Have you had the hard start problem?

[Rasher]

How about a quick toll call to see how widespread this is, too complicated to go over all the possible combinations of a short run, but interesting to see the percntage who have had this happen, and the percentage for never / regular.

Poll is open so if your circumstances change you can update ::008::

 

[terrysig]

Twice owning three FJRs over about nine years but not yet on the S 10 in about a year of ownership. But i think i learned my lesson and always warm up the S10 after any startup.

 

[markjenn]

Could be get some choices between "Once" and "Happens all the time"?

- Mark

 

[ThatsLife]

It's been a full year this month actually and it hasn't happened once.

I hope I didn't just jinx myself! Dammit. :

 

[Rasher]

OK Take "All the time" to mean more than once ::008::

 

[justbob]

Yes it happened to me once after a day of adding electrical accessories and it was before the hard start problem was a known problem or at least before it was discussed here. Now I turn the kill switch off if I am going to have the key on without starting the bike or if I start it I let it get to 150* before turning it off. Have never had a problem since.

 

[Z06]

OK Take "All the time" to mean more than once ::008::

Hit all the time although its really 3 times in 20000 miles.

 

[528Hz]

does this include misfires?

 

[Rasher]

does this include misfires?

No lets keep it to the cranking (flooding?) issue, rather than add in every other possible fault before those who have fallen over in rivers start distorting the statistics, I think other starting issues are almost unheard of.

Changed options to include more than once with and without WOT fix, although as I said at the start without a lot more info such as age, mileage, weather, if the bike had had a short run this won't solve the problem, or prove how often it may occur.

Just interesting to see how widespread it is across the ownership, it looks fairly widespread, but not a common occurence with few owners having it happen more than once.

Over 40% of owners have had the problem - enough for Yamaha to need to do something IMO, but WOT seems to work the majority of the time - but this will rely on a very good battery so I can see WOT starting to be less sucessful as bikes get older and batteries tire. It is still enough to make me want to only stop at the top of hills when far from home and quick assistance - and quite worrying for anyone who goes off-road where a bump may be impossible and roadside assistance will not reach you.

 

[Buckeye56]

Only once. But it was to the point that I was ready to drag out the FZ1 as I was running late. Early June in C-Bus with temps in the lows 100s.

 

[Rasher]

Looks like 60% of bikes have been fine, and when trying the WOT method it works 90% of the time.

If you guessed the average owner here has had the bike a year you would expect only 40% of bikes to experience the issue, but with 90% starting using WOT, only 4% are going to have the issue and not get going using WOT.

This averages a complete failure to start about once every 25 years if the issues were evenly distrbuted between owners and bikes. Assuming we now know what is likely to aggrevate it the chances of being affected can be further reduced.

Even if average ownership is less than six months it is still less than once every 10 years you can expect to not start at all, makes me feel so much better

 

[BaldKnob]

Once in 17,000 mi WOT got it going. Middle of July so hot as balls and I had just put in a fuse to jump the clutch switch (for the 1st time) when it failed to start so I removed the fuse, reconnected the plug still no fire. Having read the hardstart thread, I then went WOT and bam. I may have had the ignition on with killswitch on the whole time fiddling with the fuse, not sure but I now try to start it as soon as the system boots up and has worked as Yamaha intended. Luv the bike, hope this is a non-issue.

 

[EricV]

It is still enough to make me want to only stop at the top of hills when far from home and quick assistance - and quite worrying for anyone who goes off-road where a bump may be impossible and roadside assistance will not reach you.

:question: Really? Have you ever had this happen when not home in the garage? Or more aptly, ever had it happen in the middle of a ride?

The circumstances that lead to a hard start tend to not be present when you're out for a ride and stop for an hour, etc. I don't recall anyone having this issue that wasn't dealing with a cold bike, usually one that had sat for a few days.

 

[WRW9751]

For those that have starting problems, I have several thoughts. Computers are easily confused if you don't allow them to go through their start up mode. We, my self included are too used to turning the key and bumping the starter button. Warm or cold the computer needs to self check, it takes a certain amount of time. IMO we are too impatient and bump the starter button before it's ready. Which takes the sequence out of order, at this point we are our own worst enemy and confuse it further, by trying to over ride it's normal procedure. Don't blame the bike! JMO!

 

[tpak]

What about an option in the poll for pulled FI fuse and got it going?

 

[Rasher]

What about an option in the poll for pulled FI fuse and got it going?

How does that work :question:

 

[Rasher]

:question: Really?

No, not really

Off to the Alps for 3500 miles in July and have not checked the Hotels are at the tops of hills

 

[tpak]

How does that work :question:

Over in the looong thread about this problem http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=2149.0 there seem to be two solutions to this problem, which is generally described as an unintentional flooding issue (I said generally don't flame me).

One solution is to go WOT and crank until started - the prevailing wisdom is that this is the first thing to try but it is unclear how long one should need to crank - some people have described cranking through one or more charges of their battery before getting started. WOT should open the butterflies and maybe cut fuel when in neutral/clutch in thus clearing the flooded condition. Some people have no luck with this solution (myself included).

The second solution described involves pulling out the Fuel Injection (FI) fuse (4th one down on the left fuse block on my 2012) and cranking over until it starts to catch and then re-inserting the fuse. This cuts off all fuel so a flooded condition should clear this way as well, and relatively quickly. In my case it worked quickly - 3 brief tries on the crank. It's not clear how many others have tried this as well as WOT or how long others that have succeeded with this method had to crank.

So, two possible solutions and only one represented on this poll at the moment, but, WOT is the more commonly tried for sure and doesn't involve removing the fairing.

Any further discussion of methodology and theory should probably take place over in the other thread.
http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=2149.0

 

[EricV]

No, not really

Off to the Alps for 3500 miles in July and have not checked the Hotels are at the tops of hills

Real question remains, have you had the hard start issue while on a ride?

Or just the next day after a normal ride?

 

[terrysig]

Well what do you know, right after i said no to the poll it happened. Same as the FJR occurances. One cough a missed start and then having to hook the battery charger up and use a combination of WOT and rolling off/on to catch it.

Took longer than the FJR times but the cloud of smoke was the same. Started fine after that.