Clicking noise over bumpy road!

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Rasher - I'm headed to the UK in late July/early August - easy enough to toss the Ohlins setup in my duffle bag and bring it over with me.

Chris
That's a real nice offer, if I can get pricing / availability info I may be very tempted ::008::

I assume the kit is a couple of springs and some shims :question:
 

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That's a real nice offer, if I can get pricing / availability info I may be very tempted ::008::

I assume the kit is a couple of springs and some shims :question:
Actually, they gut the tubes. All things Yamaha are removed. In fact, they return the removed parts to the customer assembled!
From Fork caps all the way down.

Also note, they follow the One-fork-is-for-rebound and the other-is-for-compression design. So they actually are 2 different internal kits.

And finally, the oem rebound adjuster screw at the bottom of the forks are rendered nonfunctional.





Notice the long blue plastic skins over the fully assembled OEM fork internals. The actual forks in the pic are now all Ohlins inside.

 

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Actually, they gut the tubes. All things Yamaha are removed. In fact, they return the removed parts to the customer assembled!
From Fork caps all the way down.

Also note, they follow the One-fork-is-for-rebound and the other-is-for-compression design. So they actually are 2 different internal kits.

And finally, the oem rebound adjuster screw at the bottom of the forks are rendered nonfunctional.





Notice the long blue plastic skins over the fully assembled OEM fork internals. The actual forks in the pic are now all Ohlins inside.

How can I get those forks internals Snakebitten? They look great!! Also how much? Thanks...
 
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I have had the same front suspension clicking since the bike was fairly new. I did not think much of it since forks do make noise, but it seemed pretty loud. The first time I noticed it during a ride, I wasn't using my ear plugs. I usually always use them, and I can't hear the noise when I do, so there is a chance that it was happening since day one. It's not the brake pads. You can produce the noise in the garage by holding the front brake on and just pushing up and down on the handlebar compressing the forks. I soon changed my springs out with Sonic and changed the oil to 7 wt. The good fresh oil may have quieted it down a tad actually, but it's still there even after all that. Since I tore down and reassembled only the spring section of the fork, maybe the noise is not from those parts?

Recently, I remembered that I origonally only tightened all the fork pinch bolts by feel. I think I figured I have a pretty good feel for it at this point in life, but I was probably just feeling lazy. I decided to do it proper and found out my feel sucks, they were way to tight. After they were set properly, along with a re-torque of the front axle and it's pinch bolts, It seems to have helped even more. It seems quieter, seems like I have to push harder on the fork to make the noise, and it sounds to my ears like it is only coming from the right leg also. If the pinch bolts are too tight, could that cause binding somewhere that could possibly produce the noise? I'm gonna do it one more time with my buddys professional Snap On wrench instead of my old cheaper Craftsman. I'm even gonna do the fender bolts this time, you never know. Not sure if I'm on the right track here, but it seemed to help. Somebody else with the noise may want to try this approach and see if it helps them.
 

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Adogarza,

If they are still available, you would obtain them through Jaxon on Rideonadv.com . (his name is Tabasco here on the forum)
Give him a call.

His Tenere is a test mule for all this kit. Crazy good stuff. The Tenere IS an off-road rock bashing beast once you get her tightened up.
For road going only, and for you skinny guys, (<200lbs) the OEM pieces just need some massaging to get them really nice. (Although the rear shock has its limits)

Good luck.
 
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I have had the same front suspension clicking since the bike was fairly new. I did not think much of it since forks do make noise, but it seemed pretty loud. The first time I noticed it during a ride, I wasn't using my ear plugs. I usually always use them, and I can't hear the noise when I do, so there is a chance that it was happening since day one. It's not the brake pads. You can produce the noise in the garage by holding the front brake on and just pushing up and down on the handlebar compressing the forks. I soon changed my springs out with Sonic and changed the oil to 7 wt. The good fresh oil may have quieted it down a tad actually, but it's still there even after all that. Since I tore down and reassembled only the spring section of the fork, maybe the noise is not from those parts?

Recently, I remembered that I origonally only tightened all the fork pinch bolts by feel. I think I figured I have a pretty good feel for it at this point in life, but I was probably just feeling lazy. I decided to do it proper and found out my feel sucks, they were way to tight. After they were set properly, along with a re-torque of the front axle and it's pinch bolts, It seems to have helped even more. It seems quieter, seems like I have to push harder on the fork to make the noise, and it sounds to my ears like it is only coming from the right leg also. If the pinch bolts are too tight, could that cause binding somewhere that could possibly produce the noise? I'm gonna do it one more time with my buddys professional Snap On wrench instead of my old cheaper Craftsman. I'm even gonna do the fender bolts this time, you never know. Not sure if I'm on the right track here, but it seemed to help. Somebody else with the noise may want to try this approach and see if it helps them.
I was just working on my ST and repacked the tool bag that come with the bike. As I did it, I thought maybe this could be your noise, if yours came loose. It won't hurt to check, and it is on the right side close to the right fork.
 

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My tool bag is in my tailpack and I can hear a clicking when I pump the forks. Also it sounds like it is coming from the right side. Perhaps if I can get someone to listen in that area, it might give us a clue.
 

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I have had the same front suspension clicking since the bike was fairly new. I did not think much of it since forks do make noise, but it seemed pretty loud. The first time I noticed it during a ride, I wasn't using my ear plugs. I usually always use them, and I can't hear the noise when I do, so there is a chance that it was happening since day one. It's not the brake pads. You can produce the noise in the garage by holding the front brake on and just pushing up and down on the handlebar compressing the forks. I soon changed my springs out with Sonic and changed the oil to 7 wt. The good fresh oil may have quieted it down a tad actually, but it's still there even after all that. Since I tore down and reassembled only the spring section of the fork, maybe the noise is not from those parts?

Recently, I remembered that I origonally only tightened all the fork pinch bolts by feel. I think I figured I have a pretty good feel for it at this point in life, but I was probably just feeling lazy. I decided to do it proper and found out my feel sucks, they were way to tight. After they were set properly, along with a re-torque of the front axle and it's pinch bolts, It seems to have helped even more. It seems quieter, seems like I have to push harder on the fork to make the noise, and it sounds to my ears like it is only coming from the right leg also. If the pinch bolts are too tight, could that cause binding somewhere that could possibly produce the noise? I'm gonna do it one more time with my buddys professional Snap On wrench instead of my old cheaper Craftsman. I'm even gonna do the fender bolts this time, you never know. Not sure if I'm on the right track here, but it seemed to help. Somebody else with the noise may want to try this approach and see if it helps them.
Hey Motostevie, you were right!!! I fixed my clicking noise thanks to your idea.. This is what I did.. I loose the forks on the lower triple clamp (both sides), them I loosen one side on the upper triple clamp, rotated the fork a bit and aligned the fork with the triple clamp top and tighten. Them the other side, loosen it, rotated a bit and aligned with top edge of triple clamp using the other side as reference and tighten; I did notice since new, that one of the forks was a little higher than the other one (+/- 1 mm). After that, I compressed the forks a bit while holding the front brake, them re-tighten and torqued the lower bracket pinch bolts (lower triple clamp). I took the bike for a ride and guess what? no more noise.. Something what not aligned or torqued properly at the factory...Now the front suspension does not make noises while riding over bumps....I don't know if there any kind of special grease that we can use to lubricate the forks were they make contact with the upper and lower brackets (triple clamp)?... Any suggestion? ::012:: ::012:: ::012::


From a web site:
How To Ensure Proper Fork Installation

First, install the fork legs into the triple clamps ensuring you have the fork leg with the brake caliper mounting boss on the proper side, and to ensure that the fork legs are of the same height, and the overlap of each fork is at equal heights. There is more on fork overlap here, then ensure that the bleeders are positioned towards the front, as this will make bleeding air from the forks in the future easier.
Once the fork legs are installed in the triple clamps, work on tightening the triple clamp pinch bolts in an alternating fashion on one fork leg at a time, beginning with the top clamp of each fork leg, then the bottom until both upper and lower clamps of each fork leg are torqued to the value specified in a factory service manual specific to the motorcycle being serviced.
- See more at: http://www.your-adrenaline-fix.com/fork-installation.html#sthash.IcoAOfra.dpuf
 
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Wow, glad it worked for you. Your procedure for doing it was more specific than mine, so I will try your order of tightening and also twist the legs a bit and torque them with my buds Quality torque wrench. Maybe I will completely kill the noise this time. Does your front end seem to compress smoother now? I swear I thoungt I noticed that too, but maybe it's just seems better because I think it should.

This idea came to me when I started thinking about another thread I read that talked about loosening and torquing the rear axle bolt, and the rear end practally sprung into the proper position, and cured the bikes tendency to pull left when you took your hands off the bars. That actually applied to my bike too. It's starting to seem to me like factory doesn't pay much attention to proper torque values when they build them.
 
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Not sure about grease on the forks, it might make things interesting on a big bump. It's true that I know absolutely nothing about the physics involved with this type of metal to metal contact, but no service manual I ever read said to do it, so I wouldn't.
 

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Actually, they gut the tubes. All things Yamaha are removed. In fact, they return the removed parts to the customer assembled!
From Fork caps all the way down.
I assume this means you have to send your forks complete to Ohlins in the US :question:

Rules it out for me, the psotage alone would be crippling, then the UK Tax man will charge another 20% on top of parts AND shipping costs (Utter Bastard)

I was hoping it was a kit I could get my suspension folks to fit for me.
 

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Wow, glad it worked for you. Your procedure for doing it was more specific than mine, so I will try your order of tightening and also twist the legs a bit and torque them with my buds Quality torque wrench. Maybe I will completely kill the noise this time. Does your front end seem to compress smoother now? I swear I thoungt I noticed that too, but maybe it's just seems better because I think it should.

This idea came to me when I started thinking about another thread I read that talked about loosening and torquing the rear axle bolt, and the rear end practally sprung into the proper position, and cured the bikes tendency to pull left when you took your hands off the bars. That actually applied to my bike too. It's starting to seem to me like factory doesn't pay much attention to proper torque values when they build them.
Yes, it does compress smoother.. now, about the grease on the forks, is because I ride bicycles and sometimes you can use a special grease on the carbon seat post to eliminate noises...so I thought that may be I could do something similar, that do not compromise safety...today I took it for another ride and yes no more noise.. Also I have the impression that using a big torque wrench for a small bolt apply more torque than the specified on the wrench... that's the reason why I bought a 1/4" torque wrench for small bolts.. but most important I am a happy camper with my S10... I hope this posts will help other people with this noise.. and thanks to everybody....
 

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I assume this means you have to send your forks complete to Ohlins in the US :question:

Rules it out for me, the psotage alone would be crippling, then the UK Tax man will charge another 20% on top of parts AND shipping costs (Utter Bastard)

I was hoping it was a kit I could get my suspension folks to fit for me.
I wouldn't completely rule it out.
As long as Jaxon can confirm that the "kits" are not all gone (There was a finite number built by Ohlins) I suppose they could ship the kit to you and you have a local Ohlins (suspension) guy assemble?
Regardless, it would NOT be cheap. As you said, the Gold "O" stands for OH MY $$$.
 

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Great news on you fellas solving the OEM clicking noise!

That is what these forums is all about. Collective efforts-wisdom-experience.
 

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I assume this means you have to send your forks complete to Ohlins in the US :question:

Rules it out for me, the psotage alone would be crippling, then the UK Tax man will charge another 20% on top of parts AND shipping costs (Utter Bastard)

I was hoping it was a kit I could get my suspension folks to fit for me.
Of you want Ohlins we can get you fixed up... Just let me know... I can answer any questions you might have...
 

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Once again, you guys have proven what a valuable resource this forum is. As mentioned, I recently noticed the clicking noise when I compressed the forks by pushing down while holding the front brake. I can't blame the factory in my case. I got the forks back from Nick about a month ago and installed them per the manual. I don't know if I had that problem then, but didn't notice it. Recently, I decided to slide the forks up a bit to see how I liked a bit quicker steering. In both cases, I believe that I followed the manual and did use torque wrenches, 1/2 drive clicker on the axle and 3/8 bar type on the fork triples. In any case, today after reading this thread, I decided to start over, so removed the front wheel, slid the forks back to the original position, tightened the lower clamp bolts first per the manual, then the top clamp bolts, torqueing them all. Then installed the wheel and axle, stroking the forks before torqueing the axle, per the manual's instructions, then buttoned it all up. Guess what, no more clicking! ;D

So, in spite of my recollection that I did it all correctly, I must have done something not quite right the last time. In any case, it is golden right now. Thanks a bunch!
 
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Glad I could help with this problem. The Factory Shop Manual, yes, that's a valuable resource also, one I should use more often.

To Tabasco, (Jaxon),

I got a really good deal on the Ohlins shock at the Americade Rally last week in Lake George NY. It was delivered to my house before I got back from the rally. Mike, the sales manager there told me that they have a guy doing Tenere forks also if I was interested. I said I recently changed to Sonic straight rate springs and new oil, and probably just interested in the shock for now, but I asked him for the contact for future reference. Well, when he wrote it down I recognized it as a forum member, and it's you of course.

I am OK with the bike as it is right now, but I won't rule out the fork upgrade....hell, I got the shock, might as well consider going all the way.
I got a feeling it will be a bunch more $$ than the shock. Probably more than I would want to spend, at least right now, but I would be interested to know approx. how long would it take, and how much would it cost?
Is this info you can post here?
 

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I would also be interested in at least having an approximate cost, my linear springs and the setup work have got it much nicer, but them internals do look really sweet :)
 
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Haven't fixed the clicking noise yet. I will do it this weekend. What are the torque values for every bolt??? I mean the bolts of both triple clamps, handlebar bolts, brake calipers, front axle, etc. I appreciate your help because that noise is already driving me nuts!!!!


Thanks

Nicolás
 
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