ECU Flash or Bog standard bike?

[squarebore]

Same here. There is a bit of a funny thing going on just off the mark, but it was something that took 10 seconds to figure out and adjust to. Do you have the Unifilters installed as standard?

Yes graham, unifters standard. The only mod is a TBR exhaust slipon. The 270 deg crank makes it sound like a Ducati.

 

[zini]

I found the best mod was the Akrapovic slip on exhaust. Simple and made a huge difference when it comes to twisting the throttle up to 6,000rpm.

 

[fredz43]

All the more reason for me, the outlaw, to ignore them. Even at my peril.

Yeah, they can have my ECU when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.

 

[EricV]

I just got this bike and yes I intend on flashing it.Although I haven't ridden it that much I noticed right off that it had issues.It stalled a lot from Idle and I had hoped it would be smoother.I,m also putting a leo Vince exhaust pipe on it and the guy doing the flash said put it on first then do the flash.I,m not looking for more power just smoother riding.

I think Rasher is right about the poll.

That said, what's the problem with a little throttle management to avoid stalling? I'm not reading that as a bike issue, but an operator issue. If you're used to an HD and you try to ride off on a R1, you're going to stall it from idle, since it needs about 3500 rpms to launch. (just a random example comparing opposite ends of the spectrum) It just means adjusting your technique.

I can't tell anyone if the flash is worth the money or not. I suspect the only way anyone is really going to be able to judge that for themselves is to ride both back to back.

 

[twinrider]

I have farkled the heck out of this bike. The flash was the last thing I considered. And the last thing I did. But it is the biggest improvement for the dollar, bar none. Period. Huge improvement on the overall package.
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Pretty much sums of my feelings except I didn't like the stock performance that much. The hesitation in the first three gears made riding through heavy city traffic a PITA and tight twisties were less fun than they should be. And buzziness through the handlebars would put my throttle hand to sleep on long highway runs. Also, the 1200cc power was not bad, but never wowed me.

The Gen 2 flash changed all this. Throttle response and fueling are spot-on, the engine runs much smoother in all RPMs, no more hand-numbing vibes at all. And the performance puts a big grin on my face every time. This is how Yamaha should have sold the bike to begin with...

 

[creggur]

Throttle response and fueling are spot-on, the engine runs much smoother in all RPMs, no more hand-numbing vibes at all. And the performance puts a big grin on my face every time. This is how Yamaha should have sold the bike to begin with...

^^ THIS ^^

And again, I wonder, how many more they would've sold had the bike ridden this way out-of-the-box?

 

[squarebore]

Pretty much sums of my feelings except I didn't like the stock performance that much. The hesitation in the first three gears made riding through heavy city traffic a PITA and tight twisties were less fun than they should be.

This is why I'm thinking the oz bikes may be set up different. Maybe there are more mods than just the air filters. Runs beautifully and seems to get even better as it loosens up. Only about 5000kms at the moment. Would be interesting to ride a US spec bike and an EU spec bike to see if they are different. Might have to ask Mr Yamaha if the bikes are set up different.

 

[twinrider]

This is why I'm thinking the oz bikes may be set up different. Maybe there are more mods than just the air filters. Runs beautifully and seems to get even better as it loosens up. Only about 5000kms at the moment. Would be interesting to ride a US spec bike and an EU spec bike to see if they are different. Might have to ask Mr Yamaha if the bikes are set up different.

I saw the Aussie First Editions and they look just like my SA bike. Don't they did anything different for the relatively small Aussie market.

I've had a lot of saddle time on a lot of big bikes, if I didn't maybe I would think the S10 ran great right from the get-go.

 

[Ozmac]

So nobody in Australia has flashed?

The motor in the rental felt EXACTLY the same to me. Nothing perceptibly different. The familiarity, when I let the clutch out the very first time, was actually comforting.

(Keeping my promise. )

I'm in Australia and I've had the gen 2 flash done. I thought all the things about maybe I won't improve my Aussie bike like the overseas models (due to restrictions etc on overseas models - perhaps) but its night and day between stock and the flash, now that I've had it done. I'm not going to try and convince anyone to get the flash. I don't need to. I just know the result was worth a measly $500. Cheaper than a slip on pipe but it feels like a bike that been balanced and blueprinted, and dyno tuned. Brings a smile to my face every ride. Only problem is not going stupid with the throttle

 

[GrahamD]

I'm in Australia and I've had the gen 2 flash done. I thought all the things about maybe I won't improve my Aussie bike like the overseas models (due to restrictions etc on overseas models - perhaps) but its night and day between stock and the flash, now that I've had it done. I'm not going to try and convince anyone to get the flash. I don't need to. I just know the result was worth a measly $500. Cheaper than a slip on pipe but it feels like a bike that been balanced and blueprinted, and dyno tuned. Brings a smile to my face every ride. Only problem is not going stupid with the throttle

Where did you get it done?

 

[platty]

Ozmac ... mate thanks so much for the post and the confirmation ... and I'm definitely also interested where you got it done.

I must admit I hadn't quite noticed the extremes of off-idle-stumble and other issues mentioned here (maybe I'm easier to please in my old age ::025: so I was playing with the idea of shelling out for a dyno test to confirm whether we had the same ecu configuration as the USA and Europe before pulling the pin ... mind you I couldn't also see why Yamaha would treat this market any differently in that respect ... yes filters we can understand ::024::

So ho hum ... reflash or personalised number plate (they cost about the same down under) ::015::

 

[Ozmac]

GrahamD & Platty I got the flash done at ECUWest. Tried to contact the other two ECU Unleashed dealerships near Sydney and neither would return a call. Platty I never did understand the "off idle stumble" that others talk about so I probably thought all the things your thinking about, is it worth it and will it change much. I also thought about if I really needed more power, about potential warranty issues, whether there might be an issue with the drive train by allowing full power in the lower gears yada yada yada. The bike runs so smooth now and I reckon it's even more useable off road in t mode and heaps of fun in s mode on road that I'd do the flash again without hesitation. Enough said from me about this, if you get the flash done you'll know what I mean, if you don't you still have a great bike that's awesome even without the flash.

 

[snakebitten]

I promise the 2 versions (OZ\US) are not perceptibly different.
I think the confusion is because if you simply read about "the stumble", but you are not experiencing anything dramatic on yours, you might "imagine" a larger difference between how your bike feels and the one that "stumbles".

The stumble isn't dramatic. And it isn't even an issue if your driving technique from a stop is different enough than someone else's. And in my opinion, with a OEM bike that has well synced throttle bodies, along with a few miles beyond brand new, has a much diminished "stumble" anyways.

My US bike died at traffic stops 2 or 3 times in the first few hundred miles. But after a TB sync and a few thousand miles, it never died again. And i adjusted my throttle behavior enough quickly to overcome the lean-off idle condition. (My guess as to what might be the issue)

I have just under 32,000 miles now. I didn't flash until about 24,000 miles. So I rode an OEM ECU on a USA bike for a long time.

I truly believe the bike I rode in Australia was so similar that I would bet it's the same ECU. And I also truly believe the Gen2 flash would render identical results on an Aussie Tenere.

Sounds like 1 fella on the big island agrees.

 

[platty]

Ozmac ... thanks again for the details and your balanced advice ... I have checked the ECUWest website and noted that the price seems to have come down ... I had looked at them previously and I'm sure that from memory it was A$550 and A$500 if it was a monthly "special" :

O/k .. I've just clicked over 16,000 kays and so (in line with the upcoming Australian elections) ... it's TIME ;D Consequently I arranged a meeting with the inhouse financial adviser (me) and the budget has been updated to allocate funds from next months expenditure to nothing but indulgent frivolous pursuits ::013::

Snakebitten ... I hope you realise that you are also somewhat complicit in this purchase as well Your comments (along with others) just make it easier to make that decision ::021::

 

[squarebore]

Great to hear an Aussie viewpoint and now I know of an Aussie supplier. I've got a big trip coming up so when I get back I'll see if I need the $500 for the flash or more fuel/ beer for riding. Thanks guys

 

[twinrider]

I promise the 2 versions (OZ\US) are not perceptibly different.
I think the confusion is because if you simply read about "the stumble", but you are not experiencing anything dramatic on yours, you might "imagine" a larger difference between how your bike feels and the one that "stumbles".

The stumble isn't dramatic. And it isn't even an issue if your driving technique from a stop is different enough than someone else's.

+1. I didn't even know my bike had a stumble in OEM form till I did the CJM mod with a switch. Only then I realized how much better it could be.

 

[snakebitten]

Snakebitten ... I hope you realise that you are also somewhat complicit in this purchase as well Your comments (along with others) just make it easier to make that decision ::021::

But I was trying so hard NOT to be.

 

[coastie]

+1. I didn't even know my bike had a stumble in OEM form till I did the CJM mod with a switch. Only then I realized how much better it could be.

I always described mine as more of a shudder than a stumble. But that is in the past now.

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[nwrider]

I ride mine mostly in touring mode which I like for the lesssensitive throttle. Does the touring mode's throttle response with the ECU reflash work the same?

 

[twinrider]

I ride mine mostly in touring mode which I like for the lesssensitive throttle. Does the touring mode's throttle response with the ECU reflash work the same?

Yup, still nice and tame.