He was speaking in reference to the Diapason flash, which doesn't (at least overtly) offer flashes for different exhaust configurations.Dallara said:
ECU reflash - results only in this thread
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Like Tremor pointed out, I posted in reference to 1200and1's post about the Diapason ECU.Dallara said:
Question @Dallara: How did your bike run when you fitted the Arrow headers without the ECU Unleased flash? And how does it run now after the flash?
From what I understand the bike does not run smooth with only the Arrow headers fitted. Was that your experience too?
1200and1
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Hi there!
First I want to make one thing clear: I haven't got the idea of the lean bike from OTR, I just thought it when I saw that graph.
When you guys tell me that this is fine, it is ok for me. I DO NOT want to bother any company, it is just a question based on my small knowledge!!!
First I want to make one thing clear: I haven't got the idea of the lean bike from OTR, I just thought it when I saw that graph.
When you guys tell me that this is fine, it is ok for me. I DO NOT want to bother any company, it is just a question based on my small knowledge!!!
Ahhhhhhh........ well, you fooled us there! Especially because the graph was named Graph_XT1200_too_lean_ECU_from_Italy I had the impression that it was meant to bash Diapason...1200and1 said:
Like I said, they do a great flash, you can read all about it here and in the other restrictions lifted topic.
1200and1
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NO, NO! It was just the name for the graph I used for me here on my computer! Sorry for making this confusion :exclaim:
But what about the 2012 question? Can anyone give me a significant answer on this?
But what about the 2012 question? Can anyone give me a significant answer on this?
Just called my dealer, a 50 year Yamaha Exclusive dealer who I trust with my life, and they confirmed that the 2012 ECU is exactly the same as the ECU from prior years. The 2012 ECU partnumber is identical, and if anything would be changed in the ECU, Yamaha would have issued another partnumber.1200and1 said:
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The ECU may have the same part number but it is possible for the flash could change w/o changing the ECU P/N..Blue_eyes said:
Regards, Paul
In theory yes, in practice that will never happen, because that does not make any sense. If you wanted to replace the old ECU by a new one (for whatever reason), and they both have the same partnumber, how would one be able to tell that the new one is ordered/delivered.... No company in it's right mind will assign the same partnumber to a modified part. ::010::Big Blu said:
Further more my dealer confirmed that Yamaha will never remove the restrictions as they are due to emission regulations. But this is an old discussion done and over with in the other topic.
If you want to know from first hand, call +31-20 654 6000 and ask Yamaha themselves.
It's common practice in the industry to have updated loads installed in an ECU with the same P/N.Blue_eyes said:
Triumph released an updated map for the 800XC late last year, new builds had the updated map but the ECU had the same part number as the originals. You can run updated operating systems on you computer/electronic devices and the P N of the device does not change, the level of software changes, same for ECU's..
Regards, Paul
First off...
Wow, I think we skipped Spring down here in South Texas and went straight to Summer. Went on a group ride this morning, and by mid-day the temps were in the high-80's F. By the time I was heading home two weather apps on my iPhone showed the temp as 91 - with a "real feel" heat index temp of 95 - and the ambient air temp meter on the Super Tenere showed 93 at sustained freeway speeds. Thermometer on my concrete driveway at home showed 101 degrees F, and that was after 4:00 PM... ???
Nope, Desert Dave... You didn't miss my impressions. Went through New Braunfels in my car on a trip back home two weeks ago, and stopped by AF-1 with my ECU for the re-flash and to pick up my Arrow headers. Got home that same Thursday night and had the ECU before I went to bed, but business on Friday and Saturday kept me from installing the headers. Got a short ride in on that Sunday, but got little riding in during the week. Got in two separate long day rides last weekend, but still didn't get the headers on. Business intruded again this past week on riding or wrenching, but I did get that ride in today...
I have been waiting to post my impressions because I have wanted to get at least 1,000+ miles and more on the re-flash, in varying road and weather conditions, to fully evaluate it. I've been taking lots of notes, and I have been glad I first got to ride this long and as many miles *WITHOUT* installing the headers. This way I have a good back-to-back from stock to re-flash. Next the headers will go on and I will see how that changes things.
I'm still not ready to post my full *results* review, but suffice to say I am very pleased with the ECUnleashed re-flash so far, and even more so with AF-1... again... as always. I simply cannot say enough positive about Ed and his guys. They are the best in the business, and when I am ready to post my results I think everyone will be interested in some things I learned about the ECU's, their processors, their factory programming, the source of the ECUnleashed flash and the hardware to do it, etc., etc. Suffice to say there may be a few surprises for some.
One thing I can say without reservation - If you are here in the USA, and interested in a re-flash of your Super Tenere ECU... *IN MY OPINION* you will *NOT* in any way be disappointed dealing with Ed Cook and AF-1 Racing. Just remember what the original goal was with these re-flashes. Again, *IN MY OPINION* that goal is positively achieved with the ECUnleashed re-flash...
And don't think Diapason is the only one with a link to Yamaha's race efforts...
Hmmmmm... Maybe that's an advantage with the ECUnleashed re-flash over the Diapason (and maybe others) - i.e. that it can be *TAILORED* to your own particular bike, its mods, your geographic location (altitude, etc.), and so on. Would sure save a lot of time, money, and added complexity (with possible reliability issues) over having to get a PC-V, AutoTune, etc.
BTW, the ECUnleashed re-flash operates at all times in "open-loop", so there is no longer any need for the O2/Lambda sensors. That also works great with the Arrow headers as they come with these beautiful brass O2-bung plugs that are already pre-drilled for safety wire. *IN MY OPINION* this a great thing, too, as that is a couple less electronic components that could potentially fail out in the middle of nowhere. I still have the O2 sensors in mine as I have not installed the headers yet, but as soon as I do the O2 sensors will be on the shelf with the stock header pipes, catalytic converter, etc.
Just out of curiosity, Blue Eyes, how did you come to "understand the bike does not run smooth with only the Arrow headers fitted" ??? :question:
I haven't seen or heard that anywhere... Do you have a link? :question:
That's just not true, Blue Eyes... At least not here in the USA.
I can't tell you how many Honda parts were changed, with no change in part number, over the years I was a Honda dealer. Same thing with GM, Ford, Lincoln-Mercury, Jeep, Subaru, etc. all the years I was a dealer for those brands. It happens *ALL* the time, even to the point it often does cause problems with dealers.
Remind me one day to tell you the story of the Honda V65 Magna gearbox, gears, etc. right along the lines of this discussion... Or the Jeep Grand Cherokee ECU's... Or the Ford BMC's (body module controllers)... Or the... Oh, well, you get the idea... but this isn't the thread for it.
Amen & Hallelujah, Big Blu! Amen!
More on my ECUnleashed re-flash results another day!
Thanks!
Dallara
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Wow, I think we skipped Spring down here in South Texas and went straight to Summer. Went on a group ride this morning, and by mid-day the temps were in the high-80's F. By the time I was heading home two weather apps on my iPhone showed the temp as 91 - with a "real feel" heat index temp of 95 - and the ambient air temp meter on the Super Tenere showed 93 at sustained freeway speeds. Thermometer on my concrete driveway at home showed 101 degrees F, and that was after 4:00 PM... ???
Desert Dave said:Did I miss your impressions of the upgrade in all these posts?
I remember you saying you were doing this and I'd been thinking about the same thing...maybe. Just remember to preface it with "In MY OPINION" and nobody should get uptight about it
Nope, Desert Dave... You didn't miss my impressions. Went through New Braunfels in my car on a trip back home two weeks ago, and stopped by AF-1 with my ECU for the re-flash and to pick up my Arrow headers. Got home that same Thursday night and had the ECU before I went to bed, but business on Friday and Saturday kept me from installing the headers. Got a short ride in on that Sunday, but got little riding in during the week. Got in two separate long day rides last weekend, but still didn't get the headers on. Business intruded again this past week on riding or wrenching, but I did get that ride in today...
I have been waiting to post my impressions because I have wanted to get at least 1,000+ miles and more on the re-flash, in varying road and weather conditions, to fully evaluate it. I've been taking lots of notes, and I have been glad I first got to ride this long and as many miles *WITHOUT* installing the headers. This way I have a good back-to-back from stock to re-flash. Next the headers will go on and I will see how that changes things.
I'm still not ready to post my full *results* review, but suffice to say I am very pleased with the ECUnleashed re-flash so far, and even more so with AF-1... again... as always. I simply cannot say enough positive about Ed and his guys. They are the best in the business, and when I am ready to post my results I think everyone will be interested in some things I learned about the ECU's, their processors, their factory programming, the source of the ECUnleashed flash and the hardware to do it, etc., etc. Suffice to say there may be a few surprises for some.
One thing I can say without reservation - If you are here in the USA, and interested in a re-flash of your Super Tenere ECU... *IN MY OPINION* you will *NOT* in any way be disappointed dealing with Ed Cook and AF-1 Racing. Just remember what the original goal was with these re-flashes. Again, *IN MY OPINION* that goal is positively achieved with the ECUnleashed re-flash...
And don't think Diapason is the only one with a link to Yamaha's race efforts...
Blue_eyes said:
Hmmmmm... Maybe that's an advantage with the ECUnleashed re-flash over the Diapason (and maybe others) - i.e. that it can be *TAILORED* to your own particular bike, its mods, your geographic location (altitude, etc.), and so on. Would sure save a lot of time, money, and added complexity (with possible reliability issues) over having to get a PC-V, AutoTune, etc.
BTW, the ECUnleashed re-flash operates at all times in "open-loop", so there is no longer any need for the O2/Lambda sensors. That also works great with the Arrow headers as they come with these beautiful brass O2-bung plugs that are already pre-drilled for safety wire. *IN MY OPINION* this a great thing, too, as that is a couple less electronic components that could potentially fail out in the middle of nowhere. I still have the O2 sensors in mine as I have not installed the headers yet, but as soon as I do the O2 sensors will be on the shelf with the stock header pipes, catalytic converter, etc.
Just out of curiosity, Blue Eyes, how did you come to "understand the bike does not run smooth with only the Arrow headers fitted" ??? :question:
I haven't seen or heard that anywhere... Do you have a link? :question:
Blue_eyes said:
That's just not true, Blue Eyes... At least not here in the USA.
I can't tell you how many Honda parts were changed, with no change in part number, over the years I was a Honda dealer. Same thing with GM, Ford, Lincoln-Mercury, Jeep, Subaru, etc. all the years I was a dealer for those brands. It happens *ALL* the time, even to the point it often does cause problems with dealers.
Remind me one day to tell you the story of the Honda V65 Magna gearbox, gears, etc. right along the lines of this discussion... Or the Jeep Grand Cherokee ECU's... Or the Ford BMC's (body module controllers)... Or the... Oh, well, you get the idea... but this isn't the thread for it.
Big Blu said:
Amen & Hallelujah, Big Blu! Amen!
More on my ECUnleashed re-flash results another day!
Thanks!
Dallara
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Just spoke to Yamaha Europe here in The Netherlands. What I was told:
When a part is modified, Yamaha will change the suffix (last three digits) of the partnumber (eg. from -000 to -001).
When a part is being sourced from a new supplier, they will assign the part an entirely new partnumber.
When an ECU is updated with new software, it is considered to be a modification and therefore Yamaha will change the suffix.
The XT1200Z 2012 ECU and it's software has not been modified in any way shape or form, it therefore has the same partnumber.
Triumph, and some other manufacturers (Ducati) have a policy and offer the ability to update ECU's by reprogramming them, hence they do not follow the method of changing the partnumber when they change the ECU program itself.
Yamaha does not follow that route yet. However, I was informed that Yamaha planned to introduce that possibility for their dealers this year for a limited number of bikes (primarily high volume bikes/scooters like the X-Max) but they postponed that till next year (2013). It will not be available for all bikes, they have no information that the XT1200Z is or will be on the target list. The primary reason for this feature is that Yamaha wants to reduce costs when only a reprogram is required, so they do not have to source a new ECU.
The above however is no deviation from their standard procedure to change partnumbers when a part is modified.
When Yamaha releases a new ECU (that enables re-programming and/or contains a new software release) it is considered to be a modified part, and that part will be assigned an updated partnumber and/or suffix.
When a dealer uploads new software into an ECU the dealer will need to register that with Yamaha and on the bike as per Yamaha instructions just like any Yamaha factory modification.
The ISO quality and qualification programs require them to be able to keep track of any modification and logistics. ::024::
I rest my case.
When a part is modified, Yamaha will change the suffix (last three digits) of the partnumber (eg. from -000 to -001).
When a part is being sourced from a new supplier, they will assign the part an entirely new partnumber.
When an ECU is updated with new software, it is considered to be a modification and therefore Yamaha will change the suffix.
The XT1200Z 2012 ECU and it's software has not been modified in any way shape or form, it therefore has the same partnumber.
Triumph, and some other manufacturers (Ducati) have a policy and offer the ability to update ECU's by reprogramming them, hence they do not follow the method of changing the partnumber when they change the ECU program itself.
Yamaha does not follow that route yet. However, I was informed that Yamaha planned to introduce that possibility for their dealers this year for a limited number of bikes (primarily high volume bikes/scooters like the X-Max) but they postponed that till next year (2013). It will not be available for all bikes, they have no information that the XT1200Z is or will be on the target list. The primary reason for this feature is that Yamaha wants to reduce costs when only a reprogram is required, so they do not have to source a new ECU.
The above however is no deviation from their standard procedure to change partnumbers when a part is modified.
When Yamaha releases a new ECU (that enables re-programming and/or contains a new software release) it is considered to be a modified part, and that part will be assigned an updated partnumber and/or suffix.
When a dealer uploads new software into an ECU the dealer will need to register that with Yamaha and on the bike as per Yamaha instructions just like any Yamaha factory modification.
The ISO quality and qualification programs require them to be able to keep track of any modification and logistics. ::024::
I rest my case.
Yum.... R U enjoying crow meat, tasty, no!!Blue_eyes said:
Regards, Paul
"Big" blu :Big Blu said:Yum.... R U enjoying crow meat, tasty, no!!
Regards, Paul
How pathetic, you sound just like a small schoolboy.
It gives me joy that all others can witness your true character, or better, the lack of character. ::025:: ::025:: ::025::
Careful there, don't want ya to choke on that crow! >Blue_eyes said:"Big" blu :
How pathetic, you sound just like a small schoolboy.
It gives me joy that all others can witness your true character, or better, the lack of character. ::025:: ::025:: ::025::
) )Me thinks your eyes are really brown. ::025:: ::025:: ::025::
Lighten up man, ya can't ALWAYS be right. ::008::
Regards, Paul
This has absolutely nothing to do about always being right, it is about providing actual and current facts and having them verified by a trustful source, in this case Yamaha. So others can base their opinion on facts rather than fiction.Big Blu said:Careful there, don't want ya to choke on that crow! >
Me thinks your eyes are really brown. ::025:: ::025:: ::025::
Lighten up man, ya can't ALWAYS be right. ::008::
Regards, Paul
You're replies just show how disingenuous you truly are.
When I was notified of additional posts here I came along eager to read more results, not 2 guys swinging handbags. :-\
Matt
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::026::Monty said:
+ 3
My apology to Blue Eyes and to all other inmates here.
Mr. Eyes, I'll be in the Netherlands this summer, and offer to buy ya a beer as a gesture of goodwill. ::003::
I sometimes forget that ....... "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing " - Socrates
Now back to the sechudled programming here.
Humble Regards, Paul
PS: Anyone seem my pocketbook, I think left my airline tickets in it?? ::025:: ::025::
My apology to Blue Eyes and to all other inmates here.
Mr. Eyes, I'll be in the Netherlands this summer, and offer to buy ya a beer as a gesture of goodwill. ::003::
I sometimes forget that ....... "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing " - Socrates
Now back to the sechudled programming here.
Humble Regards, Paul
PS: Anyone seem my pocketbook, I think left my airline tickets in it?? ::025:: ::025::
vetman
New Member
-AF1 Racing
-$449 and shipping
-1.5 weeks
-no physical mods seen
-defaults to touring mode
-first ride yesterday- much smoother, no hesitation, leaps forward a bit harder , I'll have to re-train my throttle hand....... very worth it.
-$449 and shipping
-1.5 weeks
-no physical mods seen
-defaults to touring mode
-first ride yesterday- much smoother, no hesitation, leaps forward a bit harder , I'll have to re-train my throttle hand....... very worth it.