Aluminum raid toolbox for the Yamaha Super Tenere at ADV Motorrad!
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I ordered last night....didn't even look to see if they were in stock....no biggy as I don't even have the bike home yet....can't ride for 4 months anyway :'(
Hey Camel - I just took a look on the Metal Mule website and I think it would work, but there may be a crossbrace going to the pannier loop (similar to the SW Motech) that would limit how high you could raise the box. If you can take some pictures of the top, rear, and side of the rack, I'll connect with DS Bike and see he thinks. You can email the pics to sales AT advmotorrad DOT com.Camel said:
Thanks!
Jason
Thanks Offcamber! You're on the list to get one as soon as the Trax-specific toolboxes arrive!offcamber said:
Thanks rotaryracer, I will take some pics on the weekend, and send them to you. Ive been to you site and I have 2 more questions if you dont mind.
1. Im guessing you ship to Australia, as you use fedex, but just want to confirm if that is correct.
2. Iam also intrested in Pyramid Frame Infill Panel, could you tell me what material it is made from, and you opinion on which colour suits the bike better.
Thanks Jason
1. Im guessing you ship to Australia, as you use fedex, but just want to confirm if that is correct.
2. Iam also intrested in Pyramid Frame Infill Panel, could you tell me what material it is made from, and you opinion on which colour suits the bike better.
Thanks Jason
Hi Camel - no problem at all shipping to Australia...I send parts there all the time. Unless it's a heavy weight item, I'm typically shipping either USPS First Class International Parcel or Priority International, as they can be a bit more cost effective. The webstore will let you estimate shipping costs in the shopping cart before checking out and supports international destinations.
The Pyramid infill panels look GREAT and really help "finish" that particular area of the S10. On color, it's pretty much a preference thing but as your bike looks to be blue/silver based on your avatar, I might lean towards the silver. If you want the piece to disappear and not be noticeable, the matte black probably does that a bit better. I believe the piece is made of a heavy duty ABS plastic (it's got some weight to it and feels very durable), but I'll check with my Pyramid rep and get a definitive answer if you'd like.
Any other questions, please let me know.
Thanks!
Jason
The Pyramid infill panels look GREAT and really help "finish" that particular area of the S10. On color, it's pretty much a preference thing but as your bike looks to be blue/silver based on your avatar, I might lean towards the silver. If you want the piece to disappear and not be noticeable, the matte black probably does that a bit better. I believe the piece is made of a heavy duty ABS plastic (it's got some weight to it and feels very durable), but I'll check with my Pyramid rep and get a definitive answer if you'd like.
Any other questions, please let me know.
Thanks!
Jason
Thanks for the quick reply. No need to go to the trouble of finding out what material its made of for me, but I appreciate the offer. I will get one from you, and if it looks like the tool box will fit after I get you some photos, I will grab one of them off you to. Appreciate your help.
Got my box in the mail last night. Haven't even opened it as I have been in training and it was late but I hope to have some pics within the next couple days. Thanks Jason!!
OK, test fit complete with Touratech Zega Pro cases/racks.......
There's plenty of space and the case will be functional once in there but the supplied bracketry will not work in the as delivered fashion.
I'll work on what needs to happen and see about fabricating something once I have the time as well as get some photos of everything before, during, and after.
The front bracket appears to be fine for use but the rear will not as it will not align in such a way to account for the spacer offset of the racks in conjunction with access to the compartment with the rear cross bar, etc.
This appears to be a rather functional piece of kit once I sort the mounting needs/geometry/etc.
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There's plenty of space and the case will be functional once in there but the supplied bracketry will not work in the as delivered fashion.
I'll work on what needs to happen and see about fabricating something once I have the time as well as get some photos of everything before, during, and after.
The front bracket appears to be fine for use but the rear will not as it will not align in such a way to account for the spacer offset of the racks in conjunction with access to the compartment with the rear cross bar, etc.
This appears to be a rather functional piece of kit once I sort the mounting needs/geometry/etc.
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Hey Phil - thanks for the feedback. I'm disappointed it's not fitting up on your Touratech's as expected and want to make that right for you. If you have a minute to send some pictures of the rear bracket area and where it's not lining up, as well as (ideally) some measurements, I'll ask Sisco to get working on a revised rear bracket for the Touratech racks ASAP. Shoot me an email at sales AT advmotorrad DOT com to discuss options and make sure we get you taken care of.
Thank you!
Jason
Thank you!
Jason
Thanks for the amazing and prompt response.
I'm not too concerned that the brackets don't align. This is a new application and, with that, comes the need to collaborate on fitment with each different set up.
I'm on shift through tomorrow but will work over the next couple days to get some pics and data over to you on the bracket changes to make this work properly.
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I'm not too concerned that the brackets don't align. This is a new application and, with that, comes the need to collaborate on fitment with each different set up.
I'm on shift through tomorrow but will work over the next couple days to get some pics and data over to you on the bracket changes to make this work properly.
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Here is my setup with the Zega pro's. Tight fit but it works. I like this box except that the two side panels seem to be put together with some type of silicone. Not very neat but it might work. I'm concerned over the long run how it will hold up over time. Hope this helps.
Kevin
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I'm not willing to take the cross bar off and I don't want the angle it gives it with the stock bracket set up.
I will probably use the forward bracket as it comes only turned around. This will leave the rear bracket to be redesigned to fit with proper alignment., etc.
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I will probably use the forward bracket as it comes only turned around. This will leave the rear bracket to be redesigned to fit with proper alignment., etc.
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Well, I received my DS tool box yesterday, and am actually quite impressed with the construction and materials of the box itself. I was a bit dismayed to find some scratches in some areas all over the box... One particularly bad one clean across the door plate, and a another bad set up near the front mount where apparently the little bag of parts rattled around and allowed one of the stainless steel brackets to carve up the surface finish pretty good. Neither is really that big a deal to me as I'm always more concerned with function over form and I ride my bikes. I don't sit at home polishing them, looking for blemishes. I just thought I would pass it along so Jason could perhaps pass the info along to DS in Spain and they could perhaps pack the parts a bit better for future shipments.
I do have to say I have some genuine concern about the mounting brackets, especially over the long term. They are made from some nice, stout stainless steel, but the way the brackets were cut and bent sure look like they are a crack waiting to happen...
Take a look at these pics to see what I mean.
The entire weight of the box, and whatever contents one puts in it, have to be carried by these brackets, and though the the material itself is more than strong enough for the task where those cuts are made, and how close they come to the bolt slots, is just asking for a stress crack from the cut to the slot. It's not hard to see how once that happens that the whole box will then be hanging from a much thinner bit of material on the other side of the bolt slot, and I doubt that remaining section will be able to stand the load and vibration for very long.
I'm still pondering a really good solution for these brackets here that came the box... My first thought is simply a nice weld to fill in that cut will help immensely. Perhaps even weld in a gusset that had a tongue that fit into the slot and provided a triangular brace between the box mounting flat and the upright section that attaches to the bike. My only problem with getting the welding done is not knowing specifically what kind of stainless steel these brackets are. Anyway, until I figure something out to do with these brackets I don't think I'm gonna' mount the box up just yet.
On another note, if any of you guys here in the USA are planning to have some spare keys made know that you *might* run into a problem unless you check with a real key & lock shop. Whenever I get an accessory like this that has locks I always immediately go and get a couple of key copies cut, just in case. Fortunately one the best (and biggest) key & lock shops in the area is right down the street from me and I do a lot of business with 'em. Over the years I have not ever been able to totally stump them with weird keys from different parts of the world, but the keys to this DS Toolbox almost did...
In the end one of the great, experienced guys there, Kevin, found an ancient, old Yale key blank that had the same groove layout, but to first look it the blade of the key would be too short. He was able to cut the top and bottom of the blade back toward the fob so it matched the length of the original key, and *POOF*, he got the job done!
I'll try to get some pics of the new keys and the scratches later.
This all just FYI, Jason... But I sure would check with DS in Spain about those brackets. Maybe they can make a change in their design and production to avoid such a deep cut that leaves so little material between it and the bolt slot.
Thanks!
Dallara
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Well, I received my DS tool box yesterday, and am actually quite impressed with the construction and materials of the box itself. I was a bit dismayed to find some scratches in some areas all over the box... One particularly bad one clean across the door plate, and a another bad set up near the front mount where apparently the little bag of parts rattled around and allowed one of the stainless steel brackets to carve up the surface finish pretty good. Neither is really that big a deal to me as I'm always more concerned with function over form and I ride my bikes. I don't sit at home polishing them, looking for blemishes. I just thought I would pass it along so Jason could perhaps pass the info along to DS in Spain and they could perhaps pack the parts a bit better for future shipments.
I do have to say I have some genuine concern about the mounting brackets, especially over the long term. They are made from some nice, stout stainless steel, but the way the brackets were cut and bent sure look like they are a crack waiting to happen...
Take a look at these pics to see what I mean.
The entire weight of the box, and whatever contents one puts in it, have to be carried by these brackets, and though the the material itself is more than strong enough for the task where those cuts are made, and how close they come to the bolt slots, is just asking for a stress crack from the cut to the slot. It's not hard to see how once that happens that the whole box will then be hanging from a much thinner bit of material on the other side of the bolt slot, and I doubt that remaining section will be able to stand the load and vibration for very long.
I'm still pondering a really good solution for these brackets here that came the box... My first thought is simply a nice weld to fill in that cut will help immensely. Perhaps even weld in a gusset that had a tongue that fit into the slot and provided a triangular brace between the box mounting flat and the upright section that attaches to the bike. My only problem with getting the welding done is not knowing specifically what kind of stainless steel these brackets are. Anyway, until I figure something out to do with these brackets I don't think I'm gonna' mount the box up just yet.
On another note, if any of you guys here in the USA are planning to have some spare keys made know that you *might* run into a problem unless you check with a real key & lock shop. Whenever I get an accessory like this that has locks I always immediately go and get a couple of key copies cut, just in case. Fortunately one the best (and biggest) key & lock shops in the area is right down the street from me and I do a lot of business with 'em. Over the years I have not ever been able to totally stump them with weird keys from different parts of the world, but the keys to this DS Toolbox almost did...
In the end one of the great, experienced guys there, Kevin, found an ancient, old Yale key blank that had the same groove layout, but to first look it the blade of the key would be too short. He was able to cut the top and bottom of the blade back toward the fob so it matched the length of the original key, and *POOF*, he got the job done!
I'll try to get some pics of the new keys and the scratches later.
This all just FYI, Jason... But I sure would check with DS in Spain about those brackets. Maybe they can make a change in their design and production to avoid such a deep cut that leaves so little material between it and the bolt slot.
Thanks!
Dallara
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Same concerns here Dallara. I have plans to add a third bracket to the bottom as I am concerned about swinging and cracking of the box/brackets.
Mine was scratched also but not to the extent as yours.
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Mine was scratched also but not to the extent as yours.
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Hey guys - thanks very much for all the feedback. I'm in contact with Sisco now, as I do want to make sure he can incorporate your suggestions into running changes, as well as be able to provide update kits if required to get you to "Version 2.0".
Just some quick items, in no particular order....
On the box sides adhesive construction....this is the same build process as the BMW GS Adventure toolboxes that have been in production for some time. We haven't had any issues with waterproofness or spontaneous deconstruction on any of the boxes out in the field, including those that have been through some pretty gnarly rides.
On the brackets...I appreciate all the pictures and info, and am funneling all of it to DSBP to be able to retool as needed. For those considering TIG'ing the L-bend and/or adding gussets, I'll ask Sisco for the type of stainless used on the brackets. I'll also pass along the suggestions on beefing up the bracketry around the bend and mount areas to reduce any possible issues.
Scratches...crap, that's no good. The boxes are handmade and since they're raw aluminum that's not powdercoated, anodized, etc., I have seen some "character" in the finish of the GS boxes. That said, if you feel they exceed the "ADV character quotient", I'll be happy to see if I can find a better one to swap you for, or take it back and give you a full refund. I've also provided feedback to DSBP on better securing the mounting hardware to prevent things from moving around in shipment.
As always, please feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions or want to discuss further....I'll be pretty much online most of the weekend, and available by phone till about 9PM EDT at (585) 310-ADVM.
Thanks!
Jason
Just some quick items, in no particular order....
On the box sides adhesive construction....this is the same build process as the BMW GS Adventure toolboxes that have been in production for some time. We haven't had any issues with waterproofness or spontaneous deconstruction on any of the boxes out in the field, including those that have been through some pretty gnarly rides.
On the brackets...I appreciate all the pictures and info, and am funneling all of it to DSBP to be able to retool as needed. For those considering TIG'ing the L-bend and/or adding gussets, I'll ask Sisco for the type of stainless used on the brackets. I'll also pass along the suggestions on beefing up the bracketry around the bend and mount areas to reduce any possible issues.
Scratches...crap, that's no good. The boxes are handmade and since they're raw aluminum that's not powdercoated, anodized, etc., I have seen some "character" in the finish of the GS boxes. That said, if you feel they exceed the "ADV character quotient", I'll be happy to see if I can find a better one to swap you for, or take it back and give you a full refund. I've also provided feedback to DSBP on better securing the mounting hardware to prevent things from moving around in shipment.
As always, please feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions or want to discuss further....I'll be pretty much online most of the weekend, and available by phone till about 9PM EDT at (585) 310-ADVM.
Thanks!
Jason
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Thank you, Jason...
For watching this thread so close and replying so quickly. It's also great that you are so open and amiable in listening to possible concerns, and so ready to address them. Says a ton about the quality of your customer service! ::008::
As I said previously, the scratches are not a big deal to me. I ride and use my Super Tenere so most likely the toolbox will get scuffed and scratched quite a bit in its lifetime with me. I only wanted to pass along what happened in this case so DS could do exactly what you suggest - perhaps pack the brackets and bolts a bit better. What looks like happened to mine is that one of the brackets poked a hole in the little zip-lock baggie, and despite the baggie being taped pretty securely to the bubble-wrap around the toolbox itself this bracket then poked its way through the bubble-wrap and commenced to using its sharp corner as an etching tool near the front mounting holes on the box. I'll try and get some pictures and post 'em so you can forward them to the folks in Spain.
I ride with my Yamaha side cases on the bike literally 95% or more of the time, so no one will probably ever see these scratches on my toolbox anyway, so don't worry about it, Jason. I love the 'box, and I don't to send it back nor get any kind of refund. I just wanna' get it mounted up and start ridin' with it so I get some "field testing" done for ya'! ::001::
As for the box itself, I think those Spaniards did a terrific job with the materials, construction, and sealing of the box. I even actually *like* how the white silicone sealant around the side panels looks almost like a "pinstripe"... Kind of *sets off* the panel. And I've tried twisting and torquing the toolbox a bit, and it seems very rigid and structurally stout. I don't see any problems with those panels or the overall strength of the unit. I even like the door and how it works, and I thought that was going to be the part I have some concerns about. All that said, I do have some minor concern about the blind nuts in the top - that the bracket mounting bolts go into - and their long term durability. Over the decades I have seen lots of blind nuts like these shake loose, pop through, and stuff like that. These look like high-quality pieces, though, and they are in thicker material than I'm used to for such an application, so they'll probably be fine.
My real concern is for the brackets. So much so that I'm just not sure I want to mount it up until I think I have at least a temporary solution. Honestly, I hate to say it, but this is not how I would have done a bracket like this, but then I'm not in the alloy motorcycle accessory and luggage business, and I don't have to operate under the production constraints, supplier chain, cost controls, etc. they do in order to produce these and market them competitively in the marketplace. I will be very interested to see what the folks in Spain have to say about the brackets, and to see what they come with if they make a change in them. If they do come up with a "Version 2.0" of 'em please jsut let us know how to get 'em.
Thanks again, Jason, for your courtesy and candor. It's great to have vendors like you helping us out here on the forum! ::008::
Dallara
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Thank you, Jason...
For watching this thread so close and replying so quickly. It's also great that you are so open and amiable in listening to possible concerns, and so ready to address them. Says a ton about the quality of your customer service! ::008::
As I said previously, the scratches are not a big deal to me. I ride and use my Super Tenere so most likely the toolbox will get scuffed and scratched quite a bit in its lifetime with me. I only wanted to pass along what happened in this case so DS could do exactly what you suggest - perhaps pack the brackets and bolts a bit better. What looks like happened to mine is that one of the brackets poked a hole in the little zip-lock baggie, and despite the baggie being taped pretty securely to the bubble-wrap around the toolbox itself this bracket then poked its way through the bubble-wrap and commenced to using its sharp corner as an etching tool near the front mounting holes on the box. I'll try and get some pictures and post 'em so you can forward them to the folks in Spain.
I ride with my Yamaha side cases on the bike literally 95% or more of the time, so no one will probably ever see these scratches on my toolbox anyway, so don't worry about it, Jason. I love the 'box, and I don't to send it back nor get any kind of refund. I just wanna' get it mounted up and start ridin' with it so I get some "field testing" done for ya'! ::001::
As for the box itself, I think those Spaniards did a terrific job with the materials, construction, and sealing of the box. I even actually *like* how the white silicone sealant around the side panels looks almost like a "pinstripe"... Kind of *sets off* the panel. And I've tried twisting and torquing the toolbox a bit, and it seems very rigid and structurally stout. I don't see any problems with those panels or the overall strength of the unit. I even like the door and how it works, and I thought that was going to be the part I have some concerns about. All that said, I do have some minor concern about the blind nuts in the top - that the bracket mounting bolts go into - and their long term durability. Over the decades I have seen lots of blind nuts like these shake loose, pop through, and stuff like that. These look like high-quality pieces, though, and they are in thicker material than I'm used to for such an application, so they'll probably be fine.
My real concern is for the brackets. So much so that I'm just not sure I want to mount it up until I think I have at least a temporary solution. Honestly, I hate to say it, but this is not how I would have done a bracket like this, but then I'm not in the alloy motorcycle accessory and luggage business, and I don't have to operate under the production constraints, supplier chain, cost controls, etc. they do in order to produce these and market them competitively in the marketplace. I will be very interested to see what the folks in Spain have to say about the brackets, and to see what they come with if they make a change in them. If they do come up with a "Version 2.0" of 'em please jsut let us know how to get 'em.
Thanks again, Jason, for your courtesy and candor. It's great to have vendors like you helping us out here on the forum! ::008::
Dallara
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Pictures of scratches and spare key, as promised...
These first three shots are of the scratch on the toolbox door. Due to the "brushed" finish on the door it as kind of difficult to photograph, but I think you can see it clearly enough.
Again, no big deal, and not a bother to me, but I thought you might want to know about it, Jason.
These next three shots are of the scratches on top of the box, near the front mount holes. These are the ones caused by the errant bracket that managed to poke a hole through its baggie and the toolbox's bubble-wrap.
Once again, on my bike nobody will ever see these so they don't matter to me. OTOH, they might drive somebody else nuts and cause you to have to replace/exchange one with a customer, Jason, so I thought you'd like a heads-up. Simply separating the hardware/component baggie from the main toolbox, or better isolating it, during packaging and shipping should do the trick and avoid scratches like these on future shipments.
These last three shots are of one of the spare keys I got cut and how it compares to one of the two originals supplied with the toolbox. Note that the original is the upper one in both photographs and the spare cut here is the lower of the two.
If you look closely in the third pic you can see where they had to cut the *shoulder* of the key blade back a pretty good ways for it to go deep enough into the lock. Mind you, the key & lock shop I go to is no little kiosk outfit. It is a professional lock, key, and safe shop with literally *THOUSANDS* of different key blanks, and it took one of the best guys there quite a few minutes to find an adaptable blank. No problem for good locksmith or key cutter to handle, but I thought you guys might like an FYI on it. It might even be worth it, Jason, for you to order a few key blanks from the Spaniards for these locks just in case one of your customers was having a hard time finding blanks in his area.
Hope this helps!
Dallara
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Pictures of scratches and spare key, as promised...
These first three shots are of the scratch on the toolbox door. Due to the "brushed" finish on the door it as kind of difficult to photograph, but I think you can see it clearly enough.
Again, no big deal, and not a bother to me, but I thought you might want to know about it, Jason.
These next three shots are of the scratches on top of the box, near the front mount holes. These are the ones caused by the errant bracket that managed to poke a hole through its baggie and the toolbox's bubble-wrap.
Once again, on my bike nobody will ever see these so they don't matter to me. OTOH, they might drive somebody else nuts and cause you to have to replace/exchange one with a customer, Jason, so I thought you'd like a heads-up. Simply separating the hardware/component baggie from the main toolbox, or better isolating it, during packaging and shipping should do the trick and avoid scratches like these on future shipments.
These last three shots are of one of the spare keys I got cut and how it compares to one of the two originals supplied with the toolbox. Note that the original is the upper one in both photographs and the spare cut here is the lower of the two.
If you look closely in the third pic you can see where they had to cut the *shoulder* of the key blade back a pretty good ways for it to go deep enough into the lock. Mind you, the key & lock shop I go to is no little kiosk outfit. It is a professional lock, key, and safe shop with literally *THOUSANDS* of different key blanks, and it took one of the best guys there quite a few minutes to find an adaptable blank. No problem for good locksmith or key cutter to handle, but I thought you guys might like an FYI on it. It might even be worth it, Jason, for you to order a few key blanks from the Spaniards for these locks just in case one of your customers was having a hard time finding blanks in his area.
Hope this helps!
Dallara
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My tool box arrived today in the mail. No damage or scratches. The mounting brackets are the same as Dalara observed. Seems plenty sturdy enough for what it will carry.
Thanks for bringing these in.
Doug
Thanks for bringing these in.
Doug