How can I make my Tenere comfortable for distance riding?

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Maybe trade it in for a Gold Wing?


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Those things are nice, especially the F6B, but they aren't super comfy stock either. Everyone I know who owns one complains about the stock seat. Otherwise, the electronic suspension, cruise control and electronically adjusted windscreen do make them great choices for long haul riding. Just too big for my taste at this junction in my life. The OP is a young buck, so probably not on his list for a couple more decades

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I have a 13 and I thought the same thing about all the items you addressed.
Throttle body sync didn’t stop the jerky throttle. A reprogram of the computer was fix.
A Madstad windshield bracket and a larger shield was the fix for me.
For the seat all I can say is Russel Day Long saddle.
Bar risers and moving them back fixed the teach issues.
A skid plate with highway pegs are nice for stretching out.
And a McCruise for helping the right hand.
With all that my bike became more comfortable than my Victory Vision so that’s why it’s gone now.
Just rode back to back 500 miles days and 85 mph for hours last weekend with no issues. F1817F98-E2D6-4067-A5E2-6E06DE62BA2C.jpeg
 

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Those things are nice, especially the F6B, but they aren't super comfy stock either. Everyone I know who owns one complains about the stock seat.
Just goes to show, no matter the bike, no one is ever happy with the stock seat!

I'm neither a young buck nor an old guy - somewhere in between - but i have no interest in a Gold Wing. Modern Gold Wings are both bigger and more expensive than my car :eek: But if someone made an 800 - 1000 cc range touring bike, I'd be all over it. Small or medium touring bikes just don't exist in this era, which is a lot of the reason why I have turned to the ADV segment.
 

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The problem is, when you go to a smaller bike, you usually have to give something up. Cargo capacity. Cross wind stability. Features. Room/comfort. Power. That's why a lot of people end up with the Tenere. For the money, reliability, and capabilities, she's hard to beat. She may not be the perfect bike for you, but the perfect bike might not exist. And if it does, what's it going to cost. It's always gonna come down to investment v. reward and/or function over form. For me at least.
 

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Hello Dragonaut. Sorry to hear you are not getting along with your new ride. I also have a 2012 Super T. I have the stock wind screen set low on the bike and it works for me fine. I am pleased with it. I have done 1000 mile days on the stock seat but it was not something I can say I liked at all. haha. I did put a Sargent's seat on there but I also had to take all but the front two rubber bumpers out from under it so that it would work better for me. Seats are really individual preference though. Just a try it and see kind of thing. I am about 5'10" but I also prefer smaller ergonomics. The Super T was just too stretched out for me. I narrowed the bars by over 2" and moved them back about a 1 1/4" maybe a bit more. I did change the clutch basket to the 14 model unit. that was a worth the price for the change. As far as it not finding a good sweet spot to run interstate. You didn't say how many miles was on it but it may need plugs and coils and the throttle bodies synchronized. I have opened my bleed screws on the throttle bodies 1 3/4 truns ( most on here only go 3/4 though) I have also added a unit that fools the ecu to thinking it is colder outside than it is. Both have helped tremendously but I hear getting a good flash is the way to go. Mine is smooth and strong out on the road and will cruse smooth at any speed with out effort. you may check the tune on the bike to make sure all is good and try some things from there. Good luck sure hope it is a easy change to get it the way you want it. I know it can be frustrating buying something and not live up to what was expected.
Thanks for this info. Somehow I missed seeing some of these responses until now. Bike just turned over 31k and I have no idea of the maintenance history so it may well need the tuning you mentioned. Along with god knows what else. (Valves, probably, although that thought gives me a headache at the moment.) I've already got a lot of $ in this bike and the cost of ownership is significantly higher than I had anticipated, so I am honestly at the point of wondering whether I cut my losses now or keep trying to chase some improvement.
 

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I Thought the same thing after I rode my new to me 2016 back from the place I bought it. Mine was even worse because the former owner had fitted arrow decat headers, K&N filter and an Akrapovic. It had the small screen on it. As i thundered down the motorway sounding like a couple of Ducati’s and getting wind blasted, I did wonder what I had done. Since then I’ve fitted deflectors, a Madstad bracket and a Givi airflow screen and things have improved. It’s still noisy, jerky and a rabble rouser in s mode but is going in for a reflash with CJS racing in Bristol soon and i will update the effects of that. Hopefully they will smooth things out and I can enjoy what is at the end of the day a fabulous bike that is very capable at different things.
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Thanks for this info. Somehow I missed seeing some of these responses until now. Bike just turned over 31k and I have no idea of the maintenance history so it may well need the tuning you mentioned. Along with god knows what else. (Valves, probably, although that thought gives me a headache at the moment.) I've already got a lot of $ in this bike and the cost of ownership is significantly higher than I had anticipated, so I am honestly at the point of wondering whether I cut my losses now or keep trying to chase some improvement.
Maintenance is maintenance. However this bike doesn't seem to chew through your money as it adds mileage because of its reliability. So the longer you have it the better it gets.
 

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I think you need a FJR1300 in stead of the Tenere. That is a fantastic tourer. The Tenere is a great do it all and everywhere. But no it ain’t a dirtbike, nor a highway cruiser, nor a race bike. But it is the very allround, do it all, won’t let you down companion. My favorite bike up until now. Good luck!
 

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There are already a lot suggestions in here to fix the issues that you have with the bike. If you want a mile muncher go find a used Goldwing or Valkyrie interstate/tourer. Those bikes are about as smooth a ride as you are going to find. Fuel mileage will definitely not be as good as the Tenere though. It all depends on what you are hoping to do with the bike.

Edit to add, of all the suggestions mentioned, hwy pegs will make a huge difference for your butt. An extra place to put your feet is huge when riding long distance.
 

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Just goes to show, no matter the bike, no one is ever happy with the stock seat!

I'm neither a young buck nor an old guy - somewhere in between - but i have no interest in a Gold Wing. Modern Gold Wings are both bigger and more expensive than my car :eek: But if someone made an 800 - 1000 cc range touring bike, I'd be all over it. Small or medium touring bikes just don't exist in this era, which is a lot of the reason why I have turned to the ADV segment.
Consider Yamaha’s Tracer 9 GT. If I were looking at a mid displacement tourer, it’d be at the top of my list. This inspire of being chain final drive.


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I've ridden Goldwings for quite a while, and coast to coast across the country four times. I can ride a Goldwing for 12 hours without major physical impairment, but I do have a Utopia backrest, seat beads, handlebar risers, and Mick-O-Peg highway pegs for added comfort.

I purchased a 2012 S10 earlier this year and rode it for two 10-hour days from Tennessee to Wisconsin to do the Trans-Wisconsin Adventure Trail. I had a slow speed get-off in deep sand on Day 5 and broke my foot (Jesse hard pannier crushed it), so I stopped my off-road trip and rode it home over two more 10-hour days.

The S10 was less comfortable than the Goldwing of course, but I was able to do the long distances for the most part. I had my camping gear backrest, seat beads, handlebar risers, and Givi crash bars to put my feet up on, so somewhat similar bike vs. bike, but the buzz in the S10's handlebars, especially the throttle side, was untenable, and my fingers are still tingly two months later. I have compiled some to-dos to address the vibration, and when I get out of this boot-of-shame I'll take a look at it.

NOTES ON VIBRATION:
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- Check spark plugs, confirm running on both cylinders
- Perform throttle body sync
- Confirm not overfilled with oil
- Retrofit Gen 2 clutch basket
- Inspect cam chain tensioner
- Verify that failing coil doesn't stick
- Verify drive shaft U-joint is not failing
- Test for bad MAP sensor
- Investigate Steiger Vibranators (6mm thread, vs. 8mm thread) - steigerperformance.com
- Investigate Bar Buzz Kill - barbuzzkill.com
- Check for rust in tank, TBs, injectors? Look for inline fuel filter?
- Perform injector test using DIAG mode (see bottom)

1.) Check handlebars, loosen mounting bolts and re-torque to factory settings.
2.) Check the clamps on the head to throttle body (TB) intake manifolds, make sure they are snug. Do the same for the intake boots between the airbox and the TB's.
3.) Check the TB's to make sure they are in sync.
4.) Check all of your engine-to-frame mounts for proper torque to factory settings.
5.) Check your exhaust bolts, starting at the head...anything loose?

The "right" combination for one poster is -> Rox antivibration risers, fueling at AFR 13.6, a crossbar added to handlebars, BMW GS bar-end weights (heavier) and finally grip-puppies. The result from all this is a tiny bit of vibration left between 3400-3700 rpm, they are tamed and not really disturbing. Figuring about to get another handlebar, SW Motech non-shock probably, to be able to get the puppies of (the grip gets a bit to thick for me).

Many report the vibe all but gone after fitting a slip-on exhaust...that seems to cure most of the resonating that brings about the problem...and from what I read works a fright better than anything you can do at the bars. I can definitely understand why you want this gone ASAP. Akrapovic makes the most quiet aftermarket can, if you choose to go that route.

DIAG - holding both buttons, clock shows, turn key ON, wait 10 seconds, DIAG shows

Adjust the CO setting by +6 via the diagnostic mode
1) Hold down both buttons on the front of the dash.
2) Turn the key to ON.
3) Wait about 10 seconds.
4) The screen will change to diagnostic mode.
5) Press the left button once to access the CO screen.
6) Press and hold both buttons for about 3 seconds to access cylinder 1's adjustment screen.
7) Adjust the CO value. Press the left button to add 1. Press the right button to subtract 1.
8) Press both buttons to exit the adjustment screen.
9) Press the left button once to access the second cylinder.
10) Go back to step #6 to adjust the settings for C:02.
11) When you are finished with your adjustments, turn the key to off.
 

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I have nothing to add to what has been suggested as potential fixes for this problem. My experience with the Tenere (a 2012) is the opposite of yours. My stock seat in low position is pretty comfortable, the bike is smooth running, and there is virtually no wind buffeting using the stock windscreen. I am old, 5' 11", 210 lbs, and don't ride as much as I used to but still do 500 mile days with ease on this bike. It isn't a touring bike but, for me, it is the best long distance pavement and dirt road bike I have ever had. The closest bike to it that I owned was a 1992 Yamaha 850 TDM. I really hope this is just a seat, tune up, and windscreen fix away from being the bike you expected it to be.
 

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Edit to add, of all the suggestions mentioned, hwy pegs will make a huge difference for your butt. An extra place to put your feet is huge when riding long distance.
Do you find that this bike takes to the feet forward highway pegs stance okay? I have Altrider crash bars, thus a convenient place to mount highway pegs, but when I've experimented by sticking my legs out forward while rolling on the highway, it felt like it upset the stability of the ride quite a bit. I wasn't too sure I'd feel safe or in control to ride feet forward on the highway pegs on the Tenere. Neither does it feel very good to pull my feet back to the pillion pegs for a change of position. Both of these are positions I've used on previous bikes to give my legs a break. To my subjective feel when riding, the Tenere does not offer me really any room to move around and vary my riding position while still feeling like I have stable control of the bike.
 

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I have a 2015 ES so take most of suggestions with that in mind. I have done trips as long as 7000 miles and days as long as 700 miles. I am 6'2 or so. Had to switch to a Parabellum large windshield + winglets and I get no buffeting at all. Stock seat was terrible for me mostly, mostly bothered my thighs and hips on long days. Had my seat redone by Terry Custom Seats and now I am good for as long as possible and am ready to go the next morning. I had an Airhawk and it did nothing for me.

I don't have highway pegs, but I find just standing on the pegs for minute during a long stretch of road can help. Cruise control on the 2015 was a must have for me. Engine is pretty smooth and I never had it remapped. I did ride a remapped Tenere and missed the engine breaking. My suggestion is ride in T mode for a bit. After you do that for some miles you can switch to S. I ride Sport mode and really like the engine braking in the mountains of WNC + the power response of S mode when coming out of a curve.
 

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Thanks for all the suggestions. Although, honestly, I just don't have the funds to try all the seats, windscreens, clutch rebuilds, ECU remap, bar risers ... etc. chasing some "maybe" solution. I think I'm just not in the right tax bracket for a big ADV bike after all. I had to dig deeply enough just to buy this bike in the first place and I wasn't anticipating having to spend so much more money on it as I already have in just a couple months (fork seals, $90 just to replace *one* missing spoke, it actually costs more for gas than my car...) In the end I just don't think the S10 is the right bike for me and I don't think I'm ever going to be happy with it.
 

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I'm a lucky fellow and the Super Tenere and my FJR fits me great right out of the box with my 34" inseams. I really feel doing core strengthening exercises helps with comfort on all my bikes more than anything and it’s free. The minute I start to feel discomfort on a motorcycle it’s usually related to me getting lazy in the saddle
 

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Do you find that this bike takes to the feet forward highway pegs stance okay? I have Altrider crash bars, thus a convenient place to mount highway pegs, but when I've experimented by sticking my legs out forward while rolling on the highway, it felt like it upset the stability of the ride quite a bit. I wasn't too sure I'd feel safe or in control to ride feet forward on the highway pegs on the Tenere. Neither does it feel very good to pull my feet back to the pillion pegs for a change of position. Both of these are positions I've used on previous bikes to give my legs a break. To my subjective feel when riding, the Tenere does not offer me really any room to move around and vary my riding position while still feeling like I have stable control of the bike.
I have Givi engine guards with T Rex adjustable Hwy pegs. They are foot forward. It’s not bad once you have made the movement from pegs to Hwy pegs and back enough times to make it muscle memory. It is a bit odd feeling until you get there though. Try just one side at a time until you get a feel for moving your feet from Hwy pegs back to foot peg. It’s best to let muscle memory do it. The more I think about it, the less smooth the action of doing it is.

I typically don’t ride the twisty roads with feet forward. There is a reason they are called “Highway” pegs.
 

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find a seat , I like my Corbin . a (stock windshield sucks ) California scientific windshield is the best I've had . winglets are a must no matter the windshield . bar risers help the shoulders . maybe some highway pegs to stretch out on . but comfort starts with the butt , buy a seat and go from there .
and almost all bikes need some tweaking to fit the rider . good luck
 

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I'm a lucky fellow and the Super Tenere and my FJR fits me great right out of the box with my 34" inseams. I really feel doing core strengthening exercises helps with comfort on all my bikes more than anything and it’s free. The minute I start to feel discomfort on a motorcycle it’s usually related to me getting lazy in the saddle
The #1 best suggestion on this entire thread.
Most look for a way to increase their comfort, durability and rideability with out the work. While laziness is the biggest factor in one's ability to ride, ride long and well.
Speaking from experience, 100% agree.
 
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