Hacking the Super10

elizilla

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I just might do it.

I have been talking to Jay at DMC Sidecars. It sounds like it would be moderately expensive and a moderate logistical hassle, rather than extremely expensive and a huge logistical hassle. :) He's going to send me a quote.

Push button shifter, steering mods, electronic trim adjustment, to adapt it to my current health situation. I could be back on the Super10 by spring. Sweet!

Car tire on the rear of the bike, luggage racks, aux fuel, lights, fancy upholstery, etc etc. So many cool options.

I asked how hard it is to take the car off, not to drive the bike solo but to work on the bike. Because all the electrical stuff is under that right side cowl and the car would be in the way. He says it's a ten minute job. I suspect it will take me a few minutes longer, but that is reassuring.

The sidecar could be painted to match my stock bike, or I could opt for a whole new color. Back in 2011, the dealer asked what color I wanted and I said "Yellow." He said it only comes in blue or black, and I said "I know, but you asked me what color I wanted." :) Anyways, I'm thinking, it could be yellow. With film strip decals. I'd already be destroying its OEM glory just by hacking it, and next to the small fortune I'd be spending for the rest of it, getting my choice of colors is nothing.
 

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Sound like a most interesting project to undertake. I am sure many will enjoy following the progress if you decide to pursue the transformation. Wish you the best on the task and on your health.
 

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That's awesome Katherine. I'd thought you'd already parted with the Tenere, great to read you're still keepin' on. ::26::
 

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Maxified said:
Sound like a most interesting project to undertake. I am sure many will enjoy following the progress if you decide to pursue the transformation. Wish you the best on the task and on your health.
+1

Please keep us up dated
 

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Don in Lodi said:
That's awesome Katherine. I'd thought you'd already parted with the Tenere, great to read you're still keepin' on. ::26::
I posted it for sale in a few places but no takers. I didn't try very hard to sell it since I'm afraid I am not a motivated seller. :)

Also in the garage is the NC700X. I can still ride that but it's stressful enough that I don't often take it out. If I hack the Super10 I'll sell the NC700X in spring. It should go quickly since it is less expensive and it still has new bike smell. Someone will buy it.
 

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I think the S10 motor / bike would be a perfect candidate for a hack. Met
a guy last year on a KLR which was hacked.Just a 3rd wheel and a big flat
area with jerry cans and such. Asked him why he did it and his reply was he
didn't think he has another crash left in him.
Good luck with the build , keep us posted.
I wonder if I could fit a S10 motor in a URAL :D
 

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elizilla said:
I just might do it.

I have been talking to Jay at DMC Sidecars. It sounds like it would be moderately expensive and a moderate logistical hassle, rather than extremely expensive and a huge logistical hassle. :) He's going to send me a quote.

Push button shifter, steering mods, electronic trim adjustment, to adapt it to my current health situation. I could be back on the Super10 by spring. Sweet!

Car tire on the rear of the bike, luggage racks, aux fuel, lights, fancy upholstery, etc etc. So many cool options.

I asked how hard it is to take the car off, not to drive the bike solo but to work on the bike. Because all the electrical stuff is under that right side cowl and the car would be in the way. He says it's a ten minute job. I suspect it will take me a few minutes longer, but that is reassuring.

The sidecar could be painted to match my stock bike, or I could opt for a whole new color. Back in 2011, the dealer asked what color I wanted and I said "Yellow." He said it only comes in blue or black, and I said "I know, but you asked me what color I wanted." :) Anyways, I'm thinking, it could be yellow. With film strip decals. I'd already be destroying its OEM glory just by hacking it, and next to the small fortune I'd be spending for the rest of it, getting my choice of colors is nothing.
I hacked a current-generation Wee-Strom about a year ago, with an M72D (ural copy) sidecar from DMC. I loved it! I recently sold it because I needed to get down to one bike and an impending loss of garage space...if I hadn't needed to do that, I'd still have it and still be riding it.

A few things to consider though:

- suspension: to me, an ideal sidecar tug sits low, and has a firm, short-travel suspension....ADV bikes don't match that description. The idea is to minimize squat, dive, lean, and the associated weight transfer as much as possible. I would absolutely budget for lowering links (preferably adjustable) and a substantially firmer than stock suspension. If Jay hasn't already told you this, I will: a sidecar rig can be tuned to go absolutely straight and be well balanced for one speed and one load. Any other loads and speed, and you'll get some pull. A low, firm, and/or a short-travel suspension will expand the speed and load range at which a sidecar rig can be driven and remain stable & balanced. The electric lean out is a great option that I wish I had gotten on mine, but it still won't compensate for getting the suspension done right. What I did is this: I weighed the bike before and after the install, including total weight, the weight on each wheel, the weight of just the sidecar wheel, the weight of the bike but not the sidecar (while attached), loaded, unloaded...basically any combination that I could think of. My approach was to figure out how much weight each wheel supported before and after the install to determine how much stiffer the bike's suspension needed to be to handle not just the static weight of the rig, but the weight transfer generated by cornering loads, acceleration, and squat. For me and my wee, I ended up springing it for a 330 pound rider...quite a bit more than the 170 pounds most manufacturers seem to set up bikes for. It was still on the soft side, but it was enough to get control of the weight transfer.

- removing the sidecar for service: you probably won't ever need to, but if you do, it will amount to 4 bolts (the ones that attach the car to the bike's subframe), an electrical connector, and removal of the sidecar's brake fluid reservoir (2 bolts, attached to the bike). On the sidecar brake, I'd recommend getting the separate brake pedal...it'll sit just outboard of your existing rear brake pedal, and allows independent control of the sidecar's brake. If you opt for the linked sidecar brake, your rear braking system will get tapped to provide fluid for the sidecar brake, and honestly I wouldn't want to mess with that, especially because of the ABS and the S10's linked brakes.

There are a million other things I could say, but for now that may give you a couple things to think about. But bottom line: a hacked bike is tons of fun. Do it, and enjoy it.

Jay and his crew do great work. I was VERY pleased with mine.
 

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Reading about the sidecar takes me back! My brother was born with Spina Bifida and only had use of 1 leg. Not content to watch others have fun on two wheels had a Seca 650 with a side car. I say 2 wheels because the sidecar spent more time in the air. Even with passengers. It was a very different experience but plenty of fun. Did a lot of crazy stuff on that bike.

Enjoy!

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This will actually be my third sidecar outfit.

I briefly owned a K75 with a Hannigan. It had spectacular handling, and Soldierguy is right about low bikes making good sidecar tugs - this one was so low it practically scraped the oil pan on the ground. But whoever had set it up hadn't been content to lower the bike; they'd also put a low seat on it, and normal height seats turned out to be pure unobtanium. It was a torture rack to drive; my knees were in my chin. Not to mention the bike was a real POS. I seriously considered moving the sidecar to another bike, but it was so well sorted on that bike, it seemed a shame to break up the combo, so I sold it whole.

I still own a Ural Tourist. I would never describe it as handling well. But I have got used to it and am fairly comfortable on it. The Super10 certainly shouldn't handle any worse, and I expect Jay can do better. :)

Also, I have Jaxon's lowering links already on my Super10. I have forgotten to talk about that to DMC - need to remember to bring it up. I was able to easily flat foot the bike even before the lowering links, but as the awkwardness overtook me that was one of the adaptations I tried, in hopes of continuing to ride it. Probably best to leave them in place, and not go back to stock.

Oh, and I have committed to this project. I put down my deposit last Friday and they are currently making arrangements to have the bike picked up by a shipper. It's actually going to happen!

Thanks for the good words on Jay. I liked him on the phone, but it is reassuring to hear that he's not just a good talker, that other people have gone through this process and had good results.
 

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Good luck Katherine, I hope the project gets you back out on the road!
 

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Been thinking about this myself.

As well as the Super Tenere, I've also a BMW K100RS with a sidecar (mostly EML). Its a good unit, but needs some engine work now, maybe replacement. For servicing I just lift the body off the sidecar, that gives me the access i need to the left of the BMW.

The Super Tenere would be a higher unit definitely, unlikely to handle as well as my BM in faster corners anyway.

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I can't wait to see pics either, but they haven't sent me any so far. However, over the last week they have called me several times to discuss this detail or that. So it seems they are moving right along. And tonight I was poking around their website and I see they have added the Super10 to their list of available fitments; it says it is in R&D now and available Jan 2015. I am getting excited!

Oh, and someone I knew approached me to buy the NC700X. I wasn't planning to sell before spring, but it's already gone. So that clears a little garage space for when the Super10 gets home.
 

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Yesterday they gave me an ETA of one to two more weeks before it'll be done. They said they'll send me pics when it's together. The shipping from Washington state back to Michigan will take a further couple of weeks, but the end is in sight. I could have it by the end of February.

Anyone who is local to Enumclaw WA, could probably stop by their shop and see it before I do. If you do this, please provide a full report and your grainy cell phone pics. :)
 

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Excited for you Elizilla! Hope you have a good riding season,I think you are due.
 
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