Engine character?

240sxorty

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So having had my super T since December 1st of 2018, ( I have the 2018 ES model) I find the throttle to be choppy when letting off. I have to feather it off so as not to be chucked forward. I started pulling in the clutch when slowing down then finding the right gear rather than letting off the throttle. Its a bit of a concern on the twisties. especially if I have to adjust speed in a turn. Its hard to do so with finesse. Its not proportionate or consistent to the amount of throttle movement like a tight cable throttle would be.
 

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I just love mine!
Great bike, well built, comfy, always ride in S mode and 2nd traction control mode, love the grunt of the engine! The engine do have a strong engine braking when you let the throttle but Really like that feature , it just blend innmy riding style.
Overall in my opinion you can’t go wrong.
It has been said that the S10 is the most under-estimated adv bike.
If quality and reliability mean something to you
Somewhere you have to own a Yamaha!!
Go for it!:cool:
 

240sxorty

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I think I might try that. Reducing the amount of traction control would be fun. I'm still adjusting my riding style to it but I agree it is an incredibly underrated and super reliable bike.
 

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….I find the throttle to be choppy when letting off. I have to feather it off so as not to be chucked forward....
It's a common complaint. VERY little throttle input is needed. I recalibrated my right wrist, and now I wouldn't have the throttle any other way. But, many have had theirs reflashed, which reduces the "instant on/off". It is the definition of engine character.
 

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I use 'S' mode for punting the thing around,it really just makes it a fair bit more touchy (connected) on the throttle. Generally use it on the #1 TC setting,our roads are pretty crappy down this side of the globe, and '0' or '2' in the rough. She's no world beater but she gets the job done every time.
 

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I'm currently researching for my next bike. Everything about the Super Tenere on paper looks great, suspension, ergos, brakes, etc. The only thing I'm having trouble wraping my head around is what the engine feels like.

The only other experience I have with a parallel twin was my last bike, a Kawasaki Versys.

I have little hope of finding a demo or rental here in southern Utah or even a Super Tenere on a showroom floor.

So.......what's the engine compare to? Buell, VStrom, KTM 990, powerful DR650, ?

And......anyone in southern Utah or maybe traveling through Cedar City wiiling to give me a 10 minute demo around the block?
If I still lived in St George, I'd have been happy to let you take it for a spin. I'm a tad bit further away now. Factory Motorsports in St George has a 2018 non-ES on the showroom floor. Being that it's a 2018, you might be able to get a demo ride.

There are a couple of other Super Ten owners in St George, but they are not on the forum that I am aware of. The engine is less like the Versys and more similar to the VStrom 1K, but with more power, better brakes, etc. There is a good amount of engine braking from the Super Ten, which I like, but if you didn't, it's a easy thing to change with a ~$200 flash from a forum member here.

Keep in mind that this is a big twin, so lots of low end grunt and not as fast reving as the ST1300's V4. Yes, it's a noisy engine, but that's not really here or there. It pulls hard and has many good characteristics. You can ride it quite sporty if you want. I used to have a lot of fun running the canyon on old Hwy 91 from past Ivins Reservior to Gunlock/Veyo or over to I-15 at Beaver Dam. But my main use of the bike was touring. Going places is why I own the tool we call the Super Tenere. If you want something to just enjoy fun day rides on and take off pavement, get something smaller, lighter and go enjoy those things. You'll be far better off than pushing a 600 lb bike over the mountings and trails or trying to ride a twisty road briskly on the big girl.
 

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I guess I really need to find a demo. It's a big investment to take a chance on.

Somewhat off topic............I really wish dealers of Japanese brands were open to demos the way the European manufacturers are. I've never had a problem walking into a BMW, Ducati, Aprilia, etc., dealer and getting a demo. In fact they have often encouraged me to take a spin on something without even me asking. With bike prices rising higher and higher it seems ludicris for a manufacturer to expect a buyer to plop down 14-15k for a bike without a test drive. I've never bought a car, truck, SUV, without taking a thorough test drive down the freeway, through traffic, and up some grades. Once we started passing $10,000 for a new motorcycle we moved pass them being "toys". It's time motorcyclist enthusiasts were taken more seriously and treated accordingly.
Not sure what chance you feel you're taking? Do you ride? Or do you just own motorcycles now and then?

I bought a Yamaha FZ-1 w/o a test ride in 2002. I bought it while waiting for my FJR1300 that I ordered and was 6 months out. Never test road the FJR either. 160k miles later when it was time to move on, shaft drive, ADV Touring bikes were limited. Yamaha was coming out with the Super Tenere. That pretty much sorted that out for me. The local dealer had two or order in March, (IIRC), one already sold, with expected June delivery. He couldn't remember what color was still available, only that he ordered one in each color. I went to the dealer and sat down with them. He was clear that "several serious buyers were waiting to see the Super Tenere". I just laughed at him. I told him: I don't need to see the bike, sit on it, make vroom, vroom noises or know what color it is. I'm here to buy the bike. And I did. It came in several months later in July. The hurricane that year delayed delivery, which at one point was projected to October, but ended up being July.

Ask yourself what you are going to do with the bike? That will tell you what tool you need for the riding you want to do. If the Super Ten isn't the right tool for the job, figure out what is and learn about the choices there. You speak of motorcycles not being toys, yet for many that is exactly what they are. Albeit expensive ones. That's why you don't get test rides as easily. Not to mention the simple fact that far too many riders that have endorsements can't ride for beans and crashes often occur on new to the rider bikes. I once saw a rider total a Ducati in the parking lot of the dealer, the day he bought it, before he even made it to the street.

I hope you can get a demo ride. For the money, the Super Tenere is in a class of it's own. If you're prepared to spend $25-30k and live with a higher maintenance bike, BMW and Ducati are waiting for you. I demo'd a Ducati Multstrada Enduro 1200 at Harrison Eurosports in Sandy when I was getting ready to sell my 2012 Super Ten. I ended up buying a Gen II Super Ten instead. Less power, more bike with more reliability and less BS features I wouldn't be using. A lot less to go wrong and a FACTORY extended warranty that cost around $100 a year. Other brands don't even offer factory extended warranties. They would lose money.
 

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With a 270 degree cross plane crank, the engine character will be a lot like a 90 V-Twin, think Ducati, Suzuki SV, etc. There are twin balance shafts so there is never any objectionable vibration, in fact running 70-75 MPH on the freeway it's as smooth as my old ST1300. There's a bit of a thumpy feel accelerating at low RPM, but I rather like how it feels.
 

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I bought an S10 new in 2012 and added a Rostra Cruise Control, among a lot of other accessories -- I keep it in AZ. Last year I bought a used 2014 and like it even better than the 2012 - the CC is much better, there's a deeper sound from the stock exhaust, and it's an ES model with better suspension than the earlier model. It's a comfortable mile eater that just puts a smile on my face.

I would agree that the S10 engine is more coarse and growly (mechanical noise) than most other bikes I've ridden. I'm not brand conscious and have owned over 70 different bikes in my lifetime so far -- I'm not done yet. That said, I really like the torque and flywheel of the S10. Like my 07 FJR1300 you can let out the clutch at an idle and just move out. I'm very sensitive to vibration in the handlebars. And, while the S10 vibrates it's at a frequency that doesn't bother me. I spent several years trying to change the vibration frequency in the handlebars of a 2010 Stelvio that really bothered me. I finally gave up although I liked the guzzi motor.

Bottom line is that, for me, the S10 isn't boring, but it's not a low mass flywheel high revving motor either.
 

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The only other experience I have with a parallel twin was my last bike, a Kawasaki Versys. I didn't really care much for that engine. A bit too coarse and "cheap" feeling, and underpowered for the elevation here two-up.
Was it the Versys 1000 you did not like? The Versys 1000 is supposed to have a very good inline 4 and was a strong contender for me before I bought my Tenere.
 
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