Another S10 VS GSA Article

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I like to see them compare the S10 with an extra 4K spent on it with the GSA.

In Australia the price diff is 29K to 20K.

Anyway another "too close to call" article. ::008::
 

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Never been a Rider subscriber so don't know if this is their typical "middle of the road, they are both good" review or a fair assessment. Seems fair and balanced and they didn't automatically jump on the BMW bandwagon. And they got the dyno right in Sport mode!
 

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"these bikes are so evenly matched that the decision comes down to preference more than performance"

Right out of the box Yamaha can go heads up with BMW.

We are starting to see the other Mag's come around to what we owners already know. They can try to hold down a good thing only so long before the rest see they were one sided and report the truth.
 

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Nice link DC.

I think the mags are off the hook (not worried about loosing much BMW ad dollars) because they will make it all up to BMW with massive suck up once their new water cooled GS comes out next year...
 

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Wulfgar said:
Never been a Rider subscriber so don't know if this is their typical "middle of the road, they are both good" review or a fair assessment.
Well since reviews seem to drift between BMW is better and S10 is better, I would say that it's not so far out of the ballpark to be sus.

Most of the S10 wins come from dirty riders, most of the GS wins come from "road riders" who fear the mighty S10. It turns their knees to jelly. Harrrrr!

But I think Motor Cycle USA made a fair call at the end. Figure out how dirty you are and go from there. I know people think that's a cop out but in the "in between lands" of Adventure bikes, I think it is a fair thing to do.
 

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X5 said:
Nice link DC.

I think the mags are off the hook (not worried about loosing much BMW ad dollars) because they will make it all up to BMW with massive suck up once their new water cooled GS comes out next year...
plus the two long awaited and discussed C600 and C650GT scoots, which I've been waiting on the side lines for since confirmed by BMW... seriously there is some good kit coming out at moment and in the not-to-distant future, despite the pessimism in some global quarters.
::008::
 

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bikerdoc said:
plus the two long awaited and discussed C600 and C650GT scoots, which I've been waiting on the side lines for since confirmed by BMW... seriously there is some good kit coming out at moment and in the not-to-distant future, despite the pessimism in some global quarters.
::008::
Well, whether or not it's 'seriously good kit' is speculative at the point. I love how innovative BMW is, but they need to silence the critics when the subject of reliablity is breached. That is an essential element in any 'seriously good kit,' IMHO. Hopefully pressure from the S10 has pushed them to examine and improve their QC process instead of just making products that make people say 'oooo, ahhhh, I want one' then suffer through malfunctions and high-priced repair/maintenance.
 

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The Tenere is clearly the better bike. Only because it has two more wins than BMW in the DAKAR
And it's named after the desert (win!)....not a freakin waffle (epic fail!) 8)
 

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Tremor38 said:
Well, whether or not it's 'seriously good kit' is speculative at the point. I love how innovative BMW is, but they need to silence the critics when the subject of reliablity is breached. That is an essential element in any 'seriously good kit,' IMHO. Hopefully pressure from the S10 has pushed them to examine and improve their QC process instead of just making products that make people say 'oooo, ahhhh, I want one' then suffer through malfunctions and high-priced repair/maintenance.
In relation to my reference to good kit, I'm being rather more inclusive as opposed to exclusive in that regard and therefore am not talking secular about BMW in those terms. Many manufacturers of motorcycles and electric ebikes (electrically propelled moto-ebikes and not the smaller capacity ebikes so common in Asia) are coming to the masses with all kinds of two wheelers, including many newly designed bikes, or upgrades to existing models released or coming to market (well most markets). Even a few reincarnations. ::008::
There's such an abundance and array of choices all over the varying market segments. Seems like us motorcyclists are being the opportunity to be somewhat self indulgent at this moment in time in relative to the issue of choice - if one is looking to buy or otherwise upgrade ones ride IMHO.

Reliability is all relative, and if you are referring to BMW, then I've had several and never had any issues other than one time, riding over the Haast Pass towards the west coast of the south island of NZ on my K1. Beautiful sunny day, no traffic (the usual for that part of the world), taking a nice fast right hander when the K1 lost all power. Nothing, zilch, zippo. Coasted to a stop, checked everything... no idiot lights on the dash. After a sequence of logical checks, I went to the main fuse box under the side cover. Well, bugger me there as plain as day was the cause of my several minutes of scratching the head, check this, check that moment. A monstrous dragonfly carcass of all things, lay fatally and mortally wounded (dead) against the side of the clear see-through plastic fuse box cover, which in itself was still intact. Following careful removal, and dignified disposal of said corpse, I removed the fuse box cover, removed and checked all fuses which were all none-the-worse for wear - all checked out ok. No fuses needied replacement, turned the ignition key and all the previous dead idiot lights, responded in their respondent colours much like a Christmas tree. At least it felt like Christmas to me at that very moment in such a moment of felt isolation, it's my story and I'm sticking to it. Hit the starter and the engine responded in kind. Hastily I reassembled the required pieces, donned my helmet, reattached my gloves and made haste to the wild west coast.

Reliable, you betcha! Never had a big-end, main wheel bearing, shaft drive failure, no ABS malfunction or such like. ABS has saved my arse on a couple of occasions and thankfully so. I'm a believer and a ABS convert. By the same token and in all fairness I've not had any major failures with any motorcycle I've owned in the past 34 years, even the couple Chinese made scoots. Hopefully that record remains.
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Disclosure: I still own that K1... amongst other rides. :-X
 

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I thought that since the bikes were so closely matched , except for the 5k price difference. That was a glowing review by itself imo...
 

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dcc46 said:
I thought that since the bikes were so closely matched , except for the 5k price difference. That was a glowing review by itself imo...
Or put another way:

If it was the BMW that was the "new arrival", you would be influenced to think it must be a remarkable bike to be compared so closely to the amazing Super Tenere you have parked in your garage. (Although it took that additional $5000.00 to get it there)
 

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I think they are that close and it does come down to owner preference,

Performance is similar,

Price depnds on region, in the UK a stock GS is cheaper at list price, but a shade dearer with TC etc. but lately Yamaha have discounted and it has swung in favour of the Tenere

Handling is probably close if you were to put same rider on the bikes with the same tyres and run it around a track (and I expect it would be the same on dirt tracks and street tracks), I prefer the faster steering of the GS and would have to modify the lazy Yamaha - but that's just me.

Suspension in similarly close, the Tenere rides bumps a shade better IMO, but I like the telelever function and lack of dive.

Luggage is better on the BMW, but there are so many third party offerings that it is of no consequence and I would rather buy exactly the kit I want from the hundreds of options out there.

Brakes seem pretty close, they both work well

Ergonomics and comfort are a personal thing, I like both dashes, the BMW integration of controls for computer and heated grips on the bars is a winner for me - but hardly a show stopper.

I think the Yamaha's electronic package is far better with the TC and ABS being far smoother.


If the BMW was a sturdy reliable bit of kit I would want another, and for me that is the reason I am looking for a new bike.
 

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GrahamD said:
Well since reviews seem to drift between BMW is better and S10 is better, I would say that it's not so far out of the ballpark to be sus.

Most of the S10 wins come from dirty riders, most of the GS wins come from "road riders" who fear the mighty S10. It turns their knees to jelly. Harrrrr!

But I think Motor Cycle USA made a fair call at the end. Figure out how dirty you are and go from there. I know people think that's a cop out but in the "in between lands" of Adventure bikes, I think it is a fair thing to do.
Motorcycle USA rated the Multistrada better in the dirt than the SuperTen. That made me very suspect of its review. The Multistrada developed rear brake problems, they had to ride two days to a Ducati dealer and it's "better" than a SuperTen?
 

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As a subscriber for over ten years, i too would have to say Rider has taken a middle of the fence approach as to choosing a winner for any kind of comparison. It's as if they would hurt someone's feelings. :D It does appear to me there are alot of European bike reports lately over the Japanese. Is this due to the lack-luster new model OEM's such as Honda have been blah-blah in bringing out??? I think so. Last year, Dec 2010 at the motorcycle show, it was amazing to see the people standing around talking about this Tenere. There was nothign at Honda that hadn't already been there for a few years for the most part. Well, anyway, this is maybe why we see what we see in the mags!!!
 

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I wouldnt have bought a super tenere if i wanted a gs....
 

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I came off a street only bike (07 VFR 800) and find the Tenere to be pretty darn good on the street in comparison. I like to watch the reviews but could really care less what they say. I'm the one riding it and I think it is an incredible machine, therefore I'm happy.
 

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Unfortunately, the ties and victories may be short lived (not that I really care) with the impending arrivals of the 1250GS and the Tiger Explorer. I just hope Yamaha keeps this bike in the line up and continues to one up the competition with their capability, low maintenance, and reliability.

Frankly, I am not certain more displacement will benefit anyone. I feel more benefits can be made focusing on weight, and balance, something the KTM 990 excels in (too bad it seems to be very high in the maintenance dept).
 

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In my mind, the reliability factory over time is what sets a bike apart. Most new bikes work fairly well during the the average riders use, 2-5K per year, and will be "reliable" for many years. But for riders who put on 20K or more a year, one would hope to get more than three trouble free seasons before major issues develop.

I had a V65 Sabre that I sold (wish I hadn't) with 200,000 miles with barely more than valve adjustments and oil changes done to it. The motor was still strong and didn't use any oil. I expect similar from the S10

The '03 R1150GSA went 58,000 miles before the first of 4 final drive failures during the next 40K. When the cam chain adjuster slide grenaded in Bryce Canyon this year, I new it was time to change. Granted 108K is a lot of miles, but for the cost of repairs and, more significantly, getting the bike to a dealer, over half of my Tenere would have been paid for.

From the sounds of things around hear, many others have had similar experiences.

I think a true comparo should be done with bikes with 80,000 miles, and compare cost of ownership over that timeframe, as well as performance.

Incidentally, I just received my invoice for full coverage insurance for the new Tenere. It's the same as I was paying for an 9 year old beemer... Another plus.

My 2 cents...
 
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