XTZELEE
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Anything BMW reliable - hilarious, poster trapped in the opposite universe for sure.
Wow,what have I done?.Sorry about grammar and spelling but I'm doing this on my phone and I've a trapped nerve in my lower back. Its cheered me up how you lot have started arguing. Going back to when I lit the touch paper,,,,The tenere is heavy,also it has problems with cct and clutch,,, here's the kicker for you I quite like my tenere I've toured coast of Scotland this may and did 3k miles in Europe with daughter on back,nice n comfy,54*5 mpg ( UK gallons).I've tested later capo albeit second hand ( not for me,very top heavy), .Also I tried new mt09 gt ,what a cracking bike,fast,pulls from any revs,light,economical,good looking,quite comfy.Bad points for me,,very busy engine,lots of vibes through f,rests and bars,but in my opinion a great bike,problem was when I got back on tenere I felt at home especially at 80 mph on a private rd.I'm 61,I've been riding 44 years and I've owned and worked on about 35 jap and aprilias.Sorry that anyone took offence about my views but you have given me a giggle whilst I'm sat here in pain.This is the trouble with forums etc as people take things the wrong way ,if we all met up face to face we would probably be having a laugh re the tenere GS KTM etcetera etcetera.Againg sorry about retard grammer and spiling .Ride safe Tommy TickleSee what you've done Tommy! You're right up there with those naughty men in the bike magazines that don't praise the right bike. Get your act together man!
Apparently ballisticexchris is angry about something. Everybody is welcome to their own OPINIONS, but several of his statements are FACTUALLY incorrect. This my last post on THIS thread. If you don't like the bike, get rid of it. Quit bitchin' about it.
I did err about the carbs on the early Caponord. I had forgotten that even the 2001 was injected. My bad. It's been over a decade since I last read about someone putting out a fire on one and wow, I've seen perhaps 4 on the road in 18 years. I think I've see about that many Aprilla dealerships too!
Compared to what else in it's class? and then we load them up. Insignificant differences on the Big Trailies. If Guzzi shows up with a 500 lb, 1200cc bike, people will take notice, but the whole class of big trailies are heavy. Especially the shaft driven contenders.
You seem to be listing them fine.
Owner maintenance issue. Yes, we were more ignorant because the bikes were new to the market, but so were the dealers.
There have only been perhaps 6-10, (I am one of the first), and the high mileage guys made it possible for everyone else to be aware of the problem, and Yamaha to address it by updating/changing the CCT. Now, nearly everyone knows to swap the original Gen I CCT before the 52k valve check service interval.
I've been here since '11 and never heard of a drive shaft snapping. Nor on the FJR forum in over a decade and millions of rider miles. Got documentation for a failure?
What? Two?! and both under questionable conditions.
Again, two? Other clutch basket swaps were for improvement, not due to failure.
LOL, I have 130k miles on two different Super Tens and have tipped over and dropped my bike in a wide variety of conditions w/o a bent footpeg mount. Just because you're un-lucky doesn't make it a flaw. 600 lbs, do the math. If it hits wrong, things bend or break. Got any crash bars? I've had good crash bars and skid plate on my Super Tens from very early on. It prevents the possibility of some damage that might otherwise occur w/o them.
Riiight. That's why I put 160k miles on a FJR and 109k on my Gen I and bought another Gen II. Almost forgot the 12k on a FZ1 before that while I was waiting for my FJR.
Sounds more like you bought yours because you wanted something else you couldn't afford.
If you believe that, you are very misguided or simply lack experience with either brand. I currently have a '16 GSA, (twice the cost, not twice the bike), in the garage and her last bike was a F650GS that cost us more than the price of the bike in repairs, thankfully under an extended warranty, aftermarket, because BMW won't offer extended warranties for their bikes. The GSA has an unlimited aftermarket warranty, because I know it will break down catastrophically, it's just a matter of when. Usually slightly after the 36k mark or just before is when things start going south, sometimes fast.
KTMs suffer from a host of problems, notoriously the firmware upgrades that strand the bike at the dealer and airbox leakage that 'dusts' the cylinder walls and leads to early engine compression failures. They have gotten better, but these issues still exist. Never mind the laughably short maintenance intervals compared to some other brands.
Do tell. 2000 miles and "nothing but wrenching"? My first ride of my current bike was a bit over 1k miles. I changed the oil/filter when I got it home and checked the spokes.
Again, you either lack knowledge or are severely un-lucky. I know literally dozens of GL1800 riders, including two GL1800s in this household that my wife owned and put over 100k on each w/o any failures. I know others that had the frame recall too, but have never heard of 4th gear failures except a couple isolated cases and the GL1500 failures.
Harley makes a fine machine, for what it is. Don't hot rod it and it will crank out mile after mile. That said, $10k of engine work and you won't be up to the Hp of a stock bike from many other manufacturers. And most of the truely high mile HD guys have replaced a lot of 'parts', like engines..., but "it's still the same bike!".
Wow, 10,000 whole miles? My Chinese 150cc scooter has over 30k miles with only a piston change.
Thanks for the satire post ballisticexchris. Well done. If you're not happy with the Super Tenere, sell it and buy something that you like better. Next time do a longer test ride or more research so you're not so disappointed.
Thats a relief!.....I was worried the McCall dump site had leached into the water supplyGotcha!! I knew cycledude would get my dumb attempt at humor!!
My Super Tenere ES is a fantastic machine!! I just came home from a "test camp off the bike". Luggage is at about 70lbs or so. I'm amazed how well the stock suspension handled the twisties when stiffened up.
Hey now, I called ya out too. Could not stop laughing!Gotcha!! I knew cycledude would get my dumb attempt at humor!!
My Super Tenere ES is a fantastic machine!! I just came home from a "test camp off the bike". Luggage is at about 70lbs or so. I'm amazed how well the stock suspension handled the twisties when stiffened up.
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You did at that!!Hey now, I called ya out too. Could not stop laughing!
Rode the new 2018 ES home today 230 miles, yes it was an expensive trade but so far I’m very happy, in my opinion it’s a huge improvement over the 2013. It’s going to take me awhile to learn all the new controls but that’s all part of the fun.
One negative thing I noticed almost immediately is the brakes on my new 2018 don’t seem to have any near the braking power my 2013 had, maybe that will improve after I get some miles on it ?
Your brake pads will bed in sooner, and start working better with a good tug on the lever from about 70 mph down to 30. Do this 3 or 4 times spaced 10 minutes apart so they have time to cool. If they still aren't as good as the '13, the previous owner probably installed EBC HH pads. These will give you noticeably more braking power with less effort.
On this topic anyway.Anyone that has read any of Chris's previous posts would understand his rant is as sarcastic as they come. If you do a 180 on everything he wrote you would know his real opinion on the plethora of topics he covered.
apparently someone doesn't have a a humor/sarcasm detectorI did err about the carbs on the early Caponord. I had forgotten that even the 2001 was injected. My bad. It's been over a decade since I last read about someone putting out a fire on one and wow, I've seen perhaps 4 on the road in 18 years. I think I've see about that many Aprilla dealerships too!
Compared to what else in it's class? and then we load them up. Insignificant differences on the Big Trailies. If Guzzi shows up with a 500 lb, 1200cc bike, people will take notice, but the whole class of big trailies are heavy. Especially the shaft driven contenders.
You seem to be listing them fine.
Owner maintenance issue. Yes, we were more ignorant because the bikes were new to the market, but so were the dealers.
There have only been perhaps 6-10, (I am one of the first), and the high mileage guys made it possible for everyone else to be aware of the problem, and Yamaha to address it by updating/changing the CCT. Now, nearly everyone knows to swap the original Gen I CCT before the 52k valve check service interval.
I've been here since '11 and never heard of a drive shaft snapping. Nor on the FJR forum in over a decade and millions of rider miles. Got documentation for a failure?
What? Two?! and both under questionable conditions.
Again, two? Other clutch basket swaps were for improvement, not due to failure.
LOL, I have 130k miles on two different Super Tens and have tipped over and dropped my bike in a wide variety of conditions w/o a bent footpeg mount. Just because you're un-lucky doesn't make it a flaw. 600 lbs, do the math. If it hits wrong, things bend or break. Got any crash bars? I've had good crash bars and skid plate on my Super Tens from very early on. It prevents the possibility of some damage that might otherwise occur w/o them.
Riiight. That's why I put 160k miles on a FJR and 109k on my Gen I and bought another Gen II. Almost forgot the 12k on a FZ1 before that while I was waiting for my FJR.
Sounds more like you bought yours because you wanted something else you couldn't afford.
If you believe that, you are very misguided or simply lack experience with either brand. I currently have a '16 GSA, (twice the cost, not twice the bike), in the garage and her last bike was a F650GS that cost us more than the price of the bike in repairs, thankfully under an extended warranty, aftermarket, because BMW won't offer extended warranties for their bikes. The GSA has an unlimited aftermarket warranty, because I know it will break down catastrophically, it's just a matter of when. Usually slightly after the 36k mark or just before is when things start going south, sometimes fast.
KTMs suffer from a host of problems, notoriously the firmware upgrades that strand the bike at the dealer and airbox leakage that 'dusts' the cylinder walls and leads to early engine compression failures. They have gotten better, but these issues still exist. Never mind the laughably short maintenance intervals compared to some other brands.
Do tell. 2000 miles and "nothing but wrenching"? My first ride of my current bike was a bit over 1k miles. I changed the oil/filter when I got it home and checked the spokes.
Again, you either lack knowledge or are severely un-lucky. I know literally dozens of GL1800 riders, including two GL1800s in this household that my wife owned and put over 100k on each w/o any failures. I know others that had the frame recall too, but have never heard of 4th gear failures except a couple isolated cases and the GL1500 failures.
Harley makes a fine machine, for what it is. Don't hot rod it and it will crank out mile after mile. That said, $10k of engine work and you won't be up to the Hp of a stock bike from many other manufacturers. And most of the truely high mile HD guys have replaced a lot of 'parts', like engines..., but "it's still the same bike!".
Wow, 10,000 whole miles? My Chinese 150cc scooter has over 30k miles with only a piston change.
Thanks for the satire post ballisticexchris. Well done. If you're not happy with the Super Tenere, sell it and buy something that you like better. Next time do a longer test ride or more research so you're not so disappointed.
Not so much on the internet. Works better IRL.apparently someone doesn't have a a humor/sarcasm detector
To say I'm disappointed in my 2012 xt1200 is an understatement,after getting rid of my aprilia etv1000 caponord I have to say I was expecting from yamaha reliability at the least,but after fitting a manual cct to my mates xt yesterday and I have one in the post,and then reading about some clutch failures also as I said,I was expecting more.My old capo ( after spending £860 on flash and pc5 on tenere,arrow headers and nosh end can on xt) would leave this yam behind no prob.My other gripe is how on earth do yamaha build a parallel twin as heavy as this ? an old honda cbx 6cylinder is lighter as is the new Kawasaki versys ( four cylinder) .I have done 8000 miles on xt and I do like the bike ,but why so heavy and rattly and problematic.?Yes I expect some of you will start shouting how good these bikes are and the cliche that most bikes have problems,but as far as yams are concerned I really did expect more,,,I've not mentioned clutch basket,,, oh yes I have now.ps I Han an fjr1300 96k miles all that actually failed on that was fork seals and two indicator bulbs.Not aiming to upset owners purposely ,just not that impressed Tommy Tickle
To say I'm disappointed in my 2012 xt1200 is an understatement,after getting rid of my aprilia etv1000 caponord I have to say I was expecting from yamaha reliability at the least,but after fitting a manual cct to my mates xt yesterday and I have one in the post,and then reading about some clutch failures also as I said,I was expecting more.My old capo ( after spending £860 on flash and pc5 on tenere,arrow headers and nosh end can on xt) would leave this yam behind no prob.My other gripe is how on earth do yamaha build a parallel twin as heavy as this ? an old honda cbx 6cylinder is lighter as is the new Kawasaki versys ( four cylinder) .I have done 8000 miles on xt and I do like the bike ,but why so heavy and rattly and problematic.?Yes I expect some of you will start shouting how good these bikes are and the cliche that most bikes have problems,but as far as yams are concerned I really did expect more,,,I've not mentioned clutch basket,,, oh yes I have now.ps I Han an fjr1300 96k miles all that actually failed on that was fork seals and two indicator bulbs.Not aiming to upset owners purposely ,just not that impressed Tommy Tickle
I apologize for adding fuel to the fire. I agree it should go to the lounge.@Moki - He's been pulling our collective leg, this thread is satire. Should be moved to The Lounge.