Cruise Control for XT1200Z Do we have all that is needed but software?

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I pinged Wayne today, and he does not see a very big interest in CC for the Super Tenere. Also, his friend that had the Super Tenere has sold the bike. Wayne needs a bike to get this going, do we have any owners in Australia near TuneBoy that would be interested in taking their bike in for him to look at???

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I pinged Wayne again too. I'd still much rather have that form of CC than the add on cable units. I did mention that many would appreciate the ability to have the TCS not default to TCS 1, but stay where it was set when the bike shut down.

All I need is a 'set' switch. If you could use the Mode switch to 'set' and the normal brake/clutch switches to cancel, it would be enough for me. A bonus would be some indication when CC was actively set, but it's not a necessity for me.

I suspect that when we get a peek at the '13 FJR parts, the switch housing won't itself be the problem, but the ECU functions that are controlled by those switches. Too bad it's not something simple like tapping the speed sensor signal, but more likely some code involved that just buying the parts won't allow us to adapt to the S10.
 

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I still believe that since he did the whole CC with just software and flash to the OEM ECU for the Multi12 that we may be able to have the same deal. The hold up is the actual pinouts of the Super T ECU, the wiring diagrams do not show that, they just show what functions go to the ECU, not which actual pin. That is why he needs a bike.

Also when and if he can write the code for CC he will need a base map to flash at the same time, currently no way to read the existing map then reflash it back with the CC.
 

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I still believe that since he did the whole CC with just software and flash to the OEM ECU for the Multi12 that we may be able to have the same deal. The hold up is the actual pinouts of the Super T ECU, the wiring diagrams do not show that, they just show what functions go to the ECU, not which actual pin. That is why he needs a bike.

Also when and if he can write the code for CC he will need a base map to flash at the same time, currently no way to read the existing map then reflash it back with the CC.

Not sure if this will be much help, but any ECUunleashed dealer should have all the pin ID's on the ECU. I know when AF-1 did my ECUunleashed re-flash Ed had to access a computer screen that showed him all the ECU pinout ID's so he could hook the individual pin leads to do the re-flash. So perhaps if someone there has access to an ECUnleashed dealer/installer the pin ID info could be sourced there.

Again, I don't know if this will help, but I hope so. I wish I was in Australia as I would be happy to donate time with my bike and ECU to get cruise control functionality! ::012::

Dallara



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Dallara said:
Not sure if this will be much help, but any ECUunleashed dealer should have all the pin ID's on the ECU. I know when AF-1 did my ECUunleashed re-flash Ed had to access a computer screen that showed him all the ECU pinout ID's so he could hook the individual pin leads to do the re-flash. So perhaps if someone there has access to an ECUnleashed dealer/installer the pin ID info could be sourced there.
I have come across this issue with regard to a custom remap, we have a good tuner in the UK that decodes ECU's himself, but he told me it is not just the pins to flash-back, even if he had them he would not have any code to modify and flash-back, some bikes can be read and written to from pins on the external connectors, on the Yamaha ECU there is only the write-back pins exposed.

what is required on the Yamaha is to cut the ECU open to read the original code by tapping onto the circuit board internally to read the ECU code, then decode it, and then re-write the new code, once the original code has been extracted they can write back to as many other bikes as they want without needing to cut open the ECU.

People spend a lot of money on this work and will not easily give their hard earned knowledge away, ECU Unleashed do not actually have their own gear and actually use Piasini equipment to read / write to ECU's, but may well develop their own maps:-

http://www.piasiniengineering.com/

You could buy the gear yourself:-

http://www.piasiniengineering.com/index.php?id=73

If you can then learn tow to decode the info inside the ECU ???

My chap tells me some also try to build in anti-tamper, and on the R1's they had some sort of encryption or hash protection to stop the fly timing being modified, the fuelling is easy (if you know how) I guess Yamaha may one day need to make changes if there was any problems, but the fly by wire restrictions they try to protect - I think the same goes for closed loop area as ECU Unleashed are unable to remap the closed loop area)

Funny how some companies try to make these mods so hard, yet others (such as Triumph) make it dead easy, for most Triumphs you can just download free software and alter the fuelling and ignition yourself, and Triumph dealers will offer remaps for different exhausts - probably because they know the bikes have to run so shite off the production line and this gives them a way of fixing it - of course after the remap you will only use your bike "off road" so as to not break any emmisions laws ;)
 

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TuneBoy was the original aftermarket tuning tool for the Triumph, well after dealertool maybe, not sure of the history there.

I thought the work he did on the Multi12 was SUPER, but the owners are being pretty slow on taking it. Think several have purchased, but no reports of any attempting the DIY tuning of his base map then reflashing with the CC. This may be why Wayne is reluctant to do the work on the Super Tenere.

For all the ones that have reflashed already, they would loose that mod as it would be replaced with the chosen base map/with CC, so I doubt any of those people would be interested.

Tiger Explorer remains the only big ADV tourer with CC.
 

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EricV said:
All I need is a 'set' switch. If you could use the Mode switch to 'set' and the normal brake/clutch switches to cancel, it would be enough for me. A bonus would be some indication when CC was actively set, but it's not a necessity for me.
Exactly the same here. I don't need anything fancy, I just want a push-on/push-off button that turns on and off CC, with the standard safety shut-offs.

Very interested!
 

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Coming from someone rode a Goldwing and has 3 iron butt rides under his belt ::26:: ::26:: ::26::. . . Show me the cruise :exclaim:
 

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I really would love to have cruise before this summer rolls around. Holding my breath until my face turns Yamaha Blue won't help, will it?

Any way to send a request to the Yamaha Mothership and get them to bring this thing to the clamoring masses?
 

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Im sure Yamaha already knows it, but it couldn't hurt to remind them that they're direct sales competition (BMW), now offers cc on they're bikes.
 

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Guys, I hate to be a naysayer, but there is a snowball's chance in hell Yamaha is going to give us retrofittable cruise on our existing S10 fleet. If they do it, they're going to want it to be THE reason we upgrade to new bikes, not fix up our old ones. And the engineering of something like this to OEM standards with all the appropriate safety interlocks is non-trivial.

If/when we get something more than BNG in a new S10, then I bet we'll get it.

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yamaha has about a 4 year product cycle and the model came out in 2010 for most of the world - 2011 for North America.
We will live with the current model IN BRIGHT EXCITING ALL NEW COLORS for another year or two.


I'm looking to the aftermarket for any cruise possibilities.
 

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Checkswrecks said:
yamaha has about a 4 year product cycle and the model came out in 2010 for most of the world - 2011 for North America.
We will live with the current model IN BRIGHT EXCITING ALL NEW COLORS for another year or two.


I'm looking to the aftermarket for any cruise possibilities.
I installed a Rostra electronic cruise control and am happy with it.
A nice winter weekend project at a cost of about $240
 

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+1 on the Rostra electronic cruise control and I too am happy with it.
I would rate this as an "advanced" project however and not a plug and play by any means. But with the great install thread SuperCruise did it is not too bad. See his post here: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=622697 I ended up installing the Rostra unit in different place under the seat that I like much better. You can find some pictures of my install near the end of my electrical power panel post here: http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=6396.0
I sure wish Yamaha had built CC into the S10 and they may yet some day but for now I believe this is the best option.
 

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The Rostra is definitely not plug and play, I had about 12 hrs investing in the total job and then it took me about 10 hrs to do the 2nd one for a friend.
I took delivery of my bike August 9th 2011, installed the cruise control that week, put a couple of hundred miles on it, changed the oil and took off to Colorado, Montana and Wyoming. It was a great "get acquainted with the new bike" ride.

http://s184.beta.photobucket.com/user/bm1327/library/Super%20Tenere
 

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Very nice mods Bob! ::012::
And I think 12 hours is a very good time for such an involved mod. I didn't keep track but I am sure it took me at least that long and I was pushing hard to get the bike back in service. ::001::
 

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I'll probably end up with the Rostra, I just hate to install a secondary cable system when everything is there for an electronic interface.

Anyone that's familiar with how Yamaha does things, knows that we are unlikely to see a stand alone kit for CC any time soon. Yamaha doesn't get the accessory market, or see the potential to make dealers more money at or after sale by offering better kit options.

Imagine what the auto oems do, pre-wired for accessories that can be dealer installed. Not a big cost add in mfg, but plug and play for the dealers and pure profit with labor for installs, or bargaining for sales deals.
 

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Wow so with all this experience if I rode up from Chattanooga you could probably put one on mine in about 8 hours now :) Practice Practice Practice :)
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justbob said:
The Rostra is definitely not plug and play, I had about 12 hrs investing in the total job and then it took me about 10 hrs to do the 2nd one for a friend.
I took delivery of my bike August 9th 2011, installed the cruise control that week, put a couple of hundred miles on it, changed the oil and took off to Colorado, Montana and Wyoming. It was a great "get acquainted with the new bike" ride.

http://s184.beta.photobucket.com/user/bm1327/library/Super%20Tenere
 

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lets see, 8 hrs at about oh say about $80 per hr.
Hopefully I priced myself out of the market. lol
 

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Bob I was thinking of it as OJT at apprentice rates not full journeyman rates :)

At these rates i could only afford half and hour every other week :)


justbob said:
lets see, 8 hrs at about oh say about $80 per hr.
Hopefully I priced myself out of the market. lol
 
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