I've got brakes

[eemsreno]

I though I would start a new thread instead of high-jacking the Romney thread.
I reported on the Romney thread that I had lost my rear brake out at Romney.
Yamaha was convinced that it could not be the abs pump and thought rebuilding the master cylinders would fix it.
It was the pump.
I did not put a new pump on, tonight I just unhooked the brake hydraulic lines off the pump and ran them direct .Then put bolts in the pump fittings to plug them off. The pump is still under the seat and has the electrics hooked to it so I don't have any light on, on the dash.
I might remove the pump completely so I have more storage under the seat.
I lost the safety of having abs but I have ridden my whole life without abs so I don't see it as any problem.
The brakes work superb and are strong but not over grabby or too strong.

On a note to everyone out there that rides off road.
When I was camped by Limey in Colorado and he lost his rear brakes I think he said that his pump was packed in sand and grime.
I try to keep my bike pretty clean and I'm not against power washing it any time it's dirty.
But when I removed that tool tray under the seat my abs pump was just packed in sand and grime. I don't think there is even a drain hole under the pump for junk to drain out.
If I was you guys I would be removing that tool tray and making sure your pumps not packed with crud.
I don't know if that is what caused them to go bad but it can't help.

Steve

 

[True Grip]

Glad you got brakes again and I'll be having a look at mine there could be some WV in there.

 

[Doug C]

Pretty sure there is a drain hole but it's prone to plugging up. Good reminder to have a look.
Interesting to see how it works in the long term with pump blanked off. Saved a few bucks not buying a pump!!


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[Bushyar15]

Thanks for the tip. I'll check mine out… Yeah of the 30 something bikes I've owned over the years only the S10 and my Ducati have ABS. In the year I've had my S10 I've only had the ABS kick in when I intentionally jammed on the brakes to see how much effort on a dirt road it took for it to kick in… I've had my Ducati 3 year and ABS has only kicked in once.. Too early in my opinion...

 

[Koinz]

I though I would start a new thread instead of high-jacking the Romney thread.
I reported on the Romney thread that I had lost my rear brake out at Romney.
Yamaha was convinced that it could not be the abs pump and thought rebuilding the master cylinders would fix it.
It was the pump.
I did not put a new pump on, tonight I just unhooked the brake hydraulic lines off the pump and ran them direct .Then put bolts in the pump fittings to plug them off. The pump is still under the seat and has the electrics hooked to it so I don't have any light on, on the dash.
I might remove the pump completely so I have more storage under the seat.
I lost the safety of having abs but I have ridden my whole life without abs so I don't see it as any problem.
The brakes work superb and are strong but not over grabby or too strong.

On a note to everyone out there that rides off road.
When I was camped by Limey in Colorado and he lost his rear brakes I think he said that his pump was packed in sand and grime.
I try to keep my bike pretty clean and I'm not against power washing it any time it's dirty.
But when I removed that tool tray under the seat my abs pump was just packed in sand and grime. I don't think there is even a drain hole under the pump for junk to drain out.
If I was you guys I would be removing that tool tray and making sure your pumps not packed with crud.
I don't know if that is what caused them to go bad but it can't help.

Steve

Just curious - Did you let Yamaha know that the pump was the actual problem. I can see a recall in our future if we lose the rear brake as a result of it. Definitely a safety concern.

 

[eemsreno]

Just curious - Did you let Yamaha know that the pump was the actual problem. I can see a recall in our future if we lose the rear brake as a result of it. Definitely a safety concern.

I'm still working on this so far with no satisfaction.

 

[SilverBullet]

I'm still working on this so far with no satisfaction.

Better hurry or park the bike (or remove ABS fuse which also disables speedo/odometer) while you get Yamaha's attention. I think I read somewhere you have 99,000 miles on your bike? Some safety items have a separate mandated warranty of 10 years/ 100K miles. I know SRS systems (air bags, etc.) in cars are covered like this but unsure about ABS.

_

 

[eemsreno]

I told Yamaha that it's pretty bad that the only part on this bike that is made in Germany failed. If I wanted German quality I would have bought a BMW [NOT]

 

[limey]

I though I would start a new thread instead of high-jacking the Romney thread.
I reported on the Romney thread that I had lost my rear brake out at Romney.
Yamaha was convinced that it could not be the abs pump and thought rebuilding the master cylinders would fix it.
It was the pump.
I did not put a new pump on, tonight I just unhooked the brake hydraulic lines off the pump and ran them direct .Then put bolts in the pump fittings to plug them off. The pump is still under the seat and has the electrics hooked to it so I don't have any light on, on the dash.
I might remove the pump completely so I have more storage under the seat.
I lost the safety of having abs but I have ridden my whole life without abs so I don't see it as any problem.
The brakes work superb and are strong but not over grabby or too strong.

On a note to everyone out there that rides off road.
When I was camped by Limey in Colorado and he lost his rear brakes I think he said that his pump was packed in sand and grime.
I try to keep my bike pretty clean and I'm not against power washing it any time it's dirty.
But when I removed that tool tray under the seat my abs pump was just packed in sand and grime. I don't think there is even a drain hole under the pump for junk to drain out.
If I was you guys I would be removing that tool tray and making sure your pumps not packed with crud.
I don't know if that is what caused them to go bad but it can't help.

Steve

Nice report as usual Steve. There is a small drain hole under the unit that will become clogged with crap and eventually the unit will be sitting in water. What I did was drill a few more holes in the plastic and I will take a look today as it's almost two years since I had the problem.

 

[dcstrom]

Emsreeno, glad you're getting it sorted out, and good to hear that you can bypass the ABS in case of failure. As you probably know, I'm on a RTW trip and one thing I always have in the back of my mind is - what's Plan B in case of failure of something that can't be fixed wherever I am at the time? ABS is one of those things - can you give me a bit more detail on the process to bypass the ABS?

 

[snakebitten]

Emsreeno, glad you're getting it sorted out, and good to hear that you can bypass the ABS in case of failure. As you probably know, I'm on a RTW trip and one thing I always have in the back of my mind is - what's Plan B in case of failure of something that can't be fixed wherever I am at the time? ABS is one of those things - can you give me a bit more detail on the process to bypass the ABS?

I second that request!

My only issue is that I HAVE been saved on foul weather tarmac moments, by the splendid ABS on this bike.
I can live without it, of course. But I doubt that I would choose to do so.
I do know I would be looking closely at the reparability of that pump, before sourcing a new one. And by that, I mean, I'd be showing it to one of those folks on this planet that don't easily accept the prevailing "it can't be fixed" gibberish that things like this are associated with.

I love those kind of folks. And I know a few.

 

[eemsreno]

Final word from Yamaha sorry but no.

I'm with you on what you said Snakebitten, when I do remove it, I'll see what it looks like to take apart.

DC
I hope I can explain this good for you.
It is very easy to do if you just have a couple simple parts.
To fix the rear brakes I just removed the hose from the foot master cylinder up to the pump , then routed the hose from the pump that goes to the rear caliper down to the foot master cylinder. Very clean and looks factory.
Next to fix the front brakes I unbolted the two remaining hoses at the pump and bolted them together with a union bolt that is just like the one used on the front left wheel caliper on the Tenere that holds the brake lines to the caliper [part #90401-10038] and put a cap nut on the end of it. So it would look like this--- Head of union bolt-crush washer-hose end-crush washer-second hose end-crush washer-cap nut.
I can take a picture tonight if that wasn't clear.

The only other thing you would need is 4 bolts to plug the pump holes but if the pump is junk that might not be a big deal.

Steve

 

[bigbob]

The brakes work superb and are strong but not over grabby or too strong.

Nice to know that when I am leading you through a minor berg, like the 6 lane slab in Indianapolis, I do not have to think about slowing down to merge lanes since you do not have brakes. Anybody who rides with Steve will know that when I slowed down to move into the right lanes, he hit 80 and the left lanes. Took me half a mile to catch up with Steve NOW in the right lane 40 cars ahead of where I was. I think I had to test my thankfully working ABS to make the exit right behind him.

 

[bigbob]

And after riding to Romney, at Romney, and about 500 miles toward home, I was too tired to remember to hit Sport Mode. So happy with the power of the S10. Downshift a couple times and it will fly even with my fat behind on it.

 

[Milekone]

Nice to know that when I am leading you through a minor berg, like the 6 lane slab in Indianapolis, I do not have to think about slowing down to merge lanes since you do not have brakes. Anybody who rides with Steve will know that when I slowed down to move into the right lanes, he hit 80 and the left lanes. Took me half a mile to catch up with Steve NOW in the right lane 40 cars ahead of where I was. I think I had to test my thankfully working ABS to make the exit right behind him.

I hope this post is still active. I came upon exact same problem. I was wondering if someone could post some pictures or knows anyone that is willing to help with the work in New Jersey area.
I called every motorcycle shop in the state and no one is willing to do the work (liability) I've even offered to sign waivers.

Luke