Crash on Dragon captured on camera. Yet again and this one is pretty rough
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MrTwisty
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A perfect case of target fixation. He was fine in frames 9 and 10, but target fixates and straightens up, forgetting how to turn, in subsequent frames.
autoteach
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Ran out of lean angle and didn't move his center of gravity to compensate. Target fixation ::026::
Horrible body position with a bike that doesn't have enough spring in the suspension for the load on it, blah, blah, blah.
100% rider screw up.
100% rider screw up.
kingofZroad
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Wow!! Hope he is okay...
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In picture 1 you can see he started way too far inside of his lane. By being 3 feet towards center line, he may of had better ability to make the curve. I feel sorry for the innocent guy in corvette. One more reason why so many cars don't like bikes.
He probably should have had both hands on the handlebars looking through the corner, instead of at the camera man.
He straightened out and stopped trusting the bike. It appears he probably ground the side of the bike on the pavement, freaked and then straightened up and went right into the Vette.
I hope he's ok, and as others have pointed out, he should have kept his hands on the bar's ::026:: and it does appear he had target fixation. ::026::
I hope he's ok, and as others have pointed out, he should have kept his hands on the bar's ::026:: and it does appear he had target fixation. ::026::
Poohbear
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He made the classic mistake of trying to take a cruiser around a bend. He should know they weren't designed for that ::010::
The problem wasn't using his left hand to wave, I can take every curve one-handed, you just don't need the one on the outside of the curve... it was using his eyes to look at the photographer.... once you do that and take your eyes off the road you're screwed...
Here's the owner of the vette, he said the guy was okay and apologizing for the damage.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-general/3150753-victim-of-the-tail-of-the-dragon.html
he also put a time lapse vid of the pics together.. pretty obvious when you look at that it was something you could have ridden out of had you kept concentrating on the curve and not the car but easy to say when you're sitting at a computer.
Dragon Time lapse
Here's the owner of the vette, he said the guy was okay and apologizing for the damage.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-general/3150753-victim-of-the-tail-of-the-dragon.html
he also put a time lapse vid of the pics together.. pretty obvious when you look at that it was something you could have ridden out of had you kept concentrating on the curve and not the car but easy to say when you're sitting at a computer.
Dragon Time lapse
There is another element here that often gets over looked... We have these same spec photographers out here in Malibu. They stand on the side of the road in the apex of some very technical turns where a lot of amateur (though pro in their head) motorcyclists plow through at high speeds on narrow crowded roads... They use flashes on tripods offset from where they stand... coming around the bend, concentrating when suddenly there is a guy... whats he doing? FLASH shit, what was that... the rest is history.
I HATE these guys
. They are dangerous, often operating without permits and with very little planning. They are never in the same place so you cant even get used to their location.
Just my opinion. Had the camera man not been there, the guy in these pictures would probably had a nice ride. Instead, he distracted the rider causing him to break concentration, lose his line, show off and destroy his bike....
I HATE these guys
. They are dangerous, often operating without permits and with very little planning. They are never in the same place so you cant even get used to their location. Just my opinion. Had the camera man not been there, the guy in these pictures would probably had a nice ride. Instead, he distracted the rider causing him to break concentration, lose his line, show off and destroy his bike....
correction "ran out of talent"autoteach said:
I go through there all the time same old BS, folks that have no business riding that road. Factor in the glamor "look I'm getting my picture taken". The internet ruined the place. 20 years ago you'd have it to yourself and the speed limit was 55 mph. And you'd likely not see another vehicle of any type. Now it's the Harley "trains", foolish sports car drivers, Deals Gap GP sportbike types and just a complete recipe for a disaster.
Having said all that I will be up in that area all next week but I will be dual sporting in the surrounding woods but will make the customary pass in the low traffic times.
Photographer in no way made that moron crash no more than a good looking girl standing on the side of the road would have. First thing people need to realize here is you are in control of YOUR vehicle and by looking off the road, waving your arms, talking on a cell phone, reading a newspaper, shaving or what ever you call it besides driving YOU are the problem.DubbleJay said:There is another element here that often gets over looked... We have these same spec photographers out here in Malibu. They stand on the side of the road in the apex of some very technical turns where a lot of amateur (though pro in their head) motorcyclists plow through at high speeds on narrow crowded roads... They use flashes on tripods offset from where they stand... coming around the bend, concentrating when suddenly there is a guy... whats he doing? FLASH shit, what was that... the rest is history.
I HATE these guys
Just my opinion. Had the camera man not been there, the guy in these pictures would probably had a nice ride. Instead, he distracted the rider causing him to break concentration, lose his line, show off and destroy his bike....
rdbraunie
My, what a squirrelly scooter you have there!
I went there several years ago and, frankly, it scared the crap out of this Florida boy! Had a moron in a Subaru that was racing with his buddy cross the center line and nearly hit me....but my buddy wasn't so lucky. Totaled Sprint ST and Subaru. He got a broken arm and I lost the desire to go back! Ride safe and watch out for the texters!
I was there that day - saw the ambulance come down off the hill. Then saw the aftermath when my wife and I rode The Dragon. Blame the photogs all you want, it was the rider's fault for what happened - he decided to showboat and ran out of talent thereafter.
Just glad he didn't kill the guy in the convertible Vette - which could have happened. We were there on a weekday and there was a lot of irresponsible riding/driving going on nowhere near the photographers.
Would never go near that place on a weekend - too many epic and uncrowded roads to enjoy to bother with the tomfoolery on that stretch of 129.
Just glad he didn't kill the guy in the convertible Vette - which could have happened. We were there on a weekday and there was a lot of irresponsible riding/driving going on nowhere near the photographers.
Would never go near that place on a weekend - too many epic and uncrowded roads to enjoy to bother with the tomfoolery on that stretch of 129.
Wow, Roy and I agree on something!!! I absolutely agree 100% here!!!!roy said:
To think anything else would be to say the same as a fork and a knife made you fat.
scott123007
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Doublejay, You wouldn't happen to be a personal injury attorney by any chanceDubbleJay said:There is another element here that often gets over looked... We have these same spec photographers out here in Malibu. They stand on the side of the road in the apex of some very technical turns where a lot of amateur (though pro in their head) motorcyclists plow through at high speeds on narrow crowded roads... They use flashes on tripods offset from where they stand... coming around the bend, concentrating when suddenly there is a guy... whats he doing? FLASH shit, what was that... the rest is history.
I HATE these guys
Just my opinion. Had the camera man not been there, the guy in these pictures would probably had a nice ride. Instead, he distracted the rider causing him to break concentration, lose his line, show off and destroy his bike....
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...and now you see exactly why I say I am so done with the Dragon. Too many people riding over their heads, and I don't trust them to stay in their own damn lane. The Dragon is a tourist trap of a road and I want nothing more to do with it.
Sorry to see the bad outcome for the rider and the driver of the 'vett, but it's all too easy to predict.
Sorry to see the bad outcome for the rider and the driver of the 'vett, but it's all too easy to predict.
I think ya got it there... he is dragging hard parts in frame ten. there are alot of things he could have done to not get there... for starters "not playing to the camera" good way to get hurt...thfraser said:
Easy to judge from my chair by the radiator with a cup of tea and 15 minutes studying pictures:-
1. Distracted by photographer - well the road is full of distractions and you need a bit in reserve for them, but I know I don't always allow extra room for photographers, pretty ladies and the worst - roadside workmen who look like the plod at first hi-viz glance often causing me to panic brake - even if I am going slow, human nature allows us to easily be distracted, sure he could have done better though.
2. Low line in - The blokes on a cruiser, probably has no Rossi pretensions, has never studied racing lines (although advanced training in the UK uses similar late entry / apex lines) I think his entry positioning was a bit poor and contributed to...
3. Ran out of clearance - this was the real issue for this guy, give him his due he did not sit-up until it dug in, many riders just crap out (target fixate) way before reaching grip or clearance limits. Maybe he could have just kept it scraping all the way around and made it, but in the same situation I have no idea if I would have done so, or at first grind my reflexes taken over and pointed me into the car.
OK in frame 10 he had no clearance, and a few frames later he could probably have turned back in and avoided the car, but this is just a few fractions of a second, the problem was the planning / entry, and I know from experience when you get this wrong it is hard to correct regardless of how well you know the theory (turn it harder, look where you wanna go, get on the gas, drop your body to the inside of the turn, light up the rear wheel and a final stand up wheelie and wave to the camera man.
1. Distracted by photographer - well the road is full of distractions and you need a bit in reserve for them, but I know I don't always allow extra room for photographers, pretty ladies and the worst - roadside workmen who look like the plod at first hi-viz glance often causing me to panic brake - even if I am going slow, human nature allows us to easily be distracted, sure he could have done better though.
2. Low line in - The blokes on a cruiser, probably has no Rossi pretensions, has never studied racing lines (although advanced training in the UK uses similar late entry / apex lines) I think his entry positioning was a bit poor and contributed to...
3. Ran out of clearance - this was the real issue for this guy, give him his due he did not sit-up until it dug in, many riders just crap out (target fixate) way before reaching grip or clearance limits. Maybe he could have just kept it scraping all the way around and made it, but in the same situation I have no idea if I would have done so, or at first grind my reflexes taken over and pointed me into the car.
OK in frame 10 he had no clearance, and a few frames later he could probably have turned back in and avoided the car, but this is just a few fractions of a second, the problem was the planning / entry, and I know from experience when you get this wrong it is hard to correct regardless of how well you know the theory (turn it harder, look where you wanna go, get on the gas, drop your body to the inside of the turn, light up the rear wheel and a final stand up wheelie and wave to the camera man.