Excel Throttle Control?
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cmastrom
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Quick question have one of these as well when you click the knob back to lock it in does the wheel turn back and the next time turn again etc until it has readjusted itself or does it stay put? I have installed mine multiple times and talked with Tom but mine turns the click wheel and changes tightness I love the product and understand the way it is to work I just hate to send it back for a replacement if I can't get it worked out. Tom is awesome to work with and I am not in any way dishing on this work of art thanks
can email me direct if you wish jdunn@epbfi.com
can email me direct if you wish jdunn@epbfi.com
snakebitten said:After messing around and testing subtle changes, I found I like it tilted forward as far as it will go without the lock-ball hitting the hand guard.
Allows the smallest amount of movement to engage\disengage.
And like changing your golf grip, after a while, it becomes natural.
CDMartin884
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@ CMastrom, sound like you are in the same boat I was in. One thing, I don't use heated grips, so Tom said the 0.20 gap is unnecessary. So I had to re-install mine many times to get the tension just right, just kept fine tuning the inner threaded portion. I noticed when mine was too tight using the star wheel to fine tune, it would rotate back when I locked it in place.
Yea, I took the bar end screw out 20 times and adjusted the inner "offset determiner" on the Excel a little at a time. After each change, I would then adjust the star wheel to compensate for the new "gap". It started to become clear how each adjustment affected the touch and feel of the device.
I ended up liking it best with there being very little gap between the grip and the device. Very little. And since this gap is so small, I have the star wheel backed almost all the way away from the grip too.
As a result, one or 2 clicks of the star wheel covers the full spectrum of not locking the throttle down to locking it down firmly.
Put another way, since I have very little gap, when I push the lock-ball down, it is not kicking the pressure plate very far. It doesn't need to because there isn't very far to go before ample friction is created.
Just know that the range of adjustment for both the internal lengthener and the star wheel allow you to install it with a sloppy approach, OR a very finite approach. And everything in-between.
I ended up liking it best with there being very little gap between the grip and the device. Very little. And since this gap is so small, I have the star wheel backed almost all the way away from the grip too.
As a result, one or 2 clicks of the star wheel covers the full spectrum of not locking the throttle down to locking it down firmly.
Put another way, since I have very little gap, when I push the lock-ball down, it is not kicking the pressure plate very far. It doesn't need to because there isn't very far to go before ample friction is created.
Just know that the range of adjustment for both the internal lengthener and the star wheel allow you to install it with a sloppy approach, OR a very finite approach. And everything in-between.
cmastrom
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thanks to both you and Cdmartin So it is basically fiddling with it until it is just right I think I am going to try the close approach like you did SB I thought I had it once and maybe my OCD kicked in or I over thought it. I was worried it was going to far forward and popping off the the retaining spring and ball. Can't wait for this storm to pass tonight so I can ride to work tomorrow and give my latest adjustment a test. 
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CDMartin884
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Yea, don't let the whole, "I just slap it on and Angels came out of the sky with trumpets" fool you, as some of the other posters have eluded. I did exactly what Snakebitten did to get it right, I have about 3 clicks of the star wheel from no friction, to positive friction, to very positive friction, and quite frankly, mine will still creep.
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Well, all I can say is this - Mine... in all three iterations from first prototype to the final version I currently have... were easy to install, easy to set-up, easy to fine tune and adjust, and other than the first prototype worked flawlessly with no creep, etc. Just for the record, the pieces that were changed from the first version to what I have now were all pieces relating to the ring that interfaces the grip. Everything outboard of the stainless rim that the daisy-wheel pushes against has all gone unchanged.
And as I said, mine has always worked wonderfully - for thousands and thousands of miles. 20-K+ and counting. I should mention I do not have heated grips of any kind, and I'm using the stock Yamaha OEM grips, throttle tube, etc. I should further mention that I do not run a lot of any kind of lube on the handlebar/throttle tube interface... As little as possible. Just enough to maintain zero corrosion.
Sorry to hear some are having trouble getting it adjusted.
Dallara
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Well, all I can say is this - Mine... in all three iterations from first prototype to the final version I currently have... were easy to install, easy to set-up, easy to fine tune and adjust, and other than the first prototype worked flawlessly with no creep, etc. Just for the record, the pieces that were changed from the first version to what I have now were all pieces relating to the ring that interfaces the grip. Everything outboard of the stainless rim that the daisy-wheel pushes against has all gone unchanged.
And as I said, mine has always worked wonderfully - for thousands and thousands of miles. 20-K+ and counting. I should mention I do not have heated grips of any kind, and I'm using the stock Yamaha OEM grips, throttle tube, etc. I should further mention that I do not run a lot of any kind of lube on the handlebar/throttle tube interface... As little as possible. Just enough to maintain zero corrosion.
Sorry to hear some are having trouble getting it adjusted.
Dallara
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Dallara,
It's likely my fault I had to fiddle a bit more to get mine "just right".
First, I did what is unusual for me with new purchases; I clicked and played with the star wheel BEFORE I read the instruction to not do exactly that. LoL. So I deserved the extra effort to get it back to what was probably closer to what Tom shipped it as.
Also, I have those Flex bars and tapped inserts. So it is very likely the distance from the end of my bar to the face of my insert is not the same as the oem Tenere setup.
But all is good. My Excel throttle lock works exactly as you described it would. I couldn't be happier. I don't think I have ever been able to take my right hand off the bar in my life. It's a strange feeling.
By the way, my bike rides perfectly straight with my hands off the bars. 8)
It's likely my fault I had to fiddle a bit more to get mine "just right".
First, I did what is unusual for me with new purchases; I clicked and played with the star wheel BEFORE I read the instruction to not do exactly that. LoL. So I deserved the extra effort to get it back to what was probably closer to what Tom shipped it as.
Also, I have those Flex bars and tapped inserts. So it is very likely the distance from the end of my bar to the face of my insert is not the same as the oem Tenere setup.
But all is good. My Excel throttle lock works exactly as you described it would. I couldn't be happier. I don't think I have ever been able to take my right hand off the bar in my life. It's a strange feeling.
By the way, my bike rides perfectly straight with my hands off the bars. 8)
In the video I posted I set the "gap" with Toms business card one time, adjusted the wheel once or twice and have been enjoying steady speed on the flats and I'm loving the ability to give my right hand a rest---- that doesn't sound right-- lol
Hands down the easiest product install I've done to the Ténéré. One very happy and satisfied customer.
Hands down the easiest product install I've done to the Ténéré. One very happy and satisfied customer.
CDMartin884
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I received the throttle Lock from Tom, read the instructions and watch the video before install, and didn't play with the star wheel before installing it. When I inserted the piece into the tube, it was quite snug, unfortunately though the rubber outer piece was not stuck in place well, it moved around on the metal. The original adhesive was probably just gummy. I spoke with Tom and he told me just to superglue it, I did, problem resolved. I did the card spacing, and it took many a click to get the tension good, probably a full rotation. When I went for a ride to fine tune it, it creeped very badly. I could set it, and after a few on/off engagements, I would have to adjust the star wheel again. Came back spoke with Tom again, and he advised me to narrow the gap since I don't have heated grips. Played with it for a while getting the spacing just right, went for another ride that night, and it seemed solid, no creep. I have been riding everyday this week playing with it, and its hit or miss to whether it creeps or not. Sometimes I can lock it and its locked, other times it creeps a bit.
Just my experience, but I will say that the machining is very nice, its a unique and ergonomic design, and Tom is a heck of a guy to deal with. I ordered it on a Thursday, it arrived on Saturday, and he returned my call over the weekend.
Just my experience, but I will say that the machining is very nice, its a unique and ergonomic design, and Tom is a heck of a guy to deal with. I ordered it on a Thursday, it arrived on Saturday, and he returned my call over the weekend.
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Just curious, CDMartin884...
Has the throttle grip ever been off the throttle tube of your bike for any reason?
The reason I ask is that as the Super Tenere Excel was being developed Tom was often concerned about how soft the Yamaha grips were. He had a couple of other riders besides myself using various prototype pieces and one thing that appeared to cause an issue from time to time was that the Yamaha grips were so soft that the ends would deform and make it difficult for the Excel grip ring to get good purchase on it. That's one reason that Excel grip ring design was changed a couple of times. I recall at one time he asked me if I had ever removed and reinstalled my grips.
So I wanted to ask you the same question... Mind you, I'm guessing here, but I'm wondering that if your grip was ever off and then somehow the end didn't get glued back down solidly enough that it might be flexing and deforming too much to allow the Excel grip interface ring to lock down properly. It might explain why it works sometimes and doesn't others.
Again, just a thought. Hope you can get it working properly.
Dallara
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Just curious, CDMartin884...
Has the throttle grip ever been off the throttle tube of your bike for any reason?
The reason I ask is that as the Super Tenere Excel was being developed Tom was often concerned about how soft the Yamaha grips were. He had a couple of other riders besides myself using various prototype pieces and one thing that appeared to cause an issue from time to time was that the Yamaha grips were so soft that the ends would deform and make it difficult for the Excel grip ring to get good purchase on it. That's one reason that Excel grip ring design was changed a couple of times. I recall at one time he asked me if I had ever removed and reinstalled my grips.
So I wanted to ask you the same question... Mind you, I'm guessing here, but I'm wondering that if your grip was ever off and then somehow the end didn't get glued back down solidly enough that it might be flexing and deforming too much to allow the Excel grip interface ring to lock down properly. It might explain why it works sometimes and doesn't others.
Again, just a thought. Hope you can get it working properly.
Dallara
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CDMartin884
New Member
I haven't had the grips off the bike. I am running the standard handle bar set up. I am still tweaking it and trying to fine tune it, if I can't get it to my satisfaction by the weekend, then I will address it with Tom. We'll see.
Buckeye71
New Member
I had the same issue with the end of the grip deforming so I just moved the grip up a tad on the throttle tube with compressed air. That did the trick for me.
Interesting...I installed mine inside the throttle tube, rather than the grip (I'm running the BMW grips, and don't have them all the way to the end of the throttle tube. I ran up to Vegas and back earlier this week, and was able to set the control easily, and it held well. The hardest part for me was getting the throttle in just the right spot to keep my speed from fluctuating. With this configuration, I have the star wheel at nearly full off.
Mine arrived on Friday morning, I fitted it today. It took about five minutes to fit and adjust to a satisfactory operating state. Having firstly read all the previous info on this thread and the instructions and having watched the videos was a great help, it made the fitting and set-up process so easy. I then went for a sixty mile ride to test it out, and I am pleased to report that I am one extremely satisfied customer. ::008::
This is a great piece of equipment, which will save a lot of wrist strain on a long run. ::015::
I recommend this product to anyone looking for a classy piece of equipment to add to their farkles list. Efficient, speedy service from Tom as well ::012::
This is a great piece of equipment, which will save a lot of wrist strain on a long run. ::015::
I recommend this product to anyone looking for a classy piece of equipment to add to their farkles list. Efficient, speedy service from Tom as well ::012::
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I have placed my order. I look forward to receiving it all the way from the US.
cmastrom
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You will not be sorry once adjusted properly it is awesome. ::013::
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Just placed an order to replace the crappy Karoo .