In defense of Gen 1...

markbxr400

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Just bought my new 2013 the need of September. 3500 miles so far. Not sure what I'm missing not having a Gen2, but I got a heck of a deal on my Gen 1. So far, loving it!
 
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I have 24,000 miles on my 2013 ST, no troubles and no desires for a newer model.
As mater of fact, it will be the last new motorcycle I ever own in my lifetime. I am free of any more consumer purchases.


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NoMorBills said:
Agree, Agree Agree, 2012 gen1 50,000 miles.... never have had to adjust the valves. Best bike I have every owned.

Are you checking the valves? If yes, that is impressive!
 

whisperquiet

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I bought a new 2012 when first introduced and put 21500 miles on it before selling it. I bought a new 2013 from the same dealer and rode it 36500 miles with no problems at all (valves in spec at 27000 miles). This bike's suspension was a little plusher than on the first bike + the engine was smoother. Neither bike had any mods other than the clutch jumper switch and a good throttle body sync. Both were no problem bikes other than the gas tank o'ring recall and headlight harness recall.

So, when they were blowing out the leftover bikes last fall, I traded in my white 2013 for a new Matte Gray 2013 S10........the date of manufacture is later than my first S10 and the new bike has even plusher suspension than the previous bike. I have never had any concerns about excessive vibration on any of the bikes, but definitely would have liked factory cruise control on all three S10s owned. I will ride this bike a while as it is set up to my tastes.

I rode Fredz43's 2014 when he bought it and it was a little smoother with a less abrupt throttle response off the bottom. Both gen bikes are nice, reliable, and comfortable.........The factory cruise control is the major difference for me.
 
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I waited the long 11 months for my 2012 like many did and still love it. Putting in the new clutch basket eliminated the 3200RPM vibration, but like others said, it was nothing to be concerned with, but a definate improvement in the upgrade. Other than that I have done nothing, tried the clutch switch jumper mod and that didn't work, so back to original idea there. Did the valve check myself at 27,000 miles and all were perfect center spec, did the FI body sync for the first time at 27,000 miles and it was spot on, needed no adjustment. I would love a new one with heated grips and cruise control, but not going to get rid of mine at this point. Only 2 complaints I have is the traction control and ABS. I hate these "features". Getting a new one these "features" would still be there.
 

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Only reason I sold my '12 was because I wanted factory cruise. That was a very costly upgrade. Only problem I had was the headlight recall (which never quit working on me) and the front forks started leaking. The forks were my fault because I didn't have protection when I rode her to Deadhorse. The road construction in Canada was brutal. I would rather ride my Tenere than any other bike I own...including my Wing
 

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Loved every one of the 22,000 miles I clocked on my Gen1, did swap out the suspension and had a de-cat header and custom flash to up the grunt a bit, but even stock it was a fine bike.

If buying another I would go for a Gen2 purely for the cruise, if it is a shade smoother then great, it would also save the need for a flash which I would have to do if buying another Gen1 bike.

Definitely one of the best bikes I have ever owned, and few other Adv bikes can compete with either generation in the reliability stakes, I cannot see me keeping my KTM until it is 5 years old with in excess of 20,000 miles.
 

Dirt_Dad

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Not sure the exact mileage on my wife's '12. Somewhere in the mid-30K range. But it's having problems now. I also waited 11 months after ordering, and it's been a fantastic bike since getting it back in August 2011, but I'm starting to wonder now. I tried to fire it up this past weekend and it would not start. Even after recharging the 5+ year old battery it still wouldn't start with the slow cranking engine. I think I'm going to have to buy the first replacement battery on this bike. I'm trying not to let this color my attitude about the bike.

As the current owner of both a gen 1 and a gen 2, I get to compare them on a regular basis. The gen 1 is easily the best bike I've ever owned, up until the time I bought the gen 2. There are benefits to gen 2, but I'm still completely satisfied riding the gen 1, and my wife is in no hurry to let me replace it for her. It may happen next year, but she loves her gen 1 and would be perfectly happy to keep it. Great bike...both of them.
 

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I like my 2012 just fine. But I think there must be some significant variance from bike to bike.
I put in the 2014 clutch basket because I was able to get it before Yamaha realized they miss-priced it. I noticed very little difference. It vibrated like a modern twin before and after, maybe a little less shake at low rpms and little *more* buzz at high rpms after the swap. I clearly didn't have the shudder problem several have complained about.
I also switched to the newer cam chain tensioner and noticed no difference. The bike makes a heck of a lot more clackitty noise than my old '95 VFR. I don't know what's normal, but the tensioner change didn't make any difference I could hear.
I expect to keep the bike for a long time. I'm not a "must have the newest thing" kind of guy. (The VFR lasted 17 years before the riding position stopped agreeing with me. I *really* liked that engine!)
 

corndog

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I wrote this for ADVrider, so some of it you guys know already very well.........I studied the ST for over a year waiting on the Vstrom to be upgraded. When it was, I was not impressed at the changes and bought a Tenere almost immediately. My first ST was a new 2013, which I bought as a left over in early 2014. My 13 was recently totaled and I replaced it with a 2015. In 2014, Yamaha did a bunch of upgrades referred to as Generation 2. 2013 and previous are Gen 1. Here is what was added/changed.

The big changes are a new clutch basket design and a revised cam chain tensioner. My 13 had fine clutch action that only vibrated a little in a narrow rpm range around 3500 to 4000. I considered my clutch fine and did not change it. Some clutches are worse. The new clutch parts are around $300 (not including labor). The clutch can be annoying on some bikes but will not fail. The cam chain tensioner (CCT) is another matter. The CCT starts letting the timing chain run loose and rattle, and if the bike jumps time, it will usually cause major damage to the engine. Supposedly you hear this coming on as a rattle at cold start up. Many Gen 1 owners changed the part as preventative maintenance and I was planning on doing this myself. My 13 had 37,000 miles and sounded fine to me. The CCT is about $150 and a relatively easy repair. Both these upgrades could be done for under $500 if you do it or about $800 for a shop.

The small stuff that was upgraded in 2014. Handle bars are higher and a little further back, they are also rubber mounted now....ergonomics is personal but my hands no longer get numb. Engine mapping is revised. The new tuning is good for around 8-10 more horsepower...or so they say, my 13 seemed just fine. My 2013 seemed to have more torque off-idle but ran out of wind faster, the 2015 is a little flat off idle but once rolling feels like it is much faster through the revs. There is much more difference between T and S settings on the new bike. I rode the 13 in the S-mode and the 2015 in the T-mode.

Turn signals are now LED. The windshield is now adjustable and larger. All Teneres have cruise control now and the system is almost telepathic....easily the best cruise control system on any vehicle I have ever used. The instrumentation is now all digital and more comprehensive, while the previous version had an analog tach (which I prefer). The new instruments are easier to use since the functions are now changed from the left handle bar, but the sun glares off the instrument screen more now than it did on my 2013. The bike now has flash to pass headlights and emergency flashers....both left off the Gen 1. The mirrors are restyled and appear shorter to me. The kickstand is now forged aluminum instead of steel...also a little easier to deploy with your foot. The new version has a little spoiler under the headlight while to old one does not.

To me, I would still buy a Gen 1, but would add $1,500 to $2,000 to the price of the Gen 1 when comparing it to a 2 (all else being equal)....mainly due to the clutch, CCT and cruise control. I splurged and got the 2. I never considered buying the adjustable suspension version.....I am a set it and forget it rider and the stock suspension uses quality components equal to the ES version. I located new 2013 models for about $9,500 and the 2015 I bought was $12,400, OTD without taxes.

I love my Tenere. It is a great touring bike. It will do 80 MPH easy. Carries a load with ease. My 13 got around 45 mpg consistently and the 2015 is getting 47 mpg. The ABS and traction control work great. The bike is easy to do maintenance like oil changes and air filters on. Most owners I know have not needed to adjust the valves on them. The shaft drive is wonderful.

As for the Africa Twin. It is also a great ADV bike, but is more dirt focused. I would put the Tenere at 70 street/30 dirt and the AT at 50/50. The AT is around 70 pounds lighter, but is also a 1000cc versus 1200 cc and has chain-drive. The AT needs a center stand that the ST comes with. I only got to ride a friends AT once, for an afternoon (manual version), but it feels a little more top heavy and less planted. Not anything annoying, just different. The AT is a great bike and a Honda. But, I again choose the Tenere again.
 
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