FJR, 2014 VStrom or 2014 S10

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Markjenn is on the money. I have an '07 FJR (my third FJR, in fact) and a '12 STen. After eight months of owning both, the FJR is now listed for sale ($7 grand) over on ADVrider. I've taken the FJR(s) to every corner of the country and into Canada. Fast, smooth, powerful, comfortable in almost any weather. I've discovered now that I want something fairly fast, powerful, comfortable but with longer suspension. The Tenere meets the criteria.
 

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Loved my 2008 Vee but the build quality is pants. I am moving over to the S10 - trued the FJR but it was a bit cramped for my legs. The new Vee has a lewer seat height but after mine and my mates experiances I would avoid Suzuki. His Wee has had all sorts of snags and has cost a fortune to keep going.
Great bikes for motorway mike munching but mine was a right pain on Alpine twisties.
Can hardly wait to pick up my S10

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The Mrs has a Wee, the S10 is obviously far more torquey and feels more like a premium product (as it should at close the extra cost) the riding position is also a bit more roomy (especially leg room)

Screen is crap, but a cheap fix.

I think you will like it if you like the Wee, it is just a Wee on steroids
 

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Z750jay said:
His Wee has had all sorts of snags and has cost a fortune to keep going.
This certainly goes against the grain of what most report. I had a 2006 Wee and it was bulletproof - not a single issue in 25K miles and I absolutely thrashed this bike. Maintenance (including valve checks) was straightforward. And I don't think the fit/finish was much different from the S10.

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markjenn said:
This certainly goes against the grain of what most report. I had a 2006 Wee and it was bulletproof - not a single issue in 25K miles and I absolutely thrashed this bike. Maintenance (including valve checks) was straightforward. And I don't think the fit/finish was much different from the S10.

- Mark
100% agreed. 57K on a Vee and never a hiccup. Have no idea what these "build quality" opinions are based on. There's stuff on the Strom that may be dated compared to the S-10, but that's not build quality. Also, when it comes to keeping mud at bay, the Strom does a better job, and is much easier to clean. Not bad for a "road" bike, eh?
 

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The Mrs Strom is a 2005 and looks very tidy at 30k, I have only heard good things about them and intend to buy hers soon as she wants a bigger bike and will use it as a commuter due to the bulletproof reputation they have.
 

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I had a Wee for a couple of years...maybe one of the best all rounders of all time, especially for the price.
Never even a hiccup. Never heard of anyone having a reliability problem with them.
If one has tons of problems with the Wee....it isn't the bike's fault...that is for sure. ::)
 

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Can't speak to the Vee nor the FJR, but came from decades of sports and sport-tourers. My last was a Honda VFR 800 - you don't get much smoother than that V4 when cruising in the 70-90MPH range. I don't miss it a bit.

The Tenere is by far the best bike I've ever owned. It takes a few thousand miles for everything to smooth all the way out and get fully broken in, but when it does it is quite the ride to behold. Not that it's bad when new, but it's pretty cool when you hop on with six thousand miles on the clock and think, "Damn this thing just keeps getting better!"

Comfort is very subjective, but I dialed mine in with a very slight change in handlebar angle and flattening out the seat with shorter grommets in the rear. Total cost, about $2.00, and 5 minutes of my time. Definitely the best stock seat I've ever had. and while I'm no Iron-Butt like some of these guys I've pulled down 650+ mile days with no discomfort - was up and ready to roll the next morning. My only complaint about the seat is I wish the foam was a bit more firm, so I may look into options as the miles-and-time add up and the stock foam gets softer.

Spokes? I check them every now-and-again to make sure nothing is loosening up (zero loose spokes in 16,000 miles) and I just don't worry about the appearance anymore. Actually, even with a patina of surface crud on them I just don't see it as something that detracts from the appearance of the bike. Again, I don't even notice it...

Buffeting - yeah, I had that with the stock windscreen. Bad! I mean bad like Buddy Rich playing paradiddles on my forehead with baseball bats, bad. Did I mention it was bad? My fix was a Madstad bracket and CalSci Shorty windscreen - all good now. I live in Florida so the additional airflow from the shorter screen is welcome 10 months out of the year - the other two months are covered by heated gear - so it's not worth it to me to investigate a taller windscreen, but I haven't seen a buffeting report yet that hasn't been resolved with some combination of bracket and/or screen. I'm 6' with a 32" inseam and I've seen guys here my size who've had zero buffeting issues with the stock setup. I don't know how that's possible as I tried a few different helmets, and it was always the same until I changed the screen and added some rake with the bracket. Again, that's something your going to have to work out for yourself...or maybe not... ???

My bike is setup for mostly sport-touring, and I believe it's perfect for that mission. It's also great for long days in the saddle (pick your flavor of asphalt) or ripping through some twistie roads - it'll actually surprise you there. And if like me it takes a few hours to get to interesting roads, you can get there and still be fresh enough to enjoy the fun. I run 90/10 tires as about 1% of my total riding time is off-asphalt, but it's been a blast going to find out where that occasional dirt road leads. Even with heavily street-biased tires the bike does fine on harder-packed dirt, hell I've even plowed through Florida sugar sand (albeit slowly) without incident. Or you can go extreme off-road, slap some knobs on and take this girl pretty much anywhere - no really...you can - I've seen it right here on this forum from normal human beings - not just Dakar elites.

You see, to me, the beauty of Yamaha's genius with this bike is that it's a perfect platform on which you can fashion the bike you desire. Just look around here, you'll see everything from sport-tourers like mine, to extreme distance tourers, to full-on nuclear-powered dirt bikes - and some that are a bit of all-of-the-above. Or you COULD just leave it bone-stock and have a great all-around bike...to the best of my knowledge though, RonH is the only person who has actually tried this.

You really need to take one for a spin and decide for yourself if the Tenere is the right canvas on which to paint your perfect bike...for me it is.
 

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Great post Creggur!
What got you all fired up?
Next newbie to ask "talk me into an S10", I'll just "href" them.
 

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I was looking at the V Strom and ended up buying a FJR I think in '04. Didn't care for the FJR handling, sitting position, and heat. Great brakes smooth engine but needed a six speed. Sold it and bought a 1000 Strom. Great bike in all ways and you couldn't beat the price. Sold it and bought the 2012 S10 and I have never looked back. The S10 is more technically advanced than the Strom, and like the Strom, it has that great comfortable riding position that allows you to ride all day. It is fun in the tight stuff and makes some of those crouch rocket riders cry when you blow by them. The only place I think the FJR beats the S10 is in the braking department. I just don't get to ride enough to go out and buy a 2014 S10. Even if money was not a factor, I believe I would choose the S10 over all others.
 

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As a current owner of an S-10 and a GenII 650 V Strom, and former owner of 3 FJRs, 2 650 V Ss and a 1000 V S, I have to agree with everything Markjenn has said on this thread.

Decide how you want to ride 90% of the time, and buy the appropriate bike.
 

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Oh I agree the Stroms are bomb proof and I think my mates must be a Friday model but it was the build quality that's turned me off Suzuki. Great for the price and awesome for the odd Iron butt ride or two but they do get tatty quickly if ridden in all weathers. Still love my Vee and it's the best bike I have had so far for comfort and reliability but having compared what's gone rusty / paint worn / worn out and what's happened to other mates bikes I would not touch another Suzuki. I used to ride about 30,000 miles a year and my Strom looks like it's done a lot more miles than it has. It's stuff like going through two sets of ignition key switches and three fuel cap locks in 5 years that made me annoyed. Still, I shall soon be getting a S10 so
 

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scott123007 said:
100% agreed. 57K on a Vee and never a hiccup. Have no idea what these "build quality" opinions are based on. There's stuff on the Strom that may be dated compared to the S-10, but that's not build quality. Also, when it comes to keeping mud at bay, the Strom does a better job, and is much easier to clean. Not bad for a "road" bike, eh?
It depends where you live. If you live in the southern states, never seeing salt on the roads and rarely seeing rain then you will have no complaints at the vstroms build quality. If you live in the UK and run the bike through the winter and see fasteners fur up, water pump housing corrode, engine covers loose their lustre, you will get the point.

The vstrom does protect the rear of the bike better from mud, but the S10 protects the rider far better, especially the legs.
 

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snakebitten said:
Great post Creggur!
What got you all fired up?
Next newbie to ask "talk me into an S10", I'll just "href" them.
LOL - dunno, Snake - anytime someone asks about the bike there are so many posts about what a great dirt bike the Tenere makes (and guys like You, Karson, and Jaxon prove it!) - but it's so much more than that. I try to be the voice of, "you don't have to ride it over remote passes in Ouray to appreciate it".

***although every time I look through THAT thread I get a little, "Wonder what I could do with some K60's on this beast?" thing going on. ****

Never know, I might just find out one day... ;)
 

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True, though I am about to becone an S10 owner I looked around at all the bike available and trolled the various forums trying to decide. Eventually I went to the MCN London bike show and got the wife to sit on them all and let her butt decide. That plus point out Nick Sanders could not kill one so I shoukdn't!

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You don't even need K60's. I did this on the stock death wings.

My dealer wanted to mount the rear on the wall when I got back. He had never seen one so abused. a year later he is still talking about it

I doubt you will regret the purchase of an XT1200
 

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Went to the Yammy dealer today and sat on a 2013 S10.
Very comfy, much more so then FJR.
This is a demo and when the snow clears he said come back and ride the FJR(2012 trade in) and S10 back to back.
I WILL take him up on that offer.
 

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jwhuls said:
You don't even need K60's. I did this on the stock death wings.

My dealer wanted to mount the rear on the wall when I got back. He had never seen one so abused. a year later he is still talking about it

I doubt you will regret the purchase of an XT1200

Yes jwhuls!

I was fixing to set creggur straight on that one. Lol
There were LOTS of folks riding Teneres all over those mountains and doing a finer job at it than me. :)

This beast my not get its just due in the press, but there were a bunch of longtime dirt riders and MX racers that picked this bike over the others. And it was amazing what they did with them. Especially the 2-up folks I watched.

I learned a lot. And I thank them for expanding my envelope. I'm one of those "if they can do it, I should try it" guys. Not always pretty. But almost always worth it.
 
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