Madhatter
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the one advantage of hard bags is better security of items .
Hard panniers breaking ankles...how?
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lund
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I've gone down multiple times with my Mosko's and other then lots of scuffing bike and rider, I have been fine. Some times I hurt but no broken legs yet.
My OE boxes, one broke from a simple tip over at home LOL. Replace it cause I like the OE for street use.
But I do not know if I would had gotten away with no broken leg with aluminum hard panniers and I suspect the boxes would had tweaked and the frame works would bend cause my Jesse on my BMW tweaked and became a bitch to remount the box.
I have yet to experience that with the Mosko's that I have grounded atleast a dozen times.
My OE boxes, one broke from a simple tip over at home LOL. Replace it cause I like the OE for street use.
But I do not know if I would had gotten away with no broken leg with aluminum hard panniers and I suspect the boxes would had tweaked and the frame works would bend cause my Jesse on my BMW tweaked and became a bitch to remount the box.
I have yet to experience that with the Mosko's that I have grounded atleast a dozen times.
yen_powell
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lund
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Lucky no one got hurt.
yen_powell
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Amazing, I admit as I watched the accident happen in front of me I was terrified my friend was going to be badly injured and with no way of getting help quickly if needed. He went completely over the bars and landed amongst the rocks and apart from the shock of it happening he was unhurt. We set him to making some tea whilst we smashed his bash plate back out with rocks because it was stopping his clutch lever moving and making temporary repairs to the pannier. We didn't know then but one of his front discs was bent and proceeded to eat one pad, so we later removed one of the calipers and gaffer taped it to the fork leg, he came home to the UK on one front brake only.
His brother had more of an injury falling off at walking pace next to a sheer drop, panic of going over kept him under the bike rather then move away as it dropped and he smacked a rib against a stone. A day or so later when asked our names by inquisitive children we told them we were called Igor, Frankenstein, Mickey and Donald. They ran over to him shouting 'Bonjour Monsieur Frankenstein' and he was clutching his ribs as his laughing hurt so much, I could see tears coming out from behind his sunglasses.
Madhatter
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there is nothing more fun than getting "your " rib injured friend to laugh non stop. great fun till its your turn.
cyclemike4
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On my real dirt bikes I always took long dab's to correct what ever the situation was. Meaning my foot would go out hit the ground and I would leave it planted as the bike continued forward. My foot would end up near the rear axle before I picked it up again. When I started riding big bikes with bags or boxes I quickly had to learn a new way of dabbing. Much quicker and shorter dabs almost like hopping. I found out quick I didn't want my planted foot any where near the back of the bike! I also will put my foot out much wider than usual if I have time and can. I run hard boxes on my bike but I usually don't have it in bad situations. Of course at times such as right now after our flooding rains the other day my steep long drive way is worse than a lot of the off road sections I have seen in this forum! haha. Actually have caught my leg under my boxes on my drive when I got out of shape. short quick hop dabs work for me.
I think dabbing is a habit most of us would be unable to prevent, whether the boxes were mounted or not. If the boxes are mounted, your lower leg is going under one, no matter how much you think you can resist.
RCinNC
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For anything more gnarly than a fire road, I doubt I'd want ride it with hard panniers. There have been times when I've put my feet down on the bike while it was still moving slowly forward, and my boot happened to catch on something on the ground just enough to slow my leg down. My leg got pushed into the pannier, and of course that tends to drag your foot underneath it. That was on otherwise decent ground, at very low speed, and it happened really fast. I think riding on sketchy terrain, where you probably will put your feet down while in motion, is a definite risk. An 800 pound plus load of bike, rider and gear has an awful lot of potential energy, and if you do dab and your foot gets dragged under the pannier, something will probably give before you can stop the bike: either the pannier, or your knee/ankle.
No, soft panniers aren't a panacea; if your leg gets dragged into one while the bike's moving forward, the same mechanisms are at play. But sometimes the difference between a sprain and a break is a few centimeters of movement. Even a stuffed-full soft bag is most likely going to be a little more yielding than an aluminum box, and that little bit of "give" in a soft pannier might make all the difference between an ice pack and a leg cast.
No, soft panniers aren't a panacea; if your leg gets dragged into one while the bike's moving forward, the same mechanisms are at play. But sometimes the difference between a sprain and a break is a few centimeters of movement. Even a stuffed-full soft bag is most likely going to be a little more yielding than an aluminum box, and that little bit of "give" in a soft pannier might make all the difference between an ice pack and a leg cast.
AlanSmith7
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Whenever a bike falls, just escape the bike otherwise it may give you more injuries.
Easier said than done.
Yes... that's the theory... but for the theory to take effect, you have to put it into practice... and that's where things get complicated...
The uses and customs tell you that if you're falling to the right, put down your right foot, so as not to fall, but with a 260 kg motorcycle falling along with you?….
The theory would tell you that in the face of an imminent fall to the right, support your whole body on your “left foot” in the footpeg and let the motorcycle fall to the ground, you roll over the bike, and this way your right footh will not be trapped under the motorcycle….and everyone will be happy
….but you have to fall several times until your brain understands it, and it does it unconsciouslyAin't that the truth. Even in a controlled environment, one second you're on the bike . . . . and the next . . . . you're on the ground.
RCinNC
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The "escape the bike" idea might be feasible if you're doing something at really low speed on an off camber section of trail, and the bike starts to tip over and head downhill. You're already probably acutely aware that you don't want to follow the bike downhill if it tips over, so you can try and plan to jump off to the uphill side if you feel it start to go. Basically, you're anticipating a worst case scenario, so you can prepare for it. Beyond that, I don't know how the "escape the bike" thing would work. Even if you were trying to crawl over some really big rocks at really slow speeds, as much as these bikes weigh, you'd probably be on the ground before you realized that your front tire just slipped off the side of a rock. Saying "just escape the bike" sounds about on par with "just instantly levitate"; it's not really a feasible plan that you can rely on.
Better to prepare the bike for the kind of terrain you plan on riding, so you can minimize the kind of damage the bike will do to your body when it inevitable falls over and you're under it, or it drags your soft parts into the bike's hard parts.
Better to prepare the bike for the kind of terrain you plan on riding, so you can minimize the kind of damage the bike will do to your body when it inevitable falls over and you're under it, or it drags your soft parts into the bike's hard parts.
Madhatter
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when riding the dirt bike , dabbing seems the right thing to do at times. when riding the Tenere , I try and keep my feet on the pegs at all times .dabbing a 600lb bike will just end badly . there is room for my legs between panniers and crash bars if the bike is on its side.
AlanSmith7
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Obviously
AlanSmith7
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Don't want to write a big paragraph when I already know you can't handle that situation, because it totally happened in different circumstances. The only best thing is you purchase ankle protection.
Cycledude
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Or quit riding motorcycles which obviously ain’t some I want to do
But,….instead of buying protection for the ankles….why not suppose that this protection exists in the S10?…..why not suppose, that this “strange” and “unique” design of the side panier anchors , Thought in 2010…. were designed to “unhook” in case of a fall and protect your ankles…
As well as thinking that a small hook, welded on the left panier support, was also thought for your safety. If you do the test, and try lowering the side stand, and you do it, without looking... with sneakers and a wide pants, you can see how easy it is to hook the pants in the lower support of the box... but that little hook prevents them from your foot reaches the place where you can hook the pants…… It seems that Yamaha could be thinking about your safety, although it does not say so….
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