Aerostich AD-1 vs Darien pants

hambonee

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Sooo...really need a pair of overpants to speed up and make the commute a bit easier.

Looking at the Darien vs AD-1

Does anyone have any recommendations between the two? Do both or either fit easily over Sidi adventure boots?

Anyways, any input on fit, waterproofness, crash protection etc would be appreciated. :)
 

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I've had both the Darien and AD-1. I preferred the AD-1, but both overpants had a serious flaw at the times I bought them - there isn't much of a gusset behind the zipper. Not sure if gusset is the right word, but if you spend any length of time in real rain or a down pour, the zipper will leak. First you'll get a wet lap, and as the water continues coming in, you will be totally soaked. During Hurricane Irene so much water came in that my boots were filling up from the water wicking down my jeans. I ended up using Cabela's Guide Gear pants as a top layer to stay dry. The convenience of the Darien suit for commuting is nearly unbeatable - and sometimes I still use it for that, or as a back up suit when my wife wants to ride with me on a short trip. However, taking a change of clothes with you on a wet commute day kind of negates the convenience factor. Getting soaked through is totally brutal in the late fall/winter/early spring - especially on a longer trip.

Both the Darien and AD-1 fit fine over Gaerne Balanced oiled boots. I've been fortunate never to test the crash protection. I think it would certainly be better than nothing, but given how much the knee pads move around, and the lack of hip pads, I doubt it would be a really good result. I know there are tons of posts where people have survived horrendous crashes with their Darien, but I believe that there is better gear that provides better protection for the same money out there.

The other aspect of the AD-1s that I was very dissatisfied with were the snaps at the hem at the bottom the legs, and the glue for the knee pads. The first hem snap failed after a month of commuting. The second failed shortly thereafter. The glue strip holding the right knee pad failed after 3 months.

Finally, the knee pads are very stiff at first when it is cold out. If you plan on doing a lot of cold weather commuting, this can be somewhat annoying - same holds true for the Darien jacket. After a bit of riding, or after the heat from your electrics has worked its way through, the pads are fine.

I ride every day, year round, and am only off the bike if my driveway is too icy for me to get out, or if it is snowing when I leave home. I got my first Darien suit in March 2000, and have found that for my level of use, they last for about 3 years before being ready for a total rebuild. The zippers, Velcro, snaps, and glue strips all fail, and because you are in constant contact with the goretex inner layer, the suit will start leaking in other spots aside from the zippers.

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Chris
 

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I have had the Darien pants for almost three years now and use them with Sidi All Road boots. They fit very well with the boots. I have found them to be comfortable after the first weeks of stiffness is worked out. Soon enough, they bend easily and fit well. I have found them waterproof through heavy rain while riding both the Super Tenere and also the Honda VFR 800. As noted , the pads are stiff, especially in the cold. I haven't tried the AD-1 pants but am very happy with the Darien pants and also Darien jacket. Previously I had two sets of First Gear pants and jackets and the Dariens have been more comfortable, more durable, and much better in the rain.
 

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I have had the regular Darien pants and liked them and now have the AD 1 and like the design features of them even better. The waterproof pocket above the left knee is the perfect place for my wallet, as it makes it very easy to access at gas stops. I like the velcro closures on the front pockets as that prevents the contents from spilling out on the floor if you hang them over a chair during your overnight stays, for instance. The fit seems to be a more "tailored" look that I appreciate. I have ridden in some heavy rain with the AD1's and a new Darien Light jacket and stayed perfectly dry. I don't ride nearly as much as Chris, but at about 15,000-20,000 miles per year, they have worked very well for me.

Today I did order replacement low temperature pads from Aerostich, though, as now that cold temps are creeping in, I noticed the initial stiffness that others have mentioned.

Mine came with a Aerostich money belt as a no cost extra and I plan to contact them to say that I believe a normal belt would be better for me. The money belt has a hidden zipper in back (where you can hide money) but the normal movement of a belt against the fabric at the back of the pants every time you cinch it up results in that zipper rubbing the pants fabric in that area and damaging the fabric.
 

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the lack of hip pads,--Hip pads are available as an option on darien pants.They Velcro to existing pads on pants.Just started wearing the pants so no other input at this time.Jim
 

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I have both Dariens and AD-1s. I have Alpinestars Scout ADV boots, and both fit very easily over my boots. I tend to wear the AD-1s more, just because I like the fit better. The AD-1s fit more like jeans, and the Dariens more like cargo pants. Aerostich gear is very well constructed and comfortable. I have worn this gear in some pretty heavy rain and remained dry. Touch wood - I have not "crash tested" it. ::013::

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I have the AD1 pants but not Dariens. Can't compare them but will give my AD1 review.

Nothing is perfect, but I think I'll get my money's worth out of these. Have had them for about 8 months. Used for commuting as an overpant and touring as a top layer.

My pant size is 32" waist, 34" inseam. After the consulting the Aerostitch sizing tool, I got the AD1s in 34 Long. They fit well over slacks with a belt and are loose, as expected, with only a thin base layer. You can't have it both ways with one pant. I wear the AD1s with suspenders and the included money belt. The money belt is a goofy idea, but the belt itself and the buckle are decent. I haven't noticed abnormal wear from the belt zipper but can see how that could happen.

One of the things I like about the AD1 is the minimal use of Velcro. I get that hook and loop provides a great shortcut in fastener design and construction, but my general disdain for it runs high. The hook side is often ruinous and the pulling pressure when unfastening it eventually breaks the glue or stitching used to locate it. At least in this regard, AD1s are better than most competitors but suffers velcro failing nonetheless. More on this later.

Main reasons for buying: 1. quality reputation, 2. heavy fabric, 3. high water resistance (Goretex), 4. design features (belt loops, pockets arrangement), minimal velcro

Given my south-westerly location, I don't get much rain action. I can put up with stopping to don a rain jacket, but having to take my boots off and on to don rain pants irks me. In the few rain showers I've encountered, mild to heavy but short duration, the pants and material live up to their water-proof claim. If anyone can find an apparels limitations, it's Sail2xxs. These pants will meet my less-demanding needs.

Highlights:
Pockets! Decent, useful pockets. The fit is good for me. Full leg zipper, won't buy pants without that feature. The leg zips can work from both top and bottom, so you can fashion some ventilation. They've been surprisingly comfortable in hot weather, though I switch to my Olympia Airglide pants for very hot weather. Suspenders make for a sharp dressed man :)

Lowlights:
Velcro - Specifically the knee pad pouches. The pouches are a thin, nylon material that gets pulled down from the top of the pouch by gravity and knee flexing, both of which are unavoidable. This pulling down action exposes the hook side Velcro, which wore a hole through my base layer pant and rubbed my skin raw. I've fiddled with it a few different ways but have yet to find a solution. I'll probably end up sacrificing an elastic knee band to protect my base layer. Seems counterproductive to give up the pads. I have a few wear spots on the inside from exposed Velcro on my commuting boots. Damned Velcro! At least those spots won't cause a leakage problem.

Optional:
Thigh map pocket - I bought this because it seemed like a neat idea and I'm a sucker for gadgets. The implementation is stupid. It mounts over the left thigh pocket, which has a horizontal flap, thus rendering the pocket inaccessible unless you rip the map pouch off. Why didn't they put the map pouch over the right pocket with the vertical zipper, then you could have both at the same time.
Hip Pads - I bought some MSR D3O generic hip pads that stick to the provided loop-side fastener in the pants. These work perfectly. Maybe I should try to replace the knee pads in a similar fashion?

Overall I'm happy with these pants. They require some break-in, but in my book, that's a good thing.

Boondocker
 

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Thanks for the input all!

So at this point it seems their biggest downfall to me is how the armor is attached. Wish they would do a pop up again near Seattle so I could try both but this was a lot of help ::008::
 

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hambonee said:
Thanks for the input all!

So at this point it seems their biggest downfall to me is how the armor is attached. Wish they would do a pop up again near Seattle so I could try both but this was a lot of help ::008::
I haven't had the problem mentioned with the knee pouches moving exposing the velcro teeth. The velcro strips allow a lot of adjustment up and down and as long as I take care to center the pads on those strips, the teeth on the pad pouches do not contact the inner pant. As mentioned, the pads are a bit stiff in cooler weather, so I recently ordered the low temp pads and that should help. I guess I have been lucky, but in over 50,000 miles with the AD1's on 2 different S10's the knee pads have stayed in place for me. Having said all that, I just inspected my AD1's and the vertical velcro strips that hols the knee pads in place are coming free from the inner leg and I will need to get those strips repaired.
 
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