ADV shootout

[Buckeye56]

MotorcycleUSA in in the midst of a multi-day test of ADV bikes. Th e5 bikes involved areucati Multistrada Touring, KTM 990 Adventure Dakar, BMW R1200GS, Yamaha Super Tenere & Triumph Tiger 800 XC.

Check it out at: http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/17/Motorcycles/Touring.aspx

I added this to the reviews DB as well.

 

[ptfjjj]

MotorcycleUSA in in the midst of a multi-day test of ADV bikes. Th e5 bikes involved areucati Multistrada Touring, KTM 990 Adventure Dakar, BMW R1200GS, Yamaha Super Tenere & Triumph Tiger 800 XC.

Check it out at: http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/17/Motorcycles/Touring.aspx

I added this to the reviews DB as well.

I wonder if they'll think to turn the traction control off when in the dirt?

 

[Mellow]

LOL.. Let's see, the Japanese bike 'does nothing particularly well and is heavy'... here we go again... I'm used to this since my other bike is an ST1300.. LOL

One year, the winner will be the looser the following year or visa versa...

I appreciate posting this as it's something to look at but I already bought mine so the outcome doesn't matter and I'd rather read ride reports here.

Gee... I need to start the day with a little less coffee.

 

[simmons1]

Just read day 3. The Sexy Italian Super Model is already experiencing mechanical issues.

 

[kgfire]

I think the loser in this shootout will be the Multistrada ... not to bag on the Italian Stallion but it is an exotic sportbike.
Still ... 636 LBS. fully loaded for the Super Ten??? That's right up there with my Concours.

 

[Maybert]

I'd take anything written by people who chose to ride death valley in August with a grain of salt.

 

[S10Dano]

I'd take anything written by people who chose to ride death valley in August with a grain of salt.

Ditto On that !!!! LMAO .. Personally I could give a rat's ass what a bunch of journalist think of my bike.. It's what each owner thinks that counts !! For me. My S10 is nearly perfect !!

 

[GrahamD]

It's not that bad yet.

The Yamaha Super Tenere is a solid platform. It's impressing us with its stability and smooth running, but it somehow managed to vibrate the bolts out of its right switchgear. We saved one and it's holding together, but maybe Yammie's Twin is a bit more vibey than we thought?

and then there is 75% percent of the page devoted to the MTS falling to bits. Going to be a classic this one with all that character

Seriously though, The MTS was more about all roads for Europe, which translated means, Tarmac, Mountain passes, patched tarmac, cobble stones and a few smooth country lanes thrown in. The fact that it has electrical issues (classic Italian) and bit's falling off (light frame) and the brake problem (known problem) shouldn't have surprised them if they spent a bit of time in Multi threads.

Cheers
Graham

 

[switchback]

So someone forgot to tighten a couple of the bolts so it must be vibey?

 

[switchback]

I think the loser in this shootout will be the Multistrada ... not to bag on the Italian Stallion but it is an exotic sportbike.
Still ... 636 LBS. fully loaded for the Super Ten??? That's right up there with my Concours.

Don't forget that they measured them fully fueled and that the S10 has a capacity close to a GS adventure.

 

[GrahamD]

I think the loser in this shootout will be the Multistrada ... not to bag on the Italian Stallion but it is an exotic sportbike.
Still ... 636 LBS. fully loaded for the Super Ten??? That's right up there with my Concours.

The S10 is about line ball with a GSA with the same amount of fuel. They have been measured side by side before within 10 minutes of each other on the same scales.

This is about 20kg (44lbs) heavier than that. I assume that is all kitted up. The weight without panniers is 268Kg. (590lbs full WET)

Cheers
Graham

 

[jajpko]

In my opinion, it is not how much the old girl weighs, but how she carries the weight. This bike feels so much lighter and that is what matters. ::002:: imho

 

[GrahamD]

In my opinion, it is not how much the old girl weighs, but how she carries the weight. This bike feels so much lighter and that is what matters. ::002:: imho

Exactly, It's only when the bike breaks down (It's Japanese so don't worry about that too much) OR you forget that it is a big ass bike and get it stuck on an MX track that the dead weight is a problem. For long distance Tourers I would much prefer tough then weak if it means a bit more weight.

This is a bike designed to carry heavy loads and two up (BMW rider rescue ::025: in rough places.

That was the design brief after all.

 

[Brntrt]

This is an Adventure Tourer emphasis on the touring part. When I'm cruising down the interstate @ 90 mph I for one am thankfull for the extra weight, incredible balance and low COG on the S10. Off road the extra weight is not a problem as long as you keep the momentum up. Off road it's power up and hold on, then the great suspension takes over. I've hit ruts that would have sent most dual sports flying, the S10 just soaks it up and keeps going. ::018::

 

[3putt]

Just read day 3. The Sexy Italian Super Model is already experiencing mechanical issues.

Don't even go there, mine is in the shop as we type, warranty repairs. ::002::

I weighed both the Multi and ST, ST was 541 with 1 gallon, no crashbars or skidplate. Full tank would add about 30 lbs more, so 570ish. Multi was like 512 full of fuel and nothing on it.

 

[markjenn]

Don't forget that they measured them fully fueled and that the S10 has a capacity close to a GS adventure.

Ah, no. A standard GS (like is in the comparison) is 5.3 gal, the S10 is 6.0, and the GSA is 8.7. Assuming the test is weighing fully-fueled bikes, the weight penalty of the 0.7 extra gallons the S10 is carrying is about 5-lbs which puts the GS's weight advantage at 67-lb rather than 72-lb, hardly significant.

I would like to see if the S10 is carrying extra accessories, guards, skid plates, etc. that the GS might not be. Previous weight analysis put the GS's advantage, similarly equipped, at about 35-40 lbs and I wonder where this extra 35-lb delta is coming from. This test is giving data that indicates the weight disadvantage of the S10 is twice what it used to be - this isn't a deal breaker, but its not good either and I don't think it can be completely rationalized away by saying the S10 "carries its weight better."

- Mark

 

[kgfire]

All things being equal a lighter bike is going to handle better and go faster ... that being said I think Yamaha built this bike with an emphasis on durability. Most ADV riders load up their bikes with huge cases, crash bars, skid plates, extra lights, etc., so if a bike starts out heavy it only gets heavier after all the additions. I think the S10 is a heavy bike but when you add up the cost of ownership, the ease of maintenance, and the durabilty factor the ST loses a lot of those lbs. pretty quickly!
My bold prediction by the end of the Motorcycles USA test is " The Yamaha is a solid performer and does everything well. " In other words, just like Yamaha designed it.

 

[switchback]

I would like to see if the S10 is carrying extra accessories, guards, skid plates, etc. that the GS might not be. Previous weight analysis put the GS's advantage, similarly equipped, at about 35-40 lbs and I wonder where this extra 35-lb delta is coming from. This test is giving data that indicates the weight disadvantage of the S10 is twice what it used to be - this isn't a deal breaker, but its not good either and I don't think it can be completely rationalized away by saying the S10 "carries its weight better."

- Mark

Not saying that the difference of a gallon (or whatever the measurement difference is) makes all the difference. Differences in accessories and WTF knows what other details were missed when weighing. Considering the many other weight measurements in the many other tests that all were pretty close in measurements, and the variation in accessory brands, designs... I am not worried.

Now if they weighed them all with 5 gallons of gas and a set of Micatechs I would be believe the result.

 

[jaquima]

WTF cares?

I am enjoying the bike. I am enjoying the comfort of reliability. I am enjoying riding something different than the standard BMW or Harley. I am enjoying paying less than the previously mentioned bikes. And, I really enjoy pointing out the achievement of Nick Sanders......unlike the two Hollywood pu@#ys who did the "Long Way Around" with BMWs and a support team, Nick did it with only a Super Tenere........

If the bike is "too heavy", then leave your purse at home.

That is all.

 

[kgfire]

I am enjoying the bike. I am enjoying the comfort of reliability. I am enjoying riding something different than the standard BMW or Harley. I am enjoying paying less than the previously mentioned bikes. And, I really enjoy pointing out the achievement of Nick Sanders......unlike the two Hollywood pu@#ys who did the "Long Way Around" with BMWs and a support team, Nick did it with only a Super Tenere........

If the bike is "too heavy", then leave your purse at home.


Um ...it's actually a satchel. MAKE-UP! How am I to work under these conditions! Would someone puh-leese change the tire on my bike and fer chrissake get me a latte!