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Okay, been riding virtually all my life and never had any heated gear other than heated grips. I have a Gerbing heated jacket hanging in my closet that was given to me years ago and I've been thinking about taking the plunge.....

The jacket has the older style SAE connectors, versus the newer coax type. It seems the heat troller options are somewhat limited for the older type in my limited research. They do offer adapters from SAE to coax.

So, looking for suggestions. Are the older Gerbing jackets any good, or should I bite the bullet and invest in one of the newer warm-n-safe offerings? Is there a problem using the older SAE style connectors? Are the adapters any good? Heat troller options (fixed, semi-fixed, portable)?

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I have a Gerbing's jacket .. Oder style I would assume. Maybe 3 - 4 years old? I know they just recently made some changes with their micro fiber or whatever. The plug ins are just a single probe. Not SAE. It's not fancy schmancy but it sure kicks out the heat. I had an issue with Gerbing a while back so I won't buy from them again, but that doesn't mean they don't make good stuff. Just a service issue. I'm looking for another brand. So much stuff out there and they all have positive and negative evaluations. If you get an upgrade, get the thermostat. Really nice for controlling temperature.


Not much help but, hey, that's me. R
 

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Thanks Rem. I'm guessing this jacket is twice that old, but I'm (pretty) sure it is totally functional, based on who gave it to me. I'm guessing some of the newer offerings are more energy efficient than the older ones. It has a hookup harness, but just a simple on-off toggle switch now and I'm sure I want a heat troller so I can dial in the most comfy heat setting and not have to mess with turning it off and on manually as I ride.
 

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The older Gerbings stuff works fine and there are adapters available to meet any need.
The problem with the SAE connectors was that it was possible to plug the controller output (goes from controller to the jacket liner) to the battery supply, which would instantly burn up the electronics of the controller.
You'll wonder why you waited so long to go with the heated gear.
The newer heated jacket liners have split wiring, for controlling glove temperature seperately. Also has soft heated collars and side stretch panels for a better fit and a better means of storing the wiring when not plugged in. A snug fit is a must for heat transfer but dont allow the liner to contact bare skin, wear long sleeves under it.
 

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I'd go for a new one. Apparently they are not only more efficient, but the heat is better distributed as well. And the thermostat is a must. I used mine without one and you either cook or freeze. The thermostat lets you dial 'er right in. I'm looking at Tourmaster? as supposedly the carbon fibers are better/safer? I dunno ..... I know Gerbing makes good stuff. I like my jacket, and it really kicks out the heat. R
 

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justbob said:
The older Gerbings stuff works fine and there are adapters available to meet any need.
The problem with the SAE connectors was that it was possible to plug the controller output (goes from controller to the jacket liner) to the battery supply, which would instantly burn up the electronics of the controller.
You'll wonder why you waited so long to go with the heated gear.
The newer heated jacket liners have split wiring, for controlling glove temperature seperately. Also has soft heated collars and side stretch panels for a better fit and a better means of storing the wiring when not plugged in. A snug fit is a must for heat transfer but dont allow the liner to contact bare skin, wear long sleeves under it.
Thanks Bob!
From my early research, there are not a lot of options for controllers for the older style connectors as there are for the coax type, so perhaps an adapter makes sense - plus then if I decide to upgrade to a newer jacket later on, I'm set.

This jacket has connectors for gloves and what appear for pants. The input cable coils up into the left hand pocket.
 

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As far as controllers I prefer the dual portable type, I just clip them on my jackets waist belt. Easy to switch from bike to bike that way all you need is the battery lead to plug in to.
My oldest controller was originally the SAE type, I soldered new wires on it with the coax connectors.
Check the website at Warm-n-Safe, Mike offers a full line of heated gear and a discount to MTF members. Thats where I bought my last jacket liner and coax connectors from.
Heated grips are good for cool and or wet weather, the heated gloves do better for me in the really cold stuff.
I have heated pants liners and socks but only use them if I am going to be out all day in below freezing temps.
 

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FWIW, I've decided on the Warm-N-Safe offerings, with the new wireless controller. I already have Tourmaster heated gloves, and am in need of a new thermostat. On the FJR, my existing feed is a single plug. The nice thing about the wireless controller is that I still only need to make or break one connection between me and the bike, yet still have separate control over the liner and gloves.

I didn't look at them, but I did see that WnS have SAE controllers listed on their site.

Edit: @justbob, MTF? What is that?
 

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The Motorcycle Tourers Forum, thats the place that I call "home".
 

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Another option is the Tourmaster Synergy line. They recently came out with their 2.0 heated jacket liner and it comes with a dual controller. I have the original model and it has worked very well. I replaced their earlier 3 position controller with a single thermostat type. The 2.0 controllers are the thermostat type.
 

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I have an old gerbing jacket that has worked great for about ten years, it developed a short this spring, gerbing repaired it no questions asked, no charge.

While the newer ones are improved this one works well enough I certainly wouldn't replace it untill worn out. Dont wory about SAEit works fine, just make sure it is wired so that the positive terminal is not exposed.
 

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The comfort, fit and function of the newer Gerbing Microwire gloves is much better than the older style gloves.
 

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The new Gerbings' 'Micro-Wire' offerings are fantastic. I have a set of their microwire heated gloves and jacket liner for the past 2 years and I much prefer it. They heat-up evenly (which non of the old style 'copper element' ones do) and they heat up fast, almost instantly. It is very easy to control the heat output and I believe the newer Micro-Wire does not use as much current as the old and are almost indestructible, you can fold, knead, bend the jacket without damaging the heating elements, since there really are no 'elements' like in the old stuff. The Micro-wire has hundreds of stainless steel strands contained within a fabric ribbon matrix.

Also the Micro-Wire was developed by Gerbings for, and is used by, the US Military Special Forces.

I have had nothing but good luck with Gerbings' equipment and customer service.

I like the Micro-wire stuff.
 

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I have a Gerbing jacket I bought at the Cleveland motorcycle show in 1999. I remember it specifically because I rode to the show on a brisk sunny January day, and at the time it was about as far from home as I'd ever gone. (I'd been riding for less than a year.) It was darn cold, even wearing all my ski gear. I bought the jacket and installed the harness that evening at my friend's house in Cleveland. The ride home was SO much easier than the ride out. It was so fabulous that two weeks later I made my first ride to Deal's Gap. It was the first weekend in February, and I had it to myself in spite of the great weather for that season. I rode well past dark on the way home, and got up next morning to see about 8 inches of new snow in my front yard. Without the Gerbing jacket I'd have had to stop for the night when it got dark, and I'd have been stranded in Ohio somewhere, unable to get home the next day. Heated gear has formed part of my kit ever since, and I bet I have ridden about a third more miles over the years than I would have otherwise, simply because I have it.

Anyway, I still have that jacket and it still works just fine. But it's been demoted to loaner status, as I have bought a series of newer jackets over the years, always looking for the elusive perfection. My main gripe about that old Gerbing is the cut. It's a men's jacket and it has elastic around the hem, which falls at the widest part of my hips. As a result, it slides up and bunches a lot of the heating wire at the waist. It takes a lot of tucking and arranging to get this badly fitting jacket laid over my body properly under my gear, and if I am not careful how I move, it gets bunched up again. Also, the connector that plugs to the bike, is on the inside near my left waist, so the left front tail is constantly getting pulled into a big lump by this wire that has to be threaded around the bottom of the jacket and back up out and over the waistband of my pants.

My old Gerbing uses more power for the effective heating it provide, because of the fit issues. These jackets are all pumping out the same amount of heat per watt - there's no technology going to change that, because the textbook definition of where you lose efficiency in this type of system, is that it gets radiated as heat. And that's the whole POINT with a heated jacket. The place to find better efficiency is in the distribution of that heat. In the case of this Gerbing, a large portion of the heat is probably being lost to heating air in the corners of my jacket where it doesn't actually go into my body.

So I added a Warmnsafe jacket to my gear closet. It has a women's cut, yay! This jacket uses a lot less power, and it's much easier to put on, because it actually fits decently, it's not all lumpy. I'd say half of the power savings is because it's not heating anything except me. I am getting maximum comfort per watt used. But it's also not keeping me as warm as the Gerbing - the other half of the power savings comes from the fact there are a lot more cold spots. The jacket doesn't heat my lower back and the upper part of my butt the way the Gerbing did - it stops at the waist. Also, there are wires that run across the back of my shoulder blades and press uncomfortably under the shoulder armor in my leathers. I don't notice them with the textile gear but in the leathers they bug me. One thing that I really like about the Warmsafe, though, is that the wire to hook it to the bike, is on the outside. SO much easier!

Last year I bought a Powerlet jacket. This is a men's cut again, but it's much less sloppy than the Gerbing, and doesn't have that awful elastic at the waist, so it's less of a battle to tuck in the tails. They have unfortunately followed Gerbing's lead and put the wire to plug it in, back in that annoying inside spot. I continue to not understand why manufacturers do this. You're not plugging the jacket into your stomach - you plug it into the bike - put the plug on the outside!!! I actually wrote to Powerlet about it and the guy I talked to said that other customers (men, I assume) think this inside location is good. Apparently it's less of a hassle when you have a body shape that matches the jacket better; you don't have to fight so hard to keep the tails tucked in. The guy at Powerlet was surprised to hear I was tucking the jacket into my pants. Apparently men don't do that. If I didn't tuck it in, I'd lose a third of the heat! I suggested they consider putting the connector on the outside, if they ever make a women's version. My other gripe about the Powerlet jacket is that the outer shell is made of a fabric with a sort of rubberized texture. It feels "quality". But the truth is, it's too sticky, and your other gear won't slide on easily over it. But once again, if you have better fitting gear, that you don't have to struggle to get in place on your body, maybe it won't be so annoying. I can recommend the heating elements they use, though, and the heat distribution. Those aspects are best in class, IMHO. I'm taking my Super10 to Powerlet next week so they can design bike specific kits for it, and when I'm there I'm going to offer some heated jacket suggestions. I mean, they are already getting the difficult parts perfect! Putting the plug on the outside is easy.

I have several of the Warmnsafe SAE controllers, acquired years ago when they were the standard. Rod, if you want one, PM me - I'm sure we can work something out. My newer jackets are all coax; I should bite the bullet and get newer coax controllers instead of continuing to use adapters.
 

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Good comments in this thread. The most important being that you'll wonder why you waited so long. If there is one accessory that is truly a slam dunk with respect to overall value for cool/cold weather riding, it is a heated jacket.

I have a friend who has a 12-yo Gerbing and it works great. I'm sure the newer stuff is better, but the old stuff is darn good. I've never owned the Gerbing stuff, but have always thought it was nice because it provided a lot of heat, yet folded up compactly when mid-day came and you wanted to put the stuff away. One of my jackets now is the Aerostich Kanetsu and while it is a more versatile jacket because you can wear it off the bike and around the campfire, it is also much bulkier and more difficult to pack.

I do think you want to go with a controller of some sort. Gerbings are noted for being very warm and you need some way to regulate the heat. However, I wouldn't let this stop you from wiring up something simple now and putting the thing to work.

Electrical adapters are not an issue and the SAE will work fine. I do recall that my friend burning up a controller due to polarity issues, so you want to be careful in your hookups if you go with something that can be plugged in backwards.

My main comment is "just do it".

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elizilla said:
So I added a Warmnsafe jacket to my gear closet. It has a women's cut, yay! This jacket uses a lot less power.....
Also, there are wires that run across the back of my shoulder blades and press uncomfortably under the shoulder armor in my leathers.
Not to argue, but the new Gen 4 Warm-n-Safe jackets use 90 watts. The Gerbings Micro-wire jacket uses 77 watts. 1 Amp less. Although with all the modern PWM controllers, you actually use alot less current unless you turn it all the way up. I don't see how you would ever run these on high unless you want to cook yourself, since it gets warm in there. Oh yeah, the heated collar on the Gerbing sure is nice!

And you cannot feel any wires in the Gerbing Micro-Wire (except directly at the plug in point), because there are none!

With all of these heated clothing, the biggest issue is fit. If it does not fit correctly (snug, not tight) all the heat generated will be wasted.
 

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stevepsd said:
Not to argue, but the new Gen 4 Warm-n-Safe jackets use 90 watts. The Gerbings Micro-wire jacket uses 77 watts. 1 Amp less. Although with all the modern PWM controllers, you actually use alot less current unless you turn it all the way up. I don't see how you would ever run these on high unless you want to cook yourself, since it gets warm in there. Oh yeah, the heated collar on the Gerbing sure is nice!

And you cannot feel any wires in the Gerbing Micro-Wire (except directly at the plug in point), because there are none!

With all of these heated clothing, the biggest issue is fit. If it does not fit correctly (snug, not tight) all the heat generated will be wasted.
I use a snug fitting t shirt and pull that over the liner. It really keeps all of the liner near my body.
 

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Boy, lots of good info here! Glad I asked the question about the jacket, etc!!!

Thanks!!
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stevepsd said:
Not to argue, but the new Gen 4 Warm-n-Safe jackets use 90 watts. The Gerbings Micro-wire jacket uses 77 watts. 1 Amp less. Although with all the modern PWM controllers, you actually use alot less current unless you turn it all the way up. I don't see how you would ever run these on high unless you want to cook yourself, since it gets warm in there. Oh yeah, the heated collar on the Gerbing sure is nice!

And you cannot feel any wires in the Gerbing Micro-Wire (except directly at the plug in point), because there are none!

With all of these heated clothing, the biggest issue is fit. If it does not fit correctly (snug, not tight) all the heat generated will be wasted.
'Tour Lite women's heated liner with controller...65-75 Watts.'
http://www.warmnsafe.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=66&products_id=245
You know better than to argue with a women ;)
 

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markjenn said:
Good comments in this thread. The most important being that you'll wonder why you waited so long. If there is one accessory that is truly a slam dunk with respect to overall value for cool/cold weather riding, it is a heated jacket.

I have a friend who has a 12-yo Gerbing and it works great. I'm sure the newer stuff is better, but the old stuff is darn good. I've never owned the Gerbing stuff, but have always thought it was nice because it provided a lot of heat, yet folded up compactly when mid-day came and you wanted to put the stuff away. One of my jackets now is the Aerostich Kanetsu and while it is a more versatile jacket because you can wear it off the bike and around the campfire, it is also much bulkier and more difficult to pack.

I do think you want to go with a controller of some sort. Gerbings are noted for being very warm and you need some way to regulate the heat. However, I wouldn't let this stop you from wiring up something simple now and putting the thing to work.

Electrical adapters are not an issue and the SAE will work fine. I do recall that my friend burning up a controller due to polarity issues, so you want to be careful in your hookups if you go with something that can be plugged in backwards.

My main comment is "just do it".

- Mark
I'd like to echo those sentiments. Heated cloting and grips probably rank among the top mod's I've done to any bike.

I still have the EXO2 Stormrider vest, which does a great job of keeping my core warm....and if the core stays warm, we all know that the limbs and extremeties will be a lot happier. I was limited to a vest when I made the purchase because of the KLX250S limited electrical capacity. The bike had just enough to maintain charge with grips and vest energized. Maintaining about 2000RPM was necessary while stopped ;D I have since found that a good vest really isn't much of a compromise if it fits well and you have a good outer layer. That coupled with a good pair of winter pants keeps me in a 'heat cocoon.' So if funds are limited, you really can't go wrong with a good vest as an option to a full jacket. There may be a day when I feel the need for heated sleeves, but right know all they do is make me feel a bit woozy from the added heat.

Yup! Wiring a PWM controller in reverse can cost some money. ::005::
 
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