Indian is upping the ante

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Ok, I'm a died in the wool Yamaha fan, but damn, this is a good looking bike. I guess it would be classified as a scrambler. But after seeing this, I'm wondering where their ADV bike is. Surely, with H-D making one, they will too. All these bikes are more or less the same. Wolves in wolf clothing. Look at those front brakes. . . . same size that's on the R1m. It also has a lot of the fancy electronics too.

2023 Indian Motorcycle FTR Sport First Look Preview (msn.com)


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I test rode the FTR a while back. Super fun bike with a honey of an engine, but it's pretty one dimensional.
 

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With 12.5 compression ratio…”only” you have guaranteed power….the rest will depend on the quality of the materials
 

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Dang thing is sexy for sure.

Polaris employees have to pass both BRC’s I & II before the company will provide them with compny rides. More than 1/2 of the students are looking at the FTR
 

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I read an article from a Polaris employee from a few years ago when Polaris first bought the Indian name. It was about a design engineer that worked for Harley at the time. He said Harley was meeting after meeting after meeting on redesigning a horn cover. It was slow and not exciting to work there. The meetings sounds a lot like the place I work. Meetings on getting things done but nothing gets done! haha. Well Polaris contacted him offered him a job and wanted him to lay out the scout for them. He took the job and said we went to a meeting the boss said lets see what you have. they presented it and he said make it happen! he got to lay out that entire bike! Very exciting. I really like the way they go with something and don't over think it. Wish I could give a reference to the article but I can't. I am pretty sure I read it in Motorcycle Consumer News that is now out of print. Of course they pulled the plug right after I sent in a 2 year subscription renewal. Dirty of the company that owned all those magazines. Well anyway I like how fast they can start a project and finish it and get it to the consumer.
 

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Am not into the Cruisers but all the other Indians are really nice. They perform aswell.
 

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That's how I am. Way back when, I thought I wanted a cruiser . . . . until I rode one. Cafe bikes it was. But these new Indian FTRs really don't take the typical cruiser path; 320mm dual front rotors. To me they're more of a "naked bike". Still not what I'm into, but I'm not discounting their style/ability.
 

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I read an article from a Polaris employee from a few years ago when Polaris first bought the Indian name. It was about a design engineer that worked for Harley at the time. He said Harley was meeting after meeting after meeting on redesigning a horn cover. It was slow and not exciting to work there. The meetings sounds a lot like the place I work. Meetings on getting things done but nothing gets done! haha. Well Polaris contacted him offered him a job and wanted him to lay out the scout for them. He took the job and said we went to a meeting the boss said lets see what you have. they presented it and he said make it happen! he got to lay out that entire bike! Very exciting. I really like the way they go with something and don't over think it. Wish I could give a reference to the article but I can't. I am pretty sure I read it in Motorcycle Consumer News that is now out of print. Of course they pulled the plug right after I sent in a 2 year subscription renewal. Dirty of the company that owned all those magazines. Well anyway I like how fast they can start a project and finish it and get it to the consumer.
Over the years, I worked for a couple of different HD tier suppliers. Following is a true story circa 2003

Willy G had ridden his new HD model "whatever" to Daytona. By the time he got there, the paint was flaking off the cylinders. A major uproar went up inside HD over this. It turned out that this was a common problem with the coating they were applying in house. We were brought in and after some development work, created a coating that met all of the new performance requirements including extended Dyno and field testing. The whole process ran a full year. The meeting for implementation was surreal. Following is very edited version

HD-Q1 We like the appearance and the performance is superior, how did it apply?
A- 3.5 out of 5

HD- Q2 can it reclaim?
A- we believe so but this is a new formula developed for HD to address your field failures. We do not have direct experience

HD- Q3 If it cannot be reclaimed, how long will it take to change back
A-12-16 hours (HD internal answer)

HD- If that happens, we will miss our production schedule. Will you indemnify us if that happens?
A at this point we had about $75K invested in the project. Now they wanted us to guarantee their operating expenses and profits for the whole plant. I made polite noises and we left. I told my sales guy we were done

At that point I came to a couple of conclusions

1. HD would rather make defects than miss production
2. HD employees were afraid to take any risks. This was/is a culture problem
3. I decided I would NEVER BUY a HD product.

2 years later when I changed employers, they still had not fixed the problem

I think HD's risk aversion has caused them to miss many opportunities over the last 20 years. I think their value these days is only in their Brand and it is losing its luster

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. . . . I think their value these days is only in their Brand and it is losing its luster . . . .
I will agree with this, but with an asterisk. The asterisk being that their brand newest stuff has the potential to compete with other brands. Their previous stuff, not so much. If you're a person that just has to have a Harley, nothing else will do. Ft. Worth PD abandoned them years ago. When they started looking for an alternative, they didn't know which brand they were going to use, but they were sure that it wasn't going to be H-D. Reliability/durability being their chief concern. Performance was the other.

It's also my opinion that if Indian wasn't around, H-D would not have changed a thing. The V-Rod proved they could make a muscle bike, but that's not what they pushed. (I think I've only seen 3 of them in the wild ever). The new Sportster looks very similar to the Indian Scout.
 
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