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wow back to reality on the k60 dream tire ??? this is only one of the handful of less than impressed reviews of the k60 i've seen.

snakebitten what knobbies were you running in your big bend trip? you think the k60's woulda gotten chewed alive as well?

I'm most confused about the poor dirt road performance...you'd think they'd be as good if not better than OEM's :question:
 

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Karson said:
wow back to reality on the k60 dream tire ??? this is only one of the handful of less than impressed reviews of the k60 i've seen.

snakebitten what knobbies were you running in your big bend trip? you think the k60's woulda gotten chewed alive as well?

I'm most confused about the poor dirt road performance...you'd think they'd be as good if not better than OEM's :question:
If it is a hard packed dirt road, a tire with more tread on the road actually works better, just like pavement ( within reason, that is, a slick isn't better). Knobs work best where there is penetration.
 

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I'd like to see pictures of a K60 wore out in 1500 miles. ??? I can't get myself to pull off my 13000 mile K60s yet.
 

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Karson, I ran a Karoo on the rear, K60 on the front, at Big Bend.

Ironically, if it is true that more rubber on the ground is better on a hard packed dirt surface, then the K60 in 150 size SHOULD be perfect. In my opinion, the 150 IS a street tire if you are riding straight up. That solid center is just as much solid tire as a street tire.

That is what is so unique about that tire. It's truly 2 tires.

Even more ironically, I am now desiring a K60 that is LESS a street tire. For some reason I'm convinced I would like it even more if it wasn't a street tire in the center.

And everyone has their personal preferences on tires, but I'm skeptical that to get better off-road performance you would go to a less off road tire.

I have scorpions on my SM950. It can't even come close to hooking up on dirt the way the Tenere does on K60's. It's 2 different worlds.

Kinda funny actually. Who would think their Pig S10 is more of a dirt bike than their orange bike? But it is. By a huge margin.
 

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I may have responded to this thread a long time ago but let me throw this out again. K60 Scouts mounted before I picked up the bike new. 10,000+ miles before I had to take them off to go to Alaska. They had at least 2,000 left on the rear. Alaska and back including the Dalton. Pavement, gravel, dirt, sharp rocks. 9,000 miles total on that trip. They were more worn at 9,000 than the 10,000 mile tires but what the heck, the roads were abrasive and they had at least 1,000 miles left on them

I think they are a great long range tire, a great dirt/gravel tire, a great road tire, even in the wet. I am currnently running out the OEM tires I never used and hope to run them out but like the K60's enough to put them on early. If I go to the Colorado Gathering I will certainly put on new K60's.

As mentioned you can feel the blocks at lower speeds but it goes away as speed picks up and they never wobble or wander at speed.

K60 Scouts ::008::
 

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Somebody go mount one of these and tell me it knocked the K60 off the top spot for Dual Sport Tanker Class.

 

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snakebitten said:
Even more ironically, I am now desiring a K60 that is LESS a street tire. For some reason I'm convinced I would like it even more if it wasn't a street tire in the center.
::026:: I proved to myself once again this past weekend that my wife's Anakee II bike is significantly harder to break loose on a Virginia dirt/gravel road than my K60 equipped bike. Same roads, same lines, same day, same TCS setting (off), same rider, nearly the same mileage on both rear tires, the Anakee has better traction on dry dirt roads.

Approx Miles K60 rear: 6,500 5,895
Approx Miles Anakee II rear: 6,100

To be fair, the Anakee II has more life left in it. My wife put the first 5K on this tire and she is much easier on tires than me. My first K60 rear lasted almost 8,500 miles, and I think this one will make it that far...maybe. That does make it the longest lasting rear tire I've ever owned on a large Adventure bike.

So what's next? Most likely another K60. I don't usually mind a spinning rear tire on a dry dirt road. In fact, it's often a goal of mine. The only time it bothers me is when I goose the throttle wanting to lift the front wheel over the upcoming pot hole, and all I do spin. That is a bit annoying. But I do appreciate the K60 when the going gets muddy, or doing a water crossing on an unknown bottom. It took more than 8K miles before I ever experienced any bad manners on the pavement. Before that, pavement use was sure footed and confidence inspiring.

My K60 experience has been impressive. I don't think it's a perfect tire, but I also don't think a perfect tire exists.
 

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Dirt_Dad said:
::026:: I proved to myself once again this past weekend that my wife's Anakee II bike is significantly harder to break loose on a Virginia dirt/gravel road than my K60 equipped bike. Same roads, same lines, same day, same TCS setting (off), same rider, nearly the same mileage on both rear tires, the Anakee has better traction on dry dirt roads.

Approx Miles K60 rear: 6,500
Approx Miles Anakee II rear: 6,100

To be fair, the Anakee II has more life left in it. My wife put the first 5K on this tire and she is much easier on tires than me. My first K60 rear lasted almost 8,500 miles, and I think this one will make it that far...maybe. That does make it the longest lasting rear tire I've ever owned on a large Adventure bike.

So what's next? Most likely another K60. I don't usually mind a spinning rear tire on a dry dirt road. In fact, it's often a goal of mine. The only time it bothers me is when I goose the throttle wanting to lift the front wheel over the upcoming pot hole, and all I do spin. That is a bit annoying. But I do appreciate the K60 when the going gets muddy, or doing a water crossing on an unknown bottom. It took more than 8K miles before I ever experienced any bad manners on the pavement. Before that, pavement use was sure footed and confidence inspiring.

My K60 experience has been impressive. I don't think it's a perfect tire, but I also don't think a perfect tire exists.
Interesting info Dirt Dad.

So it kinda implies that their is a big price to pay for that lack of a break in the center strip. Even compared to tires that are , otherwise, far more street oriented. I mean the Anakee 2 is far from being as an aggressive tread pattern overall. But it technically is more aggressive right down the center. Many tires, in fact, are.

 

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snakebitten said:
Interesting info Dirt Dad.

So it kinda implies that their is a big price to pay for that lack of a break in the center strip. Even compared to tires that are , otherwise, far more street oriented. I mean the Anakee 2 is far from being as an aggressive tread pattern overall. But it technically is more aggressive right down the center. Many tires, in fact, are.
Based on what I'm seeing, it would appear that center cut matters on a dry dirt road. Another member here (SFC60) had the idea to cut out a center section of every other lug on the K60. It's winter up there for him in Newfoundland, so he hasn't tired it much yet. I also followed his idea, but didn't do it until around the 5K mark on this current K60. At that point this K60 is about 70% gone for me, so I don't feel I can give any review on the benefits or lack there of on the center section cut. I do plan to cut the next K60 right from the start to see if that helps.
 

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Snakebitten, I'll ammend my comments about a street tire being better on a hardpacked dirt road, since your inferences of questioning this, have not gone unnoticed. First off, a rear K60 gets 10 plus thousand miles for many owners for a reason. Its center tread is harder than a honeymoon dick. That, and inflated to 38-42 psi and with no grooves at all, it has a minimal contact patch and cannot displace even a miniscule amount of surface rubble that will always be on a dirt road. That's why I said a slick would not be a good choice for a dirt road, although in retrospect, because its compound is so soft, it actually would be better straight up and down than a K60. Most, if not all, of the 80-20 or 90-10 tires that you can get for our bike are a softer compound than a K60. Besides that, they have "breaks" in the center tread, as much for water dissapation and to dispell minor rubble as slight flex to aid in traction on irregular surfaces because the flex makes the compound act softer than it already is. That, is what I meant by a "street" tire being better. There is absolutely no arguement that when the going gets rough, and the surface erodes to a point that the tire is penetrating into the surface it is on for traction, a tire like the K60 is better. If you are going to spend the majority of your day on secondary roads or trails, it would also be beneficial to lower your tire/s air pressure to mid to high 20's. As you probably already know, or maybe even own already, there are mini compressors you can carry with you that will plug into any accessory outlet that can air you back up in moments, if necessary.
 

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scott123007 said:
Snakebitten, I'll ammend my comments about a street tire being better on a hardpacked dirt road, since your inferences of questioning this, have not gone unnoticed. First off, a rear K60 gets 10 plus thousand miles for many owners for a reason. Its center tread is harder than a honeymoon dick. That, and inflated to 38-42 psi and with no grooves at all, it has a minimal contact patch and cannot displace even a miniscule amount of surface rubble that will always be on a dirt road. That's why I said a slick would not be a good choice for a dirt road, although in retrospect, because its compound is so soft, it actually would be better straight up and down than a K60. Most, if not all, of the 80-20 or 90-10 tires that you can get for our bike are a softer compound than a K60. Besides that, they have "breaks" in the center tread, as much for water dissapation and to dispell minor rubble as slight flex to aid in traction on irregular surfaces because the flex makes the compound act softer than it already is. That, is what I meant by a "street" tire being better. There is absolutely no arguement that when the going gets rough, and the surface erodes to a point that the tire is penetrating into the surface it is on for traction, a tire like the K60 is better. If you are going to spend the majority of your day on secondary roads or trails, it would also be beneficial to lower your tire/s air pressure to mid to high 20's. As you probably already know, or maybe even own already, there are mini compressors you can carry with you that will plug into any accessory outlet that can air you back up in moments, if necessary.
Hey Scott,

No worries. I tried to be subtle and a bit sideways because there was mounting evidence and support for your comment, but in a narrower scope. And even if you hadn't made the generous effort to amend, I'm not surprised to find out you were actually saying the same thing originally.
I assure you that I value your experience. Semantics, I suppose.


I suck at subtle, by the way. Folks are always smarter than you think they are. :)
 

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As DD said I cut the center rib at every lug to get more traction on dry dirt roads.
And like was said your traction is all on the center rib with no groove for any hook up on the dirt but when the road is soft enough the tire will sink down cause the other lugs to come into effect.
I only had the K 60 on for a short time before winter but a few trips on a dirt road and I found the traction less then the orignal Metzler.
So I cut a groove at every lug, only had one ride before the snow but it was a big improvment on the dirt and I'M hoping on wet pavement.
Now if the snow would stop so I can do more testing. ::022::
Its -3C and snowing heavy today another 15cm. :'( :'(

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sfc67 said:
As DD said I cut the center rib at every lug to get more traction on dry dirt roads.
And like was said your traction is all on the center rib with no groove for any hook up on the dirt but when the road is soft enough the tire will sink down cause the other lugs to come into effect.
I only had the K 60 on for a short time before winter but a few trips on a dirt road and I found the traction less then the orignal Metzler.
So I cut a groove at every lug, only had one ride before the snow but it was a big improvment on the dirt and I'M hoping on wet pavement.
Now if the snow would stop so I can do more testing. ::022::
Its -3C and snowing heavy today another 15cm. :'( :'(

SC
I'm BEGGING to see your masterpiece.

I'm not looking for artistic value. Just wanna follow in your footsteps.

Pioneer
 

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I'm BEGGING to see your masterpiece.

I'm not looking for artistic value. Just wanna follow in your footsteps.

Pioneer
I posted pics on here when I did it but can't find them now.
The pics are in a ride report by DD about sand I think.
Im on a phone now to hard to search with failing eyes.
 

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sfc67 said:
As DD said I cut the center rib at every lug to get more traction on dry dirt roads.
And like was said your traction is all on the center rib with no groove for any hook up on the dirt but when the road is soft enough the tire will sink down cause the other lugs to come into effect.
I only had the K 60 on for a short time before winter but a few trips on a dirt road and I found the traction less then the orignal Metzler.
So I cut a groove at every lug, only had one ride before the snow but it was a big improvment on the dirt and I'M hoping on wet pavement.
Now if the snow would stop so I can do more testing. ::022::
Its -3C and snowing heavy today another 15cm. :'( :'(

SC

That might be a new popular mod :)
 

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That might be a new popular mod :)
Except it will probably have a significant impact on tire life. Cuts in the currently unbroken center tread means rubber is going to squirm more = more heat = more wear. More wear means the K60 would have to compete with a number of other tires for my $. At the mileage I get on stock K60's currently there is no competition!
 

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Except it will probably have a significant impact on tire life. Cuts in the currently unbroken center tread means rubber is going to squirm more = more heat = more wear. More wear means the K60 would have to compete with a number of other tires for my $. At the mileage I get on stock K60's currently there is no competition!
I only got a little over 10000 km from the metzler (6000 miles).
If I can get 5000 miles out of these I'll be happy.

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~TABASCO~ said:
That might be a new popular mod :)
I vote for it to be a K60ROA version. ::)

And yes, you will likely give up some lifespan. But it will hardly reduce it to knobby lifespan.
 

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Here's what's left of mine. Cut with an X-acto knife. I only did every other lug, and did not find it helpful, but the tire was pretty worn when I made the cuts.





Just returned from having the annual state inspection. Dealership told me the rear tire barely passed. So from a "legal" standpoint this K60 is just about done.

I double checked the mileage on the rear, it's actually only 5,900. There is no way this tire is going to last 8,500 miles like my first K60. That first K60 was used on my 4,600 mile ride to Newfoundland. Which tells me the tire lasts longer on the highway, even at 100+ degree temps, than it will when ridden in my normal riding style. Let's just say smooth application of throttle has never been a goal of mine. >:D

I'm getting very close to where the last K60 started to get squirrelly. I may be changing it sooner than planned.
 
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