625 ILCS 5/11-1405) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-1405)
Sec. 11-1405. Required equipment on motorcycles.
Any motorcycle carrying a passenger, other than in a sidecar or enclosed cab, shall be equipped with footrests for such passenger.
(Source: P.A. 84-602.)
(625 ILCS 5/11-1403) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-1403)
Sec. 11-1403. Riding on motorcycles. (a) A person operating a motorcycle shall ride only upon the permanent and regular seat attached thereto, and such operator shall not carry any other person nor shall any other person ride on a motorcycle unless such motorcycle is designed to carry more than one person, in which event a passenger may ride upon the permanent and regular seat if designed for 2 persons, or upon another seat firmly attached to the motorcycle at the rear or side of the operator.
(b) A person shall ride upon a motorcycle only while sitting astride the seat, facing forward, with one leg on each side of the motorcycle.
(c) No person shall operate any motorcycle with handlebars higher than the height of the shoulders of the operator when the operator is seated in the normal driving position astride that portion of the seat or saddle occupied by the operator.
(Source: P.A. 84-602.)
(625 ILCS 5/11-1403.1) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-1403.1)
Sec. 11-1403.1. Riding on mopeds.
(a) The operator of a moped shall ride only astride the permanent and regular seat attached thereto, and shall not permit 2 persons to ride thereon at the same time, unless the moped is designed to carry 2 persons; any moped designed for 2 persons must be equipped with a passenger seat and footrests for use of a passenger.
(b) The provisions of Article XV shall be applicable to the operation of mopeds, except for those provisions which by their nature can have no application to mopeds.
(Source: P.A. 96-554, eff. 1-1-10.)
(625 ILCS 5/11-1403.2) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-1403.2)
Sec. 11-1403.2. No person shall operate a motorcycle, motor driven cycle, or moped on one wheel.
(Source: P.A. 96-554, eff. 1-1-10.)
(625 ILCS 5/11-1403.3) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-1403.3)
Sec. 11-1403.3. Intercom helmets. Any driver of a vehicle defined in Section 1-145.001, 1-147, or 1-148.2 of this Code may use a helmet equipped with an electronic intercom system permitting 2-way vocal communication with drivers of any such vehicles or passengers on such vehicles.
(Source: P.A. 90-89, eff. 1-1-98.)
(625 ILCS 5/11-1404) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-1404)
Sec. 11-1404. Special equipment for persons riding motorcycles, motor driven cycles or mopeds.
(a) The operator of a motorcycle, motor driven cycle or moped and every passenger thereon shall be protected by glasses, goggles or a transparent shield.
(b) For the purposes of this Section, glasses, goggles, and transparent shields are defined as follows:
"Glasses" means ordinary eye pieces such as spectacles or sunglasses worn before the eye, made of shatter-resistant material. Shatter-resistant material, as used in this Section, means material so manufactured, fabricated, or created that it substantially prevents shattering or flying when struck or broken.
"Goggles" means a device worn before the eyes, the predominant function of which is protecting the eyes without obstructing peripheral vision. Goggles shall provide protection from the front and sides, and may or may not form a complete seal with the face.
"Transparent shield" means a windshield attached to the front of a motorcycle that extends above the eyes when an operator is seated in the normal, upright riding position, made of shatter-resistant material, or a shatter-resistant protective face shield that covers the wearer's eyes and face at least to a point approximately to the tip of the nose.
(c) Contact lenses are not acceptable eye protection devices.
(Source: P.A. 96-554, eff. 1-1-10.)
(625 ILCS 5/11-1405) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-1405)
Sec. 11-1405. Required equipment on motorcycles.
Any motorcycle carrying a passenger, other than in a sidecar or enclosed cab, shall be equipped with footrests for such passenger.
(Source: P.A. 84-602.)
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I removed mine the day the bike came home. I admit I haven't had any road side chats with the S10, but I suspect, as Mark said, you'd have to really fail the attitude test during a traffic stop for something else, in order to get cited for no hand grips. I took the right side peg off too. Would have taken the left side pass peg off also, but it's part of the exhaust heat shield mount. I may pull just the peg, at some point.
I doubt it matters, as long as you don't have a passenger riding back there.
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according to Colorado Revised Stature 42-4-232...
42-4-232. Minimum safety standards for motorcycles and low-power scooters.
(1) No person shall operate any motorcycle or low-power scooter on any public highway in this state unless such person and any passenger thereon is wearing goggles or eyeglasses with lenses made of safety glass or plastic; except that this subsection (1) shall not apply to a person wearing a helmet containing eye protection made of safety glass or plastic.
(2) The department shall adopt standards and specifications for the design of goggles and eyeglasses.
(3) Any motorcycle carrying a passenger, other than in a sidecar or enclosed cab, shall be equipped with footrests for such passengers.
(4) Any person who violates any provision of this section commits a class A traffic infraction.
I can tell you this...if it was a law I am not sure I would know about it and pull you over for it. There is no way to know all the laws and there is no way for me to know what is standard equipment on every bike on the road. If you want to remove them, do it.
joe
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42-4-232. Minimum safety standards for motorcycles and low-power scooters.
(1) No person shall operate any motorcycle or low-power scooter on any public highway in this state unless such person and any passenger thereon is wearing goggles or eyeglasses with lenses made of safety glass or plastic; except that this subsection (1) shall not apply to a person wearing a helmet containing eye protection made of safety glass or plastic.
(2) The department shall adopt standards and specifications for the design of goggles and eyeglasses.
(3) Any motorcycle carrying a passenger, other than in a sidecar or enclosed cab, shall be equipped with footrests for such passengers.
(4) Any person who violates any provision of this section commits a class A traffic infraction.
I can tell you this...if it was a law I am not sure I would know about it and pull you over for it. There is no way to know all the laws and there is no way for me to know what is standard equipment on every bike on the road. If you want to remove them, do it.
joe
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This is REALLY funny stuff!!!
I think you should be spending more time looking for the stupid SOB that's going to kill you when he/she turns left in front of you than some anal retentive cop that might know the equipment specs for your bike (which is profoundly remote)
Thanks for brightening my day!
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I think you should be spending more time looking for the stupid SOB that's going to kill you when he/she turns left in front of you than some anal retentive cop that might know the equipment specs for your bike (which is profoundly remote)
Thanks for brightening my day!
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tenerejack
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Screw the LAW. Do whatever the hell you want! The State of Georgia can kiss my ass!
+1, goes for ALL states.tenerejack said:
The foot peg law states: while carrying a passenger (for the 2 states shown)
So, one would assume that any passenger handgrip law would be while carrying a passenger too, but we know laws aren't too logical.
I am not a lawyer but did stay in a holiday inn last night.
So, one would assume that any passenger handgrip law would be while carrying a passenger too, but we know laws aren't too logical.
I am not a lawyer but did stay in a holiday inn last night.
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there is no law so it doesn't matter if there is a passenger or not. No law is no law.SuperSize said:
Do lovehandles count? ::019::
I always tell my passengers (female only) "It's not a saddlehorn, but you can grab it, if you wish" ???
I always tell my passengers (female only) "It's not a saddlehorn, but you can grab it, if you wish" ???
whisperquiet
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One thing leads to another.........they cite you for not having passenger pegs and then they are executing a search warrant on your house to search for pillows with the government tags removed.SuperSize said: